Thrall, Elemental Master combines your Fire, Frost, and Nature spells into one school, making it so that every spell school synergy Shaman has works for all of their spells with those spell school. This is especially powerful with Wrathspine Enchanter and Radiance of Azshara, but the no duplicates rule should prevent an OTK deck from functioning. Overall, I think it might push the power envelope so maybe I should make it a battlecry affecting just the hand instead? Let me know if it seems too good.
I think this is fine, but what about "Start of Game: If your deck has no duplicates, your Fire, Frost, and Nature spells gain all three schools." I think that might be better wording; the "your" is important to avoid confusion with your opponent, and "become one spell school" could imply they're now all Fire, or all Frost, which isn't what you wanted. If you do change it to a Battlecry, you'll need to say "this game" at the end. Probably more balanced as a Battlecry.
Overall I like it more than the Valeera...not that there's anything wrong with her, but mixing the Shaman's spell schools creates really cool deck-building ideas whereas Valeera is just more of the same Thief package.
@Linkblade91: Thanks for the feedback! Based on it, I'm planning to change the wording to "Battlecry: If your deck has no duplicates, give all spells in it the fire, frost, and nature schools" so that it fits without shrinking text (I also changed it to give spells without a school those schools, for wording reasons and because it gives it some compensatory power for being a Battlecry and thus making it far less consistent). Do you think that'd work?
@Demonxz95: Why not make Jaina Dual-Class? It would fit her lore and be a cool connection between Knights of the Frozen Throne and March of the Lich King! It even makes me imagine a set of Dual-class Death Knights for every original Hero which would have been really fun in this expansion.
@BloodMeFist: Garrosh seems really cool to me, it serves as a Handbuff/Taunt payoff and feels like a balanced version of Soulstealer at a Baseline! I'd go with him as it, you could try to increase the health if you think handbuff would be weak but I think it's good as is. Gul'Dan feels more boring to me as an All-in Highroll kind of card, so I'd go for Garrosh.
@Anchorm4n: I agree that "no duplicates" might be a bit boring, but your second condition feels very similar to The Demon Seed, what if you did something weird like "no duplicate non-Demons," "All your Spells are Fel," "no Lifesteal cards," or "you've discarded 4 Demons"?
anchorm4nThe Cake Is A Lie 17802051 PostsJoined 03/13/2019
Posted 3 months, 3 weeks ago
More feedback, as promised.
CursedParrot
Contrary to linkblade, I actually prefer Valeera. I don't really like changing spell schools and minion tribes because I imagine it being hard to implement into the game and potentially confusing for players. That said, Valeera looks like a really fun addition to the Thief archetype. Easy 4 stars from me!
Demonxz95
The new Jaina looks very cool on its own, I'd love to play with it. The card would need a dedicated set to come out with though, because it doesn't fit the usual Mage flavor very well imo. You can always go with a custom expansion of course, but in this case I'd probably suggest to go alternate timeline: What if KotFT's legendary Hero cards would have been minions instead? CursedParrot aso has made a good point with their dual-class suggestion, I think I'd like that as well. All in all, I can't even tell which card I prefer. Thrall is the more conservative approach and has received positive feedback. Jaina is more creative which has a lot of merit on its own. For me personally, both are 5 stars contenders.
BlooMefist
Garrosh is a potential winner card in my books. Very well done!
AeroJulwin
I second what the others have said. Solid card!
Dolphinslayer
I'm with linkblade here: The third version is my favorite, but you should adjust the stats.
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Changed the wind blessing to be about weapon attacks and the near Shaman exclusive keyword, Windfury (seems so obvious now lol). Also added a condition to Thrall's battlecry. By playing a card of each type (which are all equally important to Shaman's identity) you show you mastered them all and can get a power boon.
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CursedParrot - I really like the Thrall more. Valera's effect could be problematic if it bounces too many times. Could have a randomly generated hand each turn almost.
Demonxz95 - Honestly it's kinda weak. Remembrance of Ice exists and is technically better, as you get another copy instead of Jaina's 6/6 vanilla body. of course mage has more reliable freezes than DK, but the inconsistency of having her in her hand is the biggest drawback.
anchorm4n - The no Duplicate one i like more because i'm a sucker for Highlander. And the 10 damage taken condition is very very easy to fulfill. Each step on the Questline asks you for 8.
BloodMefist - Garrosh' idea seems the better one to me. The fact it has taunt matters more for handbuffs than for the taunt itself. Still it would be nice if he had a way to increase his own Attack somehow.
AeroJulwin - The inheriting version is the best and as a priest main i'd love for this to be real, but please don't make it 6 mana. that's way too expensive. 4 or 5 would be much better. The issue with these sort of decks is that either you have too many spells and few minions to buff or too many minions and don't draw spells in time.
Dolphinslayer - Water Elementals and Arcane spells just don't mix thematically. Also that one has too many words to fit in the box nicely. The mass freeze version seems better. I don't like the random damage nuke version because we already have too many of those in game (2 c'thuns, daddy Denathrius, and now Astalor. It's just a huge game ender you have to do little for it to be OP. Mage can spam elementals all day.
Neoguli - Uther is better. Perfect flavor, the 3/3 theme fits, effect is good but not game winning alone. Anduin doesn't really work i feel because the merge between priest and warrior is… well, a paladin. Warrior of Light, which is technically what he becomes.
Wailor - There is definetly too many water elemental Jainas lol. The Rexxar one i like more cause it's the only Rexxar so far. And the effect is quite good but also self limiting. After 3 spells, any more fizzle out, don't trigger him anymore. Not sure how to word it to not let that happen.
I decided to go with Rexxar bc there's already too many Jainas, so here's two versions that try to correct the issue of not doing anything after three spells:
I prefer the flavor of the second one, as it portrays better the fact the Companions are Rexxar's beloved friends. However, it's too wordy (Animal Companion is too long for a keyword lol), so I think I'll go with the first one.
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BloodMefist
I prefer Garrosh hands down. His effect is really cool and interesting; and also fits the character a lot.
Gul'dan's effect is also interesting (although not so much), but the main issue I have with it is how wordy it is, which makes the card look unappealing at first glance.
Demonxz95
The new Jaina is cool, but I still prefer Thrall.
anchorm4n
I like the damage version, as a Demon Highlander deck might be a bit too restrictive.
CursedParrot
Both cards are solid, but I'd say I prefer Valeera, as she seems more fun.
Thrall's effect is a bit too abstract for my taste, if that makes any sense, but he's also cool. If you end up going with him, I like the alternate wording linkblade suggested the best, as it's also affects generated spells (unlike the second wording you suggested later)
BasilAnguis
You polished your previous card a great deal. Well done! My only issue now is that the words "minion", "weapon" and "spell" should be written in lowercase. This affects both Thrall himself and Windlord's Blessing.
Dolphinslayer
I think the new machine gun Jaina is my favorite among your cards, but I don't play Hearthstone, so I don't have PTSD from Sire Denathrius. The freeze all enemies version might be a safer bet, considering this (although she should probably cost 9, considering she powercreeps Deep Freeze a lot).
Defying my initial expectations, most people seem to like my second version of Anduin. I think I'll submit it as a 5-cost. I'd like it to still be somewhat of a dedication to play. Might still change my mind later and go with 4.
I'm a little late with feedback, so for those who haven't submitted yet:
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Demon
Warchief Trall makes a lot of sense for a card representing a hero and it will probably do well, but I personally like Icelich Jaina's more creative effect better. She gives me Frostmourne vibes and would be a nice non-aggro addition to Frost DK. It definitely needs to be a DK card, so I think CursedParrot's Dual-class suggestion works well.
Wailor
Admiral Jaina should probably focus more on a single effect. Beastmaster Rexxar is solid. Focusing on Animal Companions works well. From the new ones, I like the second one the best. Maybe make it a 6-cost. And otherwise I prefer the original over the other version. Three Animal Companions at a time is already decently powerful and I like the consistency better.
anchorm4n
Is Valeera returning herself to your hand intentional? Seems potentially broken.
As far as conditions on Gul'dan go, I like "If the minions in your deck are all Demons" best.
BasilAnguis
Immediately went for the four tokens, ey? Cool card, although I think Windlord's Blessing is still kind of weak compared to infinite Murlocs or free summons/damage. I'd at least remove the Overload. I also think it's a shame that the mention of the Elemental Lords in the Battlecry doesn't fit anymore. Elemental Blessing is slightly generic…
Neoguli
I think I like Anduin's effect better. I don't know much Lore, but I honestly don't think the effect itself warrants Dual-class. And I agree with Demon's point. (I'm fine with Warrior, but I don't trust Priest and their copying/resummoning shenanigans.) How about "Battlecry: Give adjacent minions Immune for as long as this is alive." Otherwise Uther is a solid alternative.
Dolphinslayer
The third version seems best. Mage does tend to summon elementals instead of playing them, but that would potentially make it deal a lot more damage, so I think you should keep it like this. As others mentioned, some more attack would probably be a good addition to its Freezing effect.
BloodMefist
I know you've already submitted, but Warlord Garrosh is probably my favorite card here. It's exactly what you'd want from a Legendary for Handbuff Taunt Warrior.
anchorm4nThe Cake Is A Lie 17802051 PostsJoined 03/13/2019
Posted 3 months, 3 weeks ago
I'm stupid and submitted my card in a hurry, so I forgot to point out how the art compliments the effect: The hand on the left side channels green (Fel) magic to fuel the skull spell that emerges from the other hand. I thought I'd at least post this here so people can take this into consideration when voting.
All in all I'm super happy about the final outcome, thanks to everybody who encouraged me to drop the highlander condition for something more interesting. This was a fun and educating experience.
Some final feedback:
BasilAnguis
Now I like your card even more :) Windlord's Blessing misses a period at the end of its text.
Wailor
I actually prefer the first version, I generally tend to value more simple approaches over the complicated effects. The power level might be a concern here since you could potentially roll 5 Huffers on turn 10… I could live with that though. If anything a small Cost raise to 6 would probably take care of that. Hunter isn't exactly stacked with useful 1 Mana spells either and you might have to play some of them before Rexxar comes down.
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Posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago
Congrats to BloodMefist and above all: all the best wishes for you, linkblade. I fear I can only echo what Wailor has said and send positive thoughts, but please let me know if there's anything we can do to support you. Sending a hug as well, if you want one.
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I think this is fine, but what about "Start of Game: If your deck has no duplicates, your Fire, Frost, and Nature spells gain all three schools." I think that might be better wording; the "your" is important to avoid confusion with your opponent, and "become one spell school" could imply they're now all Fire, or all Frost, which isn't what you wanted. If you do change it to a Battlecry, you'll need to say "this game" at the end. Probably more balanced as a Battlecry.
Overall I like it more than the Valeera...not that there's anything wrong with her, but mixing the Shaman's spell schools creates really cool deck-building ideas whereas Valeera is just more of the same Thief package.
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@Linkblade91: Thanks for the feedback! Based on it, I'm planning to change the wording to "Battlecry: If your deck has no duplicates, give all spells in it the fire, frost, and nature schools" so that it fits without shrinking text (I also changed it to give spells without a school those schools, for wording reasons and because it gives it some compensatory power for being a Battlecry and thus making it far less consistent). Do you think that'd work?
@Demonxz95: Why not make Jaina Dual-Class? It would fit her lore and be a cool connection between Knights of the Frozen Throne and March of the Lich King! It even makes me imagine a set of Dual-class Death Knights for every original Hero which would have been really fun in this expansion.
@BloodMeFist: Garrosh seems really cool to me, it serves as a Handbuff/Taunt payoff and feels like a balanced version of Soulstealer at a Baseline! I'd go with him as it, you could try to increase the health if you think handbuff would be weak but I think it's good as is. Gul'Dan feels more boring to me as an All-in Highroll kind of card, so I'd go for Garrosh.
@Anchorm4n: I agree that "no duplicates" might be a bit boring, but your second condition feels very similar to The Demon Seed, what if you did something weird like "no duplicate non-Demons," "All your Spells are Fel," "no Lifesteal cards," or "you've discarded 4 Demons"?
More feedback, as promised.
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Changed the wind blessing to be about weapon attacks and the near Shaman exclusive keyword, Windfury (seems so obvious now lol). Also added a condition to Thrall's battlecry. By playing a card of each type (which are all equally important to Shaman's identity) you show you mastered them all and can get a power boon.
Feedback:
CursedParrot - I really like the Thrall more. Valera's effect could be problematic if it bounces too many times. Could have a randomly generated hand each turn almost.
Demonxz95 - Honestly it's kinda weak. Remembrance of Ice exists and is technically better, as you get another copy instead of Jaina's 6/6 vanilla body. of course mage has more reliable freezes than DK, but the inconsistency of having her in her hand is the biggest drawback.
anchorm4n - The no Duplicate one i like more because i'm a sucker for Highlander. And the 10 damage taken condition is very very easy to fulfill. Each step on the Questline asks you for 8.
BloodMefist - Garrosh' idea seems the better one to me. The fact it has taunt matters more for handbuffs than for the taunt itself. Still it would be nice if he had a way to increase his own Attack somehow.
AeroJulwin - The inheriting version is the best and as a priest main i'd love for this to be real, but please don't make it 6 mana. that's way too expensive. 4 or 5 would be much better. The issue with these sort of decks is that either you have too many spells and few minions to buff or too many minions and don't draw spells in time.
Dolphinslayer - Water Elementals and Arcane spells just don't mix thematically. Also that one has too many words to fit in the box nicely. The mass freeze version seems better. I don't like the random damage nuke version because we already have too many of those in game (2 c'thuns, daddy Denathrius, and now Astalor. It's just a huge game ender you have to do little for it to be OP. Mage can spam elementals all day.
Neoguli - Uther is better. Perfect flavor, the 3/3 theme fits, effect is good but not game winning alone. Anduin doesn't really work i feel because the merge between priest and warrior is… well, a paladin. Warrior of Light, which is technically what he becomes.
Wailor - There is definetly too many water elemental Jainas lol. The Rexxar one i like more cause it's the only Rexxar so far. And the effect is quite good but also self limiting. After 3 spells, any more fizzle out, don't trigger him anymore. Not sure how to word it to not let that happen.
I'll boop you
I decided to go with Rexxar bc there's already too many Jainas, so here's two versions that try to correct the issue of not doing anything after three spells:
I prefer the flavor of the second one, as it portrays better the fact the Companions are Rexxar's beloved friends. However, it's too wordy (Animal Companion is too long for a keyword lol), so I think I'll go with the first one.
Feedback:
Gul'dan's effect is also interesting (although not so much), but the main issue I have with it is how wordy it is, which makes the card look unappealing at first glance.
Thrall's effect is a bit too abstract for my taste, if that makes any sense, but he's also cool. If you end up going with him, I like the alternate wording linkblade suggested the best, as it's also affects generated spells (unlike the second wording you suggested later)
Defying my initial expectations, most people seem to like my second version of Anduin. I think I'll submit it as a 5-cost. I'd like it to still be somewhat of a dedication to play. Might still change my mind later and go with 4.
I'm a little late with feedback, so for those who haven't submitted yet:
As far as conditions on Gul'dan go, I like "If the minions in your deck are all Demons" best.
I'm stupid and submitted my card in a hurry, so I forgot to point out how the art compliments the effect: The hand on the left side channels green (Fel) magic to fuel the skull spell that emerges from the other hand. I thought I'd at least post this here so people can take this into consideration when voting.
All in all I'm super happy about the final outcome, thanks to everybody who encouraged me to drop the highlander condition for something more interesting. This was a fun and educating experience.
Some final feedback:
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At this point, you just have slightly over 24 hours to submit.
Good luck to everyone in the voting!
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Good luck to our finalists!
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Good luck to the finalists. Sigh.
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No Jainas in the finals :0
Congratulations to BloodMefist!
Finalist confirmation/the Transparency Report came late because I was at the hospital. Apologies for that.
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Oof... Are you alright, linkblade
In a word, no. Not to be mysterious or dramatic but I don't want to get into it right now :/ The important thing is that I'm not dead yet lol
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I hope the last part is a hyperbole...
In any case, your health takes precedence over anything else, so don't feel obligated to keep running these comps.
Congrats to BloodMefist and above all: all the best wishes for you, linkblade. I fear I can only echo what Wailor has said and send positive thoughts, but please let me know if there's anything we can do to support you. Sending a hug as well, if you want one.
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