Vanessa VanCleef at last? Or maybe its Eudora from RoS adventure. Also, what happened to the supposed mage skin, Celeste, or something like that.
Judging historically, it might be a hearthstone only character, something a little light hearted.
I frequent hearthpwn every now and then too, its like going through a zoo exhibit. I have no idea there were others here that share my secret hobby.
I usually go there when I look at a news post on here and think "what would be the absolute worst take you could have on this"...and Hearthpwn usually delivers.
True enough. Arguments here can get heated every now and then but its nowhere near the level of offensive screeching that can be found there.
I'd prefer it to be a WoW character like Garona Halforcen, or obviously Vanessa Vancleef, and not an original character. But it's glad to know they are up to something, Rogue is the only class with no alternate portraits so far other than Maiev and the 1000-win.
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I'm going to analyse it way more than it is really worth doing, but hey, everyone is stuck at home and has time to kill these days. I also write this fully aware that the entire assumption of this thread might be wrong.
So I gave the purpose of hero skins some more thought and decided what we want is diversity across each of:
Race: Warcraft has plenty of cool races to use, and Hearthstone pushes them to the limit (e.g. how much was done with kobolds), but is only slowly creeping in the unorthodox races for heroes.
Currently rogue has a blood elf (Valeera) and a night elf (Maiev), so no more elves please!
Specialisation: some heroes fit some archetypes perfectly while others feel out of place commanding some decks (e.g. piloting a void-y, shadow priest with Madame Lazul or baby Anduin respectively).
The rogue class encompasses a wide range of roles from ninjas to pirates, petty criminals to secret agents, and thieves to assassins. It is probably much wider than any other class, so it doesn't help the fantasy that the 2 existing heroes are both sneaky lawful characters. At least Cap'n Valeera provides a pirate for those who have 1000 wins with the class.
Personality: everyone likes some heroes more than others (except OG Lord Jaraxxus; everyone likes him the best) and the emotes play a large part in that. I personally hate Garrosh's arrogance, so am glad to have Magni's friendliness to replace him.
Currently rogue has the silky smooth Valeera and the coarse Maiev, but both are reasonably courteous and well composed so there's plenty of room to explore here.
With them in mind, I'll split the existing rogue legendaries along each line, ultimately deciding who would be best by who does well in all categories. Note I don't consider how prominent they are in Warcraft lore because we all know that has little to do with it.
Split by race
There's a few humans in Edwin, Sonya and Tess, and I doubt there's much appetite for more human heroes. Hooktusk being a troll wouldn't be super novel, but I wouldn't say trolls have been overused either.
More interesting are the undead/forsaken (Lilian Voss, Myra Rotspring and Anka), kobolds (Togwaggle, Tak and Flik), broken/draenai (Akama and Hanar), goblin (Gallywix), pandaren (Aya Blackpaw), sha (Shaku) and mantid (Xaril).
There's also a few far-from humanoid legendaries (Anub'arak, Gral, Waxadred, Sherazin and Face Collector), which I'd love but doubt would happen.
Split by specialisation
We probably don't want any more sneaky rogues, so that's Tess, Voss, Akama and Sonya out. The spec.s of a few others are difficult to pin down (e.g. what do you call Sherazin), which isn't necessarily a bad thing but it would be good to actively cover known rogue roles since there's so many that still need filling. For this reason I guess Hooktusk is of the list too since technically we already have a pirate (though it is a lot of work for most players).
A notable trait is greed, seen in Gallywix, Togwaggle, Waxadred, and Shaku.
An overlapping group is that of criminal bosses (or similar), with Gallywix, Togwaggle, Aya and Edwin.
The other interesting pair are the poison/toxin makers: Xaril and Myra.
Split by personalities
I'll only mention those I actually know the personalities of and that would be sufficiently different to Valeera and Maiev to be interesting here.
The easy one: Togwaggle. Through his commentary of Dungeon Run, appearances throughout the Year of the Dragon and his glorious movie trailer (absolute perfection) he is easily one of Hearthstone's most prominent and goofy characters. Certainly a change from the more elegant and eloquent Valeera.
We know less about Hooktusk, but we do already have her in the game as a hero in Rumble Run and a trio Tavern Brawls, so we know her emotes and they are the perfect mix of confident, brash and cheeky that would serve the class well.
Aya Backpaw could be interesting as a younger, less restrained alternative. Her being the boss of a criminal organisation would no doubt lend itself to some unique emotes too.
Gallywix could also use some thug boss emotes. Also, it is about time there was a goblin hero to properly convey the side of the race about greed instead of inventions, and no one embodies that more than Gallywix does.
From Boom Labs we know Myra has taken her undeath to heart, and of course has an unhealthy obsession with poisons and death all-round (fitting for a deathrattle class).
Anub'arak and Akama both have grudges with their masters, having seen them desecrate their homes. I know they had large(ish) roles in WC3 and WoW, so I'm sure there's plenty to work from for their personalities. There is a similar amount to work from for Xaril too I believe, though I don't know it very deeply.
Conclusion
There's plenty of good choices, though a couple of the 'safe bets' (namely Togwaggle and Hooktusk) would probably have happened already if they were planned to. Of those remaining who ticked all my boxes I would bet most on Gallywix but frankly I'd be happy to have anyone representing a different aspect of the class than a sneaky elf does.
Upvoted for thorough lore analysis, GoliathTheDwarf would be proud. Gallywix would be cool, as I really want a goblin for some snarky emotes. And naturally when the timer goes down, it has to be "Time is money, friend!"
Now technically he isn't a Rogue card. But I would love to see Marin the Fox. (Part of me also wants Patches the Pirate but what are the odds of that happening?)
Take my words with a grain of salt. I'm unranked and only play casuals lmao.
Now technically he isn't a Rogue card. But I would love to see Marin the Fox. (Part of me also wants Patches the Pirate but what are the odds of that happening?)
Marin honestly doesn't even sound unlikely. Assuming they tie him into some new expansion thematically
(Part of me also wants Patches the Pirate but what are the odds of that happening?)
Patches actually seems like a perfect card to bring back in some form. He's a random neutral Legendary that became infamous for being absolutely overpowered, sort of like Dr. Boom.
I mean, I'd like Patches to come back in a full Pirate-themed expansion, maybe as the Demon Hunter or Warlock representative, but I'd settle for a Rogue skin.
A man is lying on the street, some punks chopped off his head
My guess is her but honestly I would prefer a male Rogue portait this time around even though I'm huge fan of female portraits. Rogue is missing some equality if we come to that spot. :)
And Warrior needs a female portrait also. :)
Edit: Oh i've missed the sibling part. We will get another Windrunner then ?
True enough. Arguments here can get heated every now and then but its nowhere near the level of offensive screeching that can be found there.
I'd prefer it to be a WoW character like Garona Halforcen, or obviously Vanessa Vancleef, and not an original character. But it's glad to know they are up to something, Rogue is the only class with no alternate portraits so far other than Maiev and the 1000-win.
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I'm going to analyse it way more than it is really worth doing, but hey, everyone is stuck at home and has time to kill these days. I also write this fully aware that the entire assumption of this thread might be wrong.
So I gave the purpose of hero skins some more thought and decided what we want is diversity across each of:
With them in mind, I'll split the existing rogue legendaries along each line, ultimately deciding who would be best by who does well in all categories. Note I don't consider how prominent they are in Warcraft lore because we all know that has little to do with it.
Split by race
There's a few humans in Edwin, Sonya and Tess, and I doubt there's much appetite for more human heroes. Hooktusk being a troll wouldn't be super novel, but I wouldn't say trolls have been overused either.
More interesting are the undead/forsaken (Lilian Voss, Myra Rotspring and Anka), kobolds (Togwaggle, Tak and Flik), broken/draenai (Akama and Hanar), goblin (Gallywix), pandaren (Aya Blackpaw), sha (Shaku) and mantid (Xaril).
There's also a few far-from humanoid legendaries (Anub'arak, Gral, Waxadred, Sherazin and Face Collector), which I'd love but doubt would happen.
Split by specialisation
We probably don't want any more sneaky rogues, so that's Tess, Voss, Akama and Sonya out. The spec.s of a few others are difficult to pin down (e.g. what do you call Sherazin), which isn't necessarily a bad thing but it would be good to actively cover known rogue roles since there's so many that still need filling. For this reason I guess Hooktusk is of the list too since technically we already have a pirate (though it is a lot of work for most players).
A notable trait is greed, seen in Gallywix, Togwaggle, Waxadred, and Shaku.
An overlapping group is that of criminal bosses (or similar), with Gallywix, Togwaggle, Aya and Edwin.
The other interesting pair are the poison/toxin makers: Xaril and Myra.
Split by personalities
I'll only mention those I actually know the personalities of and that would be sufficiently different to Valeera and Maiev to be interesting here.
The easy one: Togwaggle. Through his commentary of Dungeon Run, appearances throughout the Year of the Dragon and his glorious movie trailer (absolute perfection) he is easily one of Hearthstone's most prominent and goofy characters. Certainly a change from the more elegant and eloquent Valeera.
We know less about Hooktusk, but we do already have her in the game as a hero in Rumble Run and a trio Tavern Brawls, so we know her emotes and they are the perfect mix of confident, brash and cheeky that would serve the class well.
Aya Backpaw could be interesting as a younger, less restrained alternative. Her being the boss of a criminal organisation would no doubt lend itself to some unique emotes too.
Gallywix could also use some thug boss emotes. Also, it is about time there was a goblin hero to properly convey the side of the race about greed instead of inventions, and no one embodies that more than Gallywix does.
From Boom Labs we know Myra has taken her undeath to heart, and of course has an unhealthy obsession with poisons and death all-round (fitting for a deathrattle class).
Anub'arak and Akama both have grudges with their masters, having seen them desecrate their homes. I know they had large(ish) roles in WC3 and WoW, so I'm sure there's plenty to work from for their personalities. There is a similar amount to work from for Xaril too I believe, though I don't know it very deeply.
Conclusion
There's plenty of good choices, though a couple of the 'safe bets' (namely Togwaggle and Hooktusk) would probably have happened already if they were planned to. Of those remaining who ticked all my boxes I would bet most on Gallywix but frankly I'd be happy to have anyone representing a different aspect of the class than a sneaky elf does.
Upvoted for thorough lore analysis, GoliathTheDwarf would be proud. Gallywix would be cool, as I really want a goblin for some snarky emotes. And naturally when the timer goes down, it has to be "Time is money, friend!"
OH HELL YEAH I'D SHILL MONEY FOR GALLYWIX!
They wouldn't even need to do that much work for him, he already has a unique hero portrait from the Dalaran Heist/Battlegrounds with emotes.
But as long as we're speculating I'd like Shaku the Collector, Rogues have so much burgle and had the stealth package pushed in outlands
Garona Halforcen
...is what they should do...
It's probably going to be Edwin though after they send him to the HoF.
so if EDWIN gets HOF who'll replace him as the classic legendary?
my money would be on Vanessa, seeing how that was her original purpose as well
I tried having fun once.
It was awful.
Now technically he isn't a Rogue card. But I would love to see Marin the Fox. (Part of me also wants Patches the Pirate but what are the odds of that happening?)
Take my words with a grain of salt. I'm unranked and only play casuals lmao.
Marin honestly doesn't even sound unlikely. Assuming they tie him into some new expansion thematically
I tried having fun once.
It was awful.
All signs point to Face Collector. Seriously though, Tess Greymane or Trade Prince Gallywix would be awesome.
Patches actually seems like a perfect card to bring back in some form. He's a random neutral Legendary that became infamous for being absolutely overpowered, sort of like Dr. Boom.
I mean, I'd like Patches to come back in a full Pirate-themed expansion, maybe as the Demon Hunter or Warlock representative, but I'd settle for a Rogue skin.
A man is lying on the street, some punks chopped off his head
I'm the only one who stops to see if he's dead.
Hmm. Turns out he's dead.
I wouldn't hate Marin.
If only to hear him say "En Guard" whenever he attacks the enemy heroes
Who would he banter with, though? All the alt heroes need to have someone to banter with
He'd flirt with all the chicks. He seems like the saucy type, at least that's what I gathered from like the 2 comics and minor stuff in-game
Self proclaimed good at battlegrounds
Vanessa VanCleef
My guess is her but honestly I would prefer a male Rogue portait this time around even though I'm huge fan of female portraits. Rogue is missing some equality if we come to that spot. :)
And Warrior needs a female portrait also. :)
Edit: Oh i've missed the sibling part. We will get another Windrunner then ?
Sylvanas Windrunner
Alleria Windrunner
Vereesa Windrunner
They are only siblings I can think of.
I really hope it's not Garona.
Bobby Koti... I mean Gallywix would be interesting.
Tess would be great!