In what ways do you think that LoR is based on swing plays? The only example of that I can think of is “They Who Endure” and maybe “Swain/Leviathan.” I do agree that in general there are relatively few removal options compared to the number of threats, but I think that makes gameplay interesting because your power cards don’t get removed the turn they are played. I’d love to hear your thought process because that problem wasn’t even really on my radar.
perhaps my juddgement is still based on outdated information, but when I played it for a while when it first came out I got into these situations of "my opponent plays a snowballing a threat and I have an answer. They have a counter to that answer. I can never get rid of that threat and will therefore lose. What was I even supposed to do there?" way too often.
Even just simple things like a Garen or a Greenglade Duo. The problem I have with LoR is how easy it is to protect your own stuff vs killing your opponent's stuff. It's what made me return to Hearthstone afterwards, because in Hearthstone there used to be this unspoken rule of "there's always an answer to everything (usually)". Now that's basically gone from HS as well.
Maybe things have changed since I left, but looking at all that Targon stuff I just don't think so. I just don't like playing a game where I rely on one or two cards to answer certain threats, but said cards are easily countered by 3 more cards in my opponent's deck. It also doesn't help tht the nexus total is only 20 so coming back when behind just isn't as likely...not to mention that card draw is sparse in most decks so digging for answers is rarely an option.
In what ways do you think that LoR is based on swing plays? The only example of that I can think of is “They Who Endure” and maybe “Swain/Leviathan.” I do agree that in general there are relatively few removal options compared to the number of threats, but I think that makes gameplay interesting because your power cards don’t get removed the turn they are played. I’d love to hear your thought process because that problem wasn’t even really on my radar.
perhaps my juddgement is still based on outdated information, but when I played it for a while when it first came out I got into these situations of "my opponent plays a snowballing a threat and I have an answer. They have a counter to that answer. I can never get rid of that threat and will therefore lose. What was I even supposed to do there?" way too often.
Even just simple things like a Garen or a Greenglade Duo. The problem I have with LoR is how easy it is to protect your own stuff vs killing your opponent's stuff. It's what made me return to Hearthstone afterwards, because in Hearthstone there used to be this unspoken rule of "there's always an answer to everything (usually)". Now that's basically gone from HS as well.
Maybe things have changed since I left, but looking at all that Targon stuff I just don't think so. I just don't like playing a game where I rely on one or two cards to answer certain threats, but said cards are easily countered by 3 more cards in my opponent's deck. It also doesn't help tht the nexus total is only 20 so coming back when behind just isn't as likely...not to mention that card draw is sparse in most decks so digging for answers is rarely an option.
I'd say your judgement is outdated. There are plenty of tools to kill stuff on the board and help you progress to the late game (if that's your plan). In Runeterra it doesn't come down to spells only. You can challenge, force blocks, stun and so on.
@OT I quit Hearthstone before the release of this expansion and haven't looked back since. My biggest thing about Hearthstone is that you either have to play a lot or spent a lot of money to have a big collection. And buying e.g. 50 packs for way too much money can end up giving you absolutely nothing of value for your collection.
To me Runeterra is much more fair, and while I have spent a bit of money to start my collection, it has not been nescessary for me to buy anything to have a almost full collection after the new expansion was released.
You post on every thread on this forum. You're not quitting hearthstone xD. Man it's is just a game, enjoy playing a couple of games in your free time and don't take it so seriously.
I for one will miss your contributions to the forums and your awesome decks/guides and comments. Take care and good luck! Hope we'll see you back before too long :).
Thanks for the response! I assume that you probably stopped playing during one of the elusives metas before Rising Tides, because since then they have introduced a lot more card draw and removals. On card draw, Bilgewater and Targon both have a considerable amount of it, and more card draw was added to Ionia, PnZ, Freljord, and Shadow Isles (if you include the new cards that tutor specific champions that also includes Noxus). At this point, Glimpse Beyond is a fair and balanced card, that’s how much more card draw there is. In terms of removal, Noxus now has a deal 3 spell, Freljord has the Vulnerable keyword to take out units, Bilgewater also has Vulnerable, and Targon can generate removals with Invoke cards.
Thanks for the response! I assume that you probably stopped playing during one of the elusives metas before Rising Tides, because since then they have introduced a lot more card draw and removals. On card draw, Bilgewater and Targon both have a considerable amount of it, and more card draw was added to Ionia, PnZ, Freljord, and Shadow Isles (if you include the new cards that tutor specific champions that also includes Noxus). At this point, Glimpse Beyond is a fair and balanced card, that’s how much more card draw there is. In terms of removal, Noxus now has a deal 3 spell, Freljord has the Vulnerable keyword to take out units, Bilgewater also has Vulnerable, and Targon can generate removals with Invoke cards.
that actually sounds much better. Maybe I'll give LoR another go at some point, but right now I'm just burnt out on card games in general
Yeah, definitely take your time and see if you feel better off not playing a card game. And maybe keep tabs on some tier lists to see if non-frustrating decks are tier on
Best wishes to you. I think it was a good call to leave your collection as is that way if you do decide to come back and play it will be there. That being said, I too have grown tolerant of the game that I once loved. I have been playing some Starcraft II but my life situation doesn't really allow for much more than Hearthstone. The game has become more of a habit than a joy. I try to realize that Hearthstone is just a game and doesn't really provide much escape from the horrors of 2020. I hate this year. This year has become "my private nightmare." Well, YourPrivateNightmare, I wish you the best.
I will miss your tag line: I tried having fun once. It was awful.
The above comment assumes a Hearthstone Wild perspective.
OP, you'll be back after the next set of changes or expansion because it'll seem that the meta will be different. And you need to see for yourself if anything changed.
So stop kidding yourself - you won't quit HS forever. The game has been like you describe it since they introduced the idea of "standard" (with a few changes here and there when control decks were successful).
Imagine gaslighting someone because they don't want to play a shitty card game anymore.
Imagine being someone that has played this game for a loooooong time, they were an active member of the community, avid deckmaker and theorycrafter, excited for expansions when they were released, and suddenly the game does not interest you anymore, and you know that it just hasn't gotten stale, the game itself isn't interesting to play at all. So you decide to leave, you choose to freely abandon all the time and money and effort spent on this game. And what do you get? Entitled pieces of shit that say your decision that you spent a lot of time making, means nothing because you used to love the game and were an avid community member, and that you'll be back. Completely invalidating your decision.
Best wishes to you. I think it was a good call to leave your collection as is that way if you do decide to come back and play it will be there. That being said, I too have grown tolerant of the game that I once loved. I have been playing some Starcraft II but my life situation doesn't really allow for much more than Hearthstone. The game has become more of a habit than a joy. I try to realize that Hearthstone is just a game and doesn't really provide much escape from the horrors of 2020. I hate this year. This year has become "my private nightmare." Well, YourPrivateNightmare, I wish you the best.
I will miss your tag line: I tried having fun once. It was awful.
This. I'll miss you and it's a real blow to this site and the community to lose both you and Xarkkal in short succession. Take care of yourself. Maybe we'll meet again one day.
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If there's anything I love more than seeing someone give, in OldenGolden's words, a "Sermon on the Mount", is someone else giving another "Sermon on the Mount" on the first person's "Sermon on the Mount", whilst completely unaware that pointing out sermons in a forum also necessarily requires giving a sermon themselves.
Get ready for sermonception as I prepare a lengthy response to your mini-sermon!
Honestly, I'm surprised you've lasted this long. I quit playing HS with any seriousness months ago. And it's been at least 3 months since I even logged in (well, except once, literally just get the freebie legendary with the new set).
I do disagree about Legends of Runeterra. I think it has a massive amount of variety, and plenty of ways to interact with what the opponent is doing (aka "answers").
Lastly, if you want to try a completely different card game that is none of the above nor Magic, I'd suggest Eternal.
If after all those text walls, someone is still reading, congrats, you reached another faceless guy that thinks his opinion matters. But since I haven’t read anything similar, here is my take and my past experience:
Nightmare is obviously very involved in the game, as many of us are. It gets to the point that HS takes a lot of space in once life, sometimes more than it should (talking about my past self now). It’s not only gametime, it’s deck analysis, forums, streams, videos, ...
It can have all the characters of a toxic relationship. There are aspects that you love, awesome memories and simply routine but something is allways wrong. You quickly spend to much time with the game, doing things you don’t enjoy, simply because it’s what you’re doing for years.
I have forced myself to quit in the past but eventually came back as well. But I gradually distanced myself from the game (a full time job certainly helped). Emotionally that is. I don’t rush in to see the next Brawl at release time anymore. I dont care that much about my arena Scores anymore. I stopped watching videos on a regular basis. And most of all: I spend at least once or twice a week days without opening the game at all.
What I’m trying to say with this: Take it easy man. Don’t make forced emotional decisions. If you don’t enjoy putting the time and effort in as you are used to, simply don’t. But nothing stops you to hop in once in a while to see what’s up. In my experience, playing less makes the time that you play more entertaining.
Oh and finally: I know this is hella controversial, even more in your current situation... but spending some money on the game takes away the urge to grind. And that has been very beneficial for my game experience!
Whatever you may chose to do, you are always welcome here! The innkeeper will save you a chair :) Farewell
Hearthstone is obviously getting pale due to lacks of new mode. I can picture someone getting brain burned like I did, playing constructed over and over with nothing much changed over the course of 4 months. EDIT. Did they really think that a new expansion hype will last for the entire 4 months period? Because I don't. 2 months and it's getting boring already.
I haven't got the slightest idea why the Blizzard won't make a simple mode where players can make their custom plays and rules (skirmish mode maybe?), and in doing so, prevent a burned out feels of playing the same mode over and over again. (or any other modes except BG which is not everyones playstyle).
And yes I did it with multiple deck, but unfortunately, I feel the same way as you did. The only thing prevent me from quitting the game is that I invested a lot of time to get to where I am right now, and to avoid losing it all, I just do daily quest every 1 or 2 days and play another game. If I can gather 100-120 golds /day in the past, It's only 60-70 golds /day, and it's already a miracle to get to 80 golds.
perhaps my juddgement is still based on outdated information, but when I played it for a while when it first came out I got into these situations of "my opponent plays a snowballing a threat and I have an answer. They have a counter to that answer. I can never get rid of that threat and will therefore lose. What was I even supposed to do there?" way too often.
Even just simple things like a Garen or a Greenglade Duo. The problem I have with LoR is how easy it is to protect your own stuff vs killing your opponent's stuff. It's what made me return to Hearthstone afterwards, because in Hearthstone there used to be this unspoken rule of "there's always an answer to everything (usually)". Now that's basically gone from HS as well.
Maybe things have changed since I left, but looking at all that Targon stuff I just don't think so. I just don't like playing a game where I rely on one or two cards to answer certain threats, but said cards are easily countered by 3 more cards in my opponent's deck. It also doesn't help tht the nexus total is only 20 so coming back when behind just isn't as likely...not to mention that card draw is sparse in most decks so digging for answers is rarely an option.
I tried having fun once.
It was awful.
I'd say your judgement is outdated. There are plenty of tools to kill stuff on the board and help you progress to the late game (if that's your plan). In Runeterra it doesn't come down to spells only. You can challenge, force blocks, stun and so on.
@OT
I quit Hearthstone before the release of this expansion and haven't looked back since. My biggest thing about Hearthstone is that you either have to play a lot or spent a lot of money to have a big collection. And buying e.g. 50 packs for way too much money can end up giving you absolutely nothing of value for your collection.
To me Runeterra is much more fair, and while I have spent a bit of money to start my collection, it has not been nescessary for me to buy anything to have a almost full collection after the new expansion was released.
Bye, see you next expansion.
You post on every thread on this forum. You're not quitting hearthstone xD. Man it's is just a game, enjoy playing a couple of games in your free time and don't take it so seriously.
I for one will miss your contributions to the forums and your awesome decks/guides and comments. Take care and good luck! Hope we'll see you back before too long :).
@YourPrivateNightmare
Thanks for the response! I assume that you probably stopped playing during one of the elusives metas before Rising Tides, because since then they have introduced a lot more card draw and removals. On card draw, Bilgewater and Targon both have a considerable amount of it, and more card draw was added to Ionia, PnZ, Freljord, and Shadow Isles (if you include the new cards that tutor specific champions that also includes Noxus). At this point, Glimpse Beyond is a fair and balanced card, that’s how much more card draw there is. In terms of removal, Noxus now has a deal 3 spell, Freljord has the Vulnerable keyword to take out units, Bilgewater also has Vulnerable, and Targon can generate removals with Invoke cards.
that actually sounds much better. Maybe I'll give LoR another go at some point, but right now I'm just burnt out on card games in general
I tried having fun once.
It was awful.
Yeah, definitely take your time and see if you feel better off not playing a card game. And maybe keep tabs on some tier lists to see if non-frustrating decks are tier on
Try magic if u have the money. Otherwise i strongly recommend chess. Im serious.
You’ll be back. Hearthstone is like herpes: it’s forever.
The Only Constructed Deck Worth Playing:
https://outof.cards/hearthstone/decks/43506-the-only-constructed-deck-worth-playing
Good bye YourPrivateNightmare,
Best wishes to you. I think it was a good call to leave your collection as is that way if you do decide to come back and play it will be there. That being said, I too have grown tolerant of the game that I once loved. I have been playing some Starcraft II but my life situation doesn't really allow for much more than Hearthstone. The game has become more of a habit than a joy. I try to realize that Hearthstone is just a game and doesn't really provide much escape from the horrors of 2020. I hate this year. This year has become "my private nightmare." Well, YourPrivateNightmare, I wish you the best.
I will miss your tag line: I tried having fun once. It was awful.
The above comment assumes a Hearthstone Wild perspective.
OP, you'll be back after the next set of changes or expansion because it'll seem that the meta will be different. And you need to see for yourself if anything changed.
So stop kidding yourself - you won't quit HS forever. The game has been like you describe it since they introduced the idea of "standard" (with a few changes here and there when control decks were successful).
Imagine gaslighting someone because they don't want to play a shitty card game anymore.
Imagine being someone that has played this game for a loooooong time, they were an active member of the community, avid deckmaker and theorycrafter, excited for expansions when they were released, and suddenly the game does not interest you anymore, and you know that it just hasn't gotten stale, the game itself isn't interesting to play at all. So you decide to leave, you choose to freely abandon all the time and money and effort spent on this game. And what do you get? Entitled pieces of shit that say your decision that you spent a lot of time making, means nothing because you used to love the game and were an avid community member, and that you'll be back. Completely invalidating your decision.
What a community.
Living like that.
This. I'll miss you and it's a real blow to this site and the community to lose both you and Xarkkal in short succession. Take care of yourself. Maybe we'll meet again one day.
I notice I am confused. Something I believe isn't true. How do I know what I think I know?
Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres, hpmor.com
Get ready for sermonception as I prepare a lengthy response to your mini-sermon!
Honestly, I'm surprised you've lasted this long. I quit playing HS with any seriousness months ago. And it's been at least 3 months since I even logged in (well, except once, literally just get the freebie legendary with the new set).
I do disagree about Legends of Runeterra. I think it has a massive amount of variety, and plenty of ways to interact with what the opponent is doing (aka "answers").
Lastly, if you want to try a completely different card game that is none of the above nor Magic, I'd suggest Eternal.
Have you tried wild format? I'd be in the same boat as you if I still played standard.
Good bye, drama queen.
If after all those text walls, someone is still reading, congrats, you reached another faceless guy that thinks his opinion matters. But since I haven’t read anything similar, here is my take and my past experience:
Nightmare is obviously very involved in the game, as many of us are. It gets to the point that HS takes a lot of space in once life, sometimes more than it should (talking about my past self now). It’s not only gametime, it’s deck analysis, forums, streams, videos, ...
It can have all the characters of a toxic relationship. There are aspects that you love, awesome memories and simply routine but something is allways wrong. You quickly spend to much time with the game, doing things you don’t enjoy, simply because it’s what you’re doing for years.
I have forced myself to quit in the past but eventually came back as well. But I gradually distanced myself from the game (a full time job certainly helped). Emotionally that is. I don’t rush in to see the next Brawl at release time anymore. I dont care that much about my arena Scores anymore. I stopped watching videos on a regular basis. And most of all: I spend at least once or twice a week days without opening the game at all.
What I’m trying to say with this: Take it easy man. Don’t make forced emotional decisions. If you don’t enjoy putting the time and effort in as you are used to, simply don’t. But nothing stops you to hop in once in a while to see what’s up. In my experience, playing less makes the time that you play more entertaining.
Oh and finally: I know this is hella controversial, even more in your current situation... but spending some money on the game takes away the urge to grind. And that has been very beneficial for my game experience!
Whatever you may chose to do, you are always welcome here! The innkeeper will save you a chair :) Farewell
Winner winner chicken dinner
Hearthstone is obviously getting pale due to lacks of new mode. I can picture someone getting brain burned like I did, playing constructed over and over with nothing much changed over the course of 4 months.
EDIT. Did they really think that a new expansion hype will last for the entire 4 months period? Because I don't. 2 months and it's getting boring already.
I haven't got the slightest idea why the Blizzard won't make a simple mode where players can make their custom plays and rules (skirmish mode maybe?), and in doing so, prevent a burned out feels of playing the same mode over and over again. (or any other modes except BG which is not everyones playstyle).
And yes I did it with multiple deck, but unfortunately, I feel the same way as you did. The only thing prevent me from quitting the game is that I invested a lot of time to get to where I am right now, and to avoid losing it all, I just do daily quest every 1 or 2 days and play another game. If I can gather 100-120 golds /day in the past, It's only 60-70 golds /day, and it's already a miracle to get to 80 golds.
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