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I may have quit playing the game earlier this year, but I still want to hear about your amazing pack openings! Share what you got, what you're hunting for, etc.

What are your thoughts on this topic ? Do you think they will add Nelf, Human, Orc, Dwarf etc. in future ?

To be fair, I dislike the idea. I always thought that WoW playable races shouldn't be added as tribe because it was always like minions with tags on board are minions, thralls that we are commanding or battlepets like Hunter/Warlock Companions from WoW etc. and tribeless cards are people from the party so everything had more meaning, even limited-to-seven board. Also tribe tag is limiting those races mechanically like how murlocs, beasts etc. are themed around some mechanics but these controllable races can be anything, a mage, a warrior, a priest etc. So mechanically it just looks wrong and limiting the art styles and the game's mechanic imo.

It would be better if Hearthstone could have tribes like how MTG has from beginning but they chose to go with tribeless path so there needed to be some cards which has no tribes and i always think that those tribeless cards will be playable classes of Warcraft. Now it has been broken with the release of draenei.

Also, tribes in hearthstone had some themes/mechanics added to them. I read it like Draenei will have the theme that each draenei will give a bonus for next draenei but looking at all cards there are a lot of draenei with random effects, Also there is this fact that there are dozens of older draenei which could never fit this theme like these guys here and so much more;



Also there is this fact that they gave Draenei tribe tag to Broken/Lost One which we can see on Exarch Akama and Demon tag to Man'ari Eredar from beginning. This is just sad and breaking the point that HS would be wider with addition of them but without those, it just feels wrong.

What will they do with those old cards, will they give Draenei tag to them too ? If they won't, it would be inconsistent with what they did with Undead, Naga etc. before in my opinion. If they will, it will be mechanically absurd.

So my point is, they shouldn't add a playable race as a tribe tag because they can be any class so they can't be or shouldn't be limited with a tribe tag and its mechanic/theme. they created cards and can/will create cards with those arts in future and it will break consistency even more, it still breaks it with adding the tribe to older cards.

If they had to add a tribe, it might be Ethereal for this expansion. It is more thematic tribe that you can bind them to a single mechanic but in my opinion you shouldn't bind a tribe like draenei to a mechanic. It looks so shallow and plain when you do that.

Now what awaits us ? Orcs with Frenzy ? Dwarves with Taunts ? Humans with Inspire ? Nelves with choose one ?

Don't get me wrong, it is always cool to have some content like this but it is not MTG which creatures has Human tribe with Soldier so you can do mechanically everything with those like a Human Werewolf or an Orc Warrior but this is HS and we all know how tribes are there mechanically.

In final thoughts, if they started to add these races as tribes, we won't have any tribeless cards in future so that's a problem on my point of view. There was a reason before as they don't add tribes for cards, like tutoring them for example. If they continue to add other races, that means we won't have any tribeless cards in future which is a problem in a game designed with addition of tribeless cards. I was skeptical when they added undead before but it was ok because they weren't a playable class so you can theme them around necromancy stuff but it started with Draenei now.

Why I am saying this ? Because now i will be pissed off if they won't add other races as tribe tag as Nelf, Human, Orc, Tauren etc. with Draenei addition they have no excuses anymore to add the others too. There was this excuse before which i explained above with mechanics, theme etc. Now it is gone with Draenei. it is a bad move and choice for game design of Hearthstone.

TL;DR I'm sad that draenei is used for Tribe, It should have been Ethereals.

I have tried other card games, but none makes me feel like Hearthstone. Why?

what does this game have that others don’t? 

Hi, 

Old player, new account :)

If you could correct or solve one problem with your favorite game, what would it be?

Would appreciate honest answers.

Thanks!

Let's see those pack openings after today's launch!

I'm interested in what everyone thinks are the best and worst Tourists in Perils in Paradise and I'm not afraid of being proven wrong almost immediately, so I'll drop my personal rankings of which Tourists are going to be the most impactful (in Standard) when the expansion launches next week and I invite everyone else to do the same.

I tried to rank the cards both by how powerful I think their effect is and also the quality of the cards they allow their class access to, which means there's a lot of ways I can be wrong and isn't that fun? Without further ado, here are my almost certainly incorrect rankings of Tourists (in reverse order of power level):

Tier 4 - Probably Terrible

River Crocolisk is not a good card, no matter how many you have or how big they get, so Ranger Gilly already has the deck stacked against him. Then I look at the cards Warrior got in the new set, and there honestly isn't anything worth putting such a weak 6-Drop into my deck for.

Rogue has met with a terrible fate: a Tourist card with a mediocre effect and a set that doesn't look like it'll do well in Rogue. Maestra gets the edge over Gilly solely because some Hero cards are actually really good and there's always the upside of using Tess to replay all your Rogue cards.

Tier 3 - Weak, with Upside

I can't get over the fact that Raylla, a Legendary minion from 2024, is just a slightly better Vex Crow. If you can look past that, then you can convince yourself that Raylla has a lot of ways to pay off a small spell deck with a durable board, which is nice, but there's not a lot that the Paladin set offers Mage - unless you're playing a minion buff deck (and this is Mage we're talking about, guys), you're not going to have a whole lot of opportunities to make use of the cards that Paladin has to offer.

I like Cookie's effect, but the set he gets doesn't really play into what he wants you to do. Demon Hunter has a few cards that Shaman will definitely want, but it's really hard for me to think of Cookie as anything other than a dead card that you're running specifically to gain access to better card draw and/or new spell schools. Like Raylla, Cookie is better played when you can combo him with other cards and, also like Raylla, doesn't really offer much beyond an OK board presence - but at least he can be played onto an established board to make some trades a little better.

Massive card draw is good, and there is some support for Spell School DK... except for spells that are actually good. The archetype feels fringe, and if you're not specifically going for Spell School DK there just doesn't feel like there's a reason to play Buttons. Probably the most inflexible combination of Tourist and set.

Tier 2 - Good Effect, OK Set

There's a few cards from the Rogue set that Paladin could use, mainly Oh, Manager! and Knickknack Shack, but the cards that cost 2 or less that Lynessa is going to be comboing with are much more likely to be Paladin cards. If you took away the Tourist, would it change how much Lynessa sees play?

Darkmarrow is a bit of a mix between Baron Rivendare and Spiritsinger Umbra, which sounds like a pretty good deal. He also gives you access to cards like Brittlebone Buccaneer and Eliza Goreblade, but a big reason of why he's likely to see play is more about what he does with the Warlock cards, both the old ones and the ones from the new set.

Tier 1 - A Beautiful Marriage of Effect and Set

Vol'jin's effect is situational, but in the right situations it can be very strong. He sits at the bottom of this tier because what he does doesn't really play with any of the cards Priest gets from Hunter; but his effect is solid and the set is really good so I'm giving him a pass. Giving Priest, the class with the most potential for annoying shenanigans, access to Sasquawk and Pet Parrot feels a little nasty on Blizzard's part, and it's going to take a lot to convince me that Death Roll isn't premium removal.

Aranna is so good at what she does that half of Priest's set feels like cards printed specifically for Demon Hunter (but don't feel bad for Priest - Blizzard made it up to them by giving them Hunter's entire set). Sauna Regular, Acupuncture, Nightshade Tea, and Hot Coals all go great with a self-harm DH whose Hero Power gives them constant cheap access to pain. And while Aranna feels like a huge payoff for the archetype, it doesn't feel like the deck won't work if you don't draw her.

Y'all - I don't think I'm going out an a limb when I say that Mistah Vistah's effect is absurdly strong. Sure, you have to wait three turns to get the payoff, so you're technically playing a 5/5 vanilla 5-Drop, but there's a lot of good spells for Vistah to repeat to the point where it feels like the opponent has to kill the Druid in that three-turn window or they'll be completely buried. And the Tourist tag gets you Tsunami (a great spell to stall the board and later repeat with Vistah), Go with the Flow and Seabreeze Chalice (great cheap spells for Spell Damage Druid) and niche tools like Rising Waves and Tide Pools, so this looks like a top-tier Tourist (except, actually, it isn't).

Tier 0 - I Mean, Come On

Any Tourist card that gives its class access to the absurd pile that is Druid's set in Perils in Paradise is already a top three Tourist in my book, and then you add an effect which gives you the ability to delete one of your opponent's key minions before they even draw it. Warrior salivates over the chance to add cards like Trail Mix, Hydration Station, New Heights, and Sleep Under the Stars to their decks, no matter the archetype. Both effect and set give one of the best late-game classes even more tools for suffocating its opponents, so this is obviously the best Tourist.

Please disagree with me down below!

I've had a computer running for the past almost 4 days rendering Hearthstone cards to do a full database update here on Out of Games, and I've uncovered a few fun, updated numbers during it.

• There are 29830 cards in the Hearthstone client as of the most recent patch.
• 22650 of those cards can be rendered.
  • Cards like the buffs you see on mouseover on the gameboard, or buttons in Battlegrounds, don't get rendered.
  • Only 6249 are classified as being collectible, and a bunch of those are heroes or duplicates for core set.
• 10692 of those cards can be rendered as golden cards.
• 121 of those are Signature cards.

Now what gets a bit weird is we actually have 30510 cards in our database, which is almost 700 more cards than what exists in the client. I haven't had an opportunity to dig into that yet to figure out what the differences are; I'm certain there has to be something interesting there.

Just figured someone might find those numbers interesting. As for why there are so many unplayable cards in the game, well there's this fun thing in game development where devs will make use of an existing feature in the game for something else.

In World of Warcraft, the most famous use of this is how they used to do pathing for NPCs. I'm not sure if it's still done this way because it's been a long time since I've done any logging on the WoW client, but I know in Legion you could actually see some of them if you were "lucky". Blizzard spawns hidden waypoints for NPCs to travel, or for you to collide with when you hit a portal to zone into an instance. In the WoW dev's debugging client view, these NPCs are actually little bunnies. 

Fallout 3 also does something funny with their trains. Trains are actually human NPCs that are simply wearing a train as a hat, so in reality the trains are just people running around.

Reusing existing technology saves on development time.

For Hearthstone, Cards takes on a lot of this burden.

• TB_BaconShopLockAll_Button is a card with the name "Freeze" which is the button on the Battlegrounds board that freezes the shop.
  • All buttons on the Battlegrounds board are cards internally.
• Buffs like the +2/+2 from Power Word: Feast are cards themselves.
  • These are called enchantments internally and all the card ids have an "e" suffix.

We import everything that is in the client into our database so if you take off the collectible filter, you can find cards that don't have images which means they usually have something weird going on.

Note that all the freshly rendered cards are not yet imported to the website as of posting this thread. That's going to take some time to upload and process on our end!

I realize I may get flamed for this thread, but here goes:

I've been playing a lot of Death Knight recently, and I've noticed that whenever my opponent draws a Blood Plague or I use The Primus's Runes of Blood ability, I make nomnomnom noises to myself as I eat up that delicious health. I started doing it sort of unconsciously at first, but now I lean into it, smacking my lips with relish. It's stupid and silly, but it increases the fun I'm having while I play.

So, what do all you freaks out there do while you play that makes the game more fun for you? Scream out your favorite minions' call lines when you summon them? Chant FACE or SMORC when smacking the opponent? I'm sure some of you have some silly little things you'd like to share.

I saw an old article along the side of the OoG Hearthstone portal regarding achievement hunting and thought... "I wish we had more content like that."  And if you wanted that too, you're welcome!

Death Knight - Puppy Power!

I made this list the first day of the expansion and completed the Puppy Power! achievement first game.  The goal was to just summon as many doggos as I could, and it worked well.

Demon Hunter - No Nerfs Needed

Well isn't that the most bold faced lie ever?!  I honestly don't have a specific list for this, but I'm sure you could probably just slot Ci'Cigi any of the current Aggro DH lists.  Just remove whatever you feel the weakest card is currently and then BAM!  Slap that Collectable Card Game minion right into that spot!  Enjoy some easy wins all while also completing the achievement!  In the below list you could even consider swapping out a Frequency Oscillator as he's horrid if you don't get him early.  If you want to maintain the same amount of early game, maybe Pozzik, Audio Engineer???  He can help disrupt an opponent's game plan, but when played too late he seems to just give the opponent resources to play rather than slowing them down so you don't get some 3/3 mechs.

Kris O Five's list:

Hunter - The Good Spots in Life

Just play the list below, posted by gutsy, and grind until you've summoned enough doggos!

Mage - Sob Story

I actually found this deck including Watercolor Artist on another site (which shall not be named) and copied it into a deck on this site so I could link it for you!  The deck was made by Kibler, so maybe it's good?  I have no idea.  Good luck!

Paladin - Stocked Inventory

There was only one deck I could find with the needed minion included (Wind-Up Enforcer).  I'm not sure if it's good or not though.

So I made a deck in about two minutes!  It's a Wild Handbuff Paladin with [Hearthstone Card (Vala'nyr) Not Found] because I LOVE that card!  I am only providing the code, not posting an actual deck page yet, because I just made the list.  I haven't taken the deck "out of the packaging" much like the Enforcer is still in the box.  So I'm not sure how it will perform, if at all.  But... Enjoy!

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Priest - Spring Cleaning

Just no!  I'm not going to even try with this one.

Rogue - It's a Steal!

Pretty straight forward... just play Pirates!

Shaman - Blue Participation Ribbon

We're giving out participation awards now?!  At least this one gives you a chance to serve up some delicious, and potentially spicy Tendies!

I'm going to call it there for now... This is taking a long time and I've got shit to do!  My three month old's ass isn't going to wipe itself!

If you have any other ideas for achievements already covered, or for Warlock, Warrior, and Neutral achievements please share below!

~ Thonson

Mercenaries doesn't seem to be working for me. All the icons are blank and cannot be clicked on. Issue is on my gaming laptop, but not mobile. Rest of Hearthstone works fine. Any ideas?

Title. If Zok Fogsnout cost 6-Mana instead of 7, you could play Sing-Along Buddy and your Hero Power in the same turn with Zok. That would make him way better; as it is, you are basically forced to play him at turn 10 or later, the entire turn goes into the combo, and the result is often underwhelming. I could rely on Audio Amplifier, I guess, but outside of this singular situation the deck doesn't really care about that 11th Mana Crystal.

Hero Power Druid could be more fun and rewarding - I love messing with Hero Power-based decks, but the current support for Druid just doesn't seem to get there. Once we're past opening day and the *real* decks come out to play, I imagine Zok, Groovy Cat, and Free Spirit go back to the recycling bin...just like last time :(

Hi all, just a reminder that pack opening order matters! I have a handful of Standard packs saved up, and will be buying many Whizbang packs using gold. I plan to open my Standard packs first, as I believe they are more likely to give me Whizbang cards (since I already own most of the cards from last year's sets).

If I've got this wrong, I hope someone will correct me ASAP!

Good luck to everyone on Whizbang Release Day, and may Yogg smile on your pack openings!

With a fresh in-game event starting today, what are you most excited about for this year's celebratory event?

Twist's new format that gets a start on March 1 is a great idea. One new expansion being added to the card pool each day, allowing you to login and play a different era of Hearthstone every single day sounds like a lot of fun. Bring on the Sludge Belchers, Naxx!

Be sure to check out our full guide to the event to make sure you know what's coming.

*I CREATED A NEW ACCOUNT SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO*

I got a little bored over the holiday weekend and decided to do something dumb.  I created a new HS account under the name "SantaHS".  Why would I do this?  Because any time they update the New Player Experience I usually make a new one and give it a try.  To see what the experience would really be like for a brand spankin' new player!  And I must say... this new experience is WAY better than before.

The Old Experience

As early as three months ago I did the same thing as I hadn't in a long time.  I was wondering what it was like since I had never gotten a free deck before on a new account.  And it was pretty much the same as it's been for years, parts of it were the same since launch.  You start as Jaina, fight Hogger, Mukla, Millhouse, and a few other familiar characters.  Then you went into the 40 Apprentice ranks and had to climb your way out.  Along the way you unlocked classes by beating them once, and unlocked core cards by leveling up each class.

This process was honestly quite tedious unless you knew exactly what to craft to make fast work of all the 3x Unholy DK bots that Blizzard populated the Apprentice ranks with.  At least, I assumed they were Blizz bots.  Might have been account farming... if people do that.  (Do they?)  I did craft a deck that I enjoyed and happened to already open a legendary for, and I was able to climb to normal ranked ladder in about 6 days.  Don't remember how much time I was devoting to the account, but overall I can say it took a lot of games!  And I can just imagine a brand new player who doesn't know what to craft and build might have had a tougher time as you have to actually win games to climb out in the old system.

The New Experience

This was totally different!  Right off the bat.  You have only three tutorial fights.  First you fight Rexxar and Garrosh in an effort to recruit them so you can take down the real enemy: The Lich King!

After these three fights you enter the new Apprentice track.  Instead of winning games to climb, you simply have to play games.  I think the idea is that an actual new player might not know what they are doing and could lose some early on.  But every game they play they are gaining knowledge, so each game they play they gain 100 xp.  Initially 100 xp is enough to climb one rank.  Later it becomes 150, 200, and 300.  There are also only 25 levels on this track, and a lot of really nice rewards along the way.  Not to mention Apprentice specific quests to get xp faster, and if you complete a page of the special Apprentice quests, you get a pack.  I might be the only one, but I really like the art style of these Apprentice quests.  Could we get updated quest art in normal ladder to be more like these?!

Along the track there are two levels that say "Pick one of three" and have deck images next to them.  Now... I thought this was a way for them to let you try some of the loaner decks.  NO!  These are free decks that you get to keep!  Forever!  If you don't like any of the options, look for the one with the most dust value.  Also, cards won't ask you if you want to reroll if you have two of them, or one legendary, and then get another copy or two in the free deck.  SO if you are choosing just for the dust, keep that in mind.

I should also mention that the non-golden Core cards didn't have to be earned anymore, aside from unlocking each class to get access to their class Core cards.  So no leveling up each hero just to get all the neutrals, etc.  You just get them all, and level up each class to start getting the golden copies.  Personally, I thought that was a very nice change.  I think part of this change leaked through on my previous run a few months ago.  When the old system was still in place, I definitely had some Core Hunter cards, and even some golden Core Hunter cards prior to unlocking them.  Classic indie gaming Blizzard!

Lastly, the entire experience was quick.  Easily done in a single day or two depending on how much time you have to devote to the Apprentice track.  And at the end you still get three loaner decks, and you get to keep one after 7 days.

Recap

• Shorter tutorial section to get into Apprentice
• New Apprentice Track replaces Apprentice Ranks, and is much easier to get through
• Leveling up classes no longer seems necessary to unlock non-golden Core cards, you just get the regular versions of the Core cards immediately
• You get to pick two complete decks along the track, and one after a loaner period, making for THREE FREE DECKS!!!
• Ketch... *uh-hmm*... Catch Up packs also make the new player experience very nice, getting a lot of cards faster.
• Best of all, I didn't get stuck in 3x Unholy DK hell!  I barely saw any of this.
  • In fact, the three pre-made DK recipes are a thing of the past.  They give you a Rainbow DK to start, and the 3x Unholy recipe still exists as "Core Death Knight" if you really want to play it right away.

The only odd things that I wasn't sure how to feel about was that in the tutorial games some cards are altered from their actual form.  Examples would be Huffer has no charge in the tutorial, and Pyroblast is a 9 mana spell that can only hit the enemy hero.  I realize this is all due to the first three fights being scripted so players can learn, and they want the player to be able to survive and find lethal at a specific point.  But why teach new players with cards that are not correct?  Just seemed odd.

OVERALL, I personally think the overhaul of the New Player Experience is great!  Not sure if it'll do anything to bring new players in, but it definitely won't drive new players away like the old one might have!

Are you an enthusiast of Burgle Rogue or maybe just Burgle-curious?

Come check out my new subreddit and start playing with style- Why play with some of the cards... when you can play with them all?

r/BurgleRogue

So... It seems like "Created By" cards have memory of what they should be, even if they do not show like that. For example, here, Diamond Zephrys created a Golden Brightwing who also created a Signature The One-Amalgam Band. This also tells that Diamond is equal or higher in rarity acording to the game to Signature Legendary cards. Might be already known, but It is the first time I experienced this in game and did not know about this before, just knew that signature cards could create other signature cards.

Here's the forum for all your Badlands achievements notes, questions, thoughts and triumphs. 

My starting question: what is Gold Rush asking us to do? It says "Strike gold with Gold Panner" so I tried it in a deck with plenty of golden cards, but either this one is bugged or it does not mean "use Gold Panner to draw a golden card". 

Have you gotten this one to work?