Hearthstone

I don't know if you are aware or not but something is wrong with Card Pages.

The pages are flooded with card texts and explanations of keywords and some card pages aren't available and gives bad gateway error.

 I've brought some screenshots;

It goes like forever to the bottom as 1000 entries.

I may have quit playing the game earlier this year, but I still want to hear about your amazing pack openings! Share what you got, what you're hunting for, etc.

What are your thoughts on this topic ? Do you think they will add Nelf, Human, Orc, Dwarf etc. in future ?

To be fair, I dislike the idea. I always thought that WoW playable races shouldn't be added as tribe because it was always like minions with tags on board are minions, thralls that we are commanding or battlepets like Hunter/Warlock Companions from WoW etc. and tribeless cards are people from the party so everything had more meaning, even limited-to-seven board. Also tribe tag is limiting those races mechanically like how murlocs, beasts etc. are themed around some mechanics but these controllable races can be anything, a mage, a warrior, a priest etc. So mechanically it just looks wrong and limiting the art styles and the game's mechanic imo.

It would be better if Hearthstone could have tribes like how MTG has from beginning but they chose to go with tribeless path so there needed to be some cards which has no tribes and i always think that those tribeless cards will be playable classes of Warcraft. Now it has been broken with the release of draenei.

Also, tribes in hearthstone had some themes/mechanics added to them. I read it like Draenei will have the theme that each draenei will give a bonus for next draenei but looking at all cards there are a lot of draenei with random effects, Also there is this fact that there are dozens of older draenei which could never fit this theme like these guys here and so much more;



Also there is this fact that they gave Draenei tribe tag to Broken/Lost One which we can see on Exarch Akama and Demon tag to Man'ari Eredar from beginning. This is just sad and breaking the point that HS would be wider with addition of them but without those, it just feels wrong.

What will they do with those old cards, will they give Draenei tag to them too ? If they won't, it would be inconsistent with what they did with Undead, Naga etc. before in my opinion. If they will, it will be mechanically absurd.

So my point is, they shouldn't add a playable race as a tribe tag because they can be any class so they can't be or shouldn't be limited with a tribe tag and its mechanic/theme. they created cards and can/will create cards with those arts in future and it will break consistency even more, it still breaks it with adding the tribe to older cards.

If they had to add a tribe, it might be Ethereal for this expansion. It is more thematic tribe that you can bind them to a single mechanic but in my opinion you shouldn't bind a tribe like draenei to a mechanic. It looks so shallow and plain when you do that.

Now what awaits us ? Orcs with Frenzy ? Dwarves with Taunts ? Humans with Inspire ? Nelves with choose one ?

Don't get me wrong, it is always cool to have some content like this but it is not MTG which creatures has Human tribe with Soldier so you can do mechanically everything with those like a Human Werewolf or an Orc Warrior but this is HS and we all know how tribes are there mechanically.

In final thoughts, if they started to add these races as tribes, we won't have any tribeless cards in future so that's a problem on my point of view. There was a reason before as they don't add tribes for cards, like tutoring them for example. If they continue to add other races, that means we won't have any tribeless cards in future which is a problem in a game designed with addition of tribeless cards. I was skeptical when they added undead before but it was ok because they weren't a playable class so you can theme them around necromancy stuff but it started with Draenei now.

Why I am saying this ? Because now i will be pissed off if they won't add other races as tribe tag as Nelf, Human, Orc, Tauren etc. with Draenei addition they have no excuses anymore to add the others too. There was this excuse before which i explained above with mechanics, theme etc. Now it is gone with Draenei. it is a bad move and choice for game design of Hearthstone.

TL;DR I'm sad that draenei is used for Tribe, It should have been Ethereals.

Hearthstone posted a thing on their Twitter teasing the reveal for a new expansion with a bunch of players dressed in robes of sorts.

What do you all think of it?

I have tried other card games, but none makes me feel like Hearthstone. Why?

what does this game have that others don’t? 

Hi, 

Old player, new account :)

If you could correct or solve one problem with your favorite game, what would it be?

Would appreciate honest answers.

Thanks!

Let's see those pack openings after today's launch!

I'm interested in what everyone thinks are the best and worst Tourists in Perils in Paradise and I'm not afraid of being proven wrong almost immediately, so I'll drop my personal rankings of which Tourists are going to be the most impactful (in Standard) when the expansion launches next week and I invite everyone else to do the same.

I tried to rank the cards both by how powerful I think their effect is and also the quality of the cards they allow their class access to, which means there's a lot of ways I can be wrong and isn't that fun? Without further ado, here are my almost certainly incorrect rankings of Tourists (in reverse order of power level):

Tier 4 - Probably Terrible

River Crocolisk is not a good card, no matter how many you have or how big they get, so Ranger Gilly already has the deck stacked against him. Then I look at the cards Warrior got in the new set, and there honestly isn't anything worth putting such a weak 6-Drop into my deck for.

Rogue has met with a terrible fate: a Tourist card with a mediocre effect and a set that doesn't look like it'll do well in Rogue. Maestra gets the edge over Gilly solely because some Hero cards are actually really good and there's always the upside of using Tess to replay all your Rogue cards.

Tier 3 - Weak, with Upside

I can't get over the fact that Raylla, a Legendary minion from 2024, is just a slightly better Vex Crow. If you can look past that, then you can convince yourself that Raylla has a lot of ways to pay off a small spell deck with a durable board, which is nice, but there's not a lot that the Paladin set offers Mage - unless you're playing a minion buff deck (and this is Mage we're talking about, guys), you're not going to have a whole lot of opportunities to make use of the cards that Paladin has to offer.

I like Cookie's effect, but the set he gets doesn't really play into what he wants you to do. Demon Hunter has a few cards that Shaman will definitely want, but it's really hard for me to think of Cookie as anything other than a dead card that you're running specifically to gain access to better card draw and/or new spell schools. Like Raylla, Cookie is better played when you can combo him with other cards and, also like Raylla, doesn't really offer much beyond an OK board presence - but at least he can be played onto an established board to make some trades a little better.

Massive card draw is good, and there is some support for Spell School DK... except for spells that are actually good. The archetype feels fringe, and if you're not specifically going for Spell School DK there just doesn't feel like there's a reason to play Buttons. Probably the most inflexible combination of Tourist and set.

Tier 2 - Good Effect, OK Set

There's a few cards from the Rogue set that Paladin could use, mainly Oh, Manager! and Knickknack Shack, but the cards that cost 2 or less that Lynessa is going to be comboing with are much more likely to be Paladin cards. If you took away the Tourist, would it change how much Lynessa sees play?

Darkmarrow is a bit of a mix between Baron Rivendare and Spiritsinger Umbra, which sounds like a pretty good deal. He also gives you access to cards like Brittlebone Buccaneer and Eliza Goreblade, but a big reason of why he's likely to see play is more about what he does with the Warlock cards, both the old ones and the ones from the new set.

Tier 1 - A Beautiful Marriage of Effect and Set

Vol'jin's effect is situational, but in the right situations it can be very strong. He sits at the bottom of this tier because what he does doesn't really play with any of the cards Priest gets from Hunter; but his effect is solid and the set is really good so I'm giving him a pass. Giving Priest, the class with the most potential for annoying shenanigans, access to Sasquawk and Pet Parrot feels a little nasty on Blizzard's part, and it's going to take a lot to convince me that Death Roll isn't premium removal.

Aranna is so good at what she does that half of Priest's set feels like cards printed specifically for Demon Hunter (but don't feel bad for Priest - Blizzard made it up to them by giving them Hunter's entire set). Sauna Regular, Acupuncture, Nightshade Tea, and Hot Coals all go great with a self-harm DH whose Hero Power gives them constant cheap access to pain. And while Aranna feels like a huge payoff for the archetype, it doesn't feel like the deck won't work if you don't draw her.

Y'all - I don't think I'm going out an a limb when I say that Mistah Vistah's effect is absurdly strong. Sure, you have to wait three turns to get the payoff, so you're technically playing a 5/5 vanilla 5-Drop, but there's a lot of good spells for Vistah to repeat to the point where it feels like the opponent has to kill the Druid in that three-turn window or they'll be completely buried. And the Tourist tag gets you Tsunami (a great spell to stall the board and later repeat with Vistah), Go with the Flow and Seabreeze Chalice (great cheap spells for Spell Damage Druid) and niche tools like Rising Waves and Tide Pools, so this looks like a top-tier Tourist (except, actually, it isn't).

Tier 0 - I Mean, Come On

Any Tourist card that gives its class access to the absurd pile that is Druid's set in Perils in Paradise is already a top three Tourist in my book, and then you add an effect which gives you the ability to delete one of your opponent's key minions before they even draw it. Warrior salivates over the chance to add cards like Trail Mix, Hydration Station, New Heights, and Sleep Under the Stars to their decks, no matter the archetype. Both effect and set give one of the best late-game classes even more tools for suffocating its opponents, so this is obviously the best Tourist.

Please disagree with me down below!

I've had a computer running for the past almost 4 days rendering Hearthstone cards to do a full database update here on Out of Games, and I've uncovered a few fun, updated numbers during it.

• There are 29830 cards in the Hearthstone client as of the most recent patch.
• 22650 of those cards can be rendered.
  • Cards like the buffs you see on mouseover on the gameboard, or buttons in Battlegrounds, don't get rendered.
  • Only 6249 are classified as being collectible, and a bunch of those are heroes or duplicates for core set.
• 10692 of those cards can be rendered as golden cards.
• 121 of those are Signature cards.

Now what gets a bit weird is we actually have 30510 cards in our database, which is almost 700 more cards than what exists in the client. I haven't had an opportunity to dig into that yet to figure out what the differences are; I'm certain there has to be something interesting there.

Just figured someone might find those numbers interesting. As for why there are so many unplayable cards in the game, well there's this fun thing in game development where devs will make use of an existing feature in the game for something else.

In World of Warcraft, the most famous use of this is how they used to do pathing for NPCs. I'm not sure if it's still done this way because it's been a long time since I've done any logging on the WoW client, but I know in Legion you could actually see some of them if you were "lucky". Blizzard spawns hidden waypoints for NPCs to travel, or for you to collide with when you hit a portal to zone into an instance. In the WoW dev's debugging client view, these NPCs are actually little bunnies. 

Fallout 3 also does something funny with their trains. Trains are actually human NPCs that are simply wearing a train as a hat, so in reality the trains are just people running around.

Reusing existing technology saves on development time.

For Hearthstone, Cards takes on a lot of this burden.

• TB_BaconShopLockAll_Button is a card with the name "Freeze" which is the button on the Battlegrounds board that freezes the shop.
  • All buttons on the Battlegrounds board are cards internally.
• Buffs like the +2/+2 from Power Word: Feast are cards themselves.
  • These are called enchantments internally and all the card ids have an "e" suffix.

We import everything that is in the client into our database so if you take off the collectible filter, you can find cards that don't have images which means they usually have something weird going on.

Note that all the freshly rendered cards are not yet imported to the website as of posting this thread. That's going to take some time to upload and process on our end!

Cora has shared a few fun things about the new mini-set!

Quote From Cora

Few tidbits I can remember about this Mini-Set:

1. Gigantify is the reverse of Miniaturize, which meant we had to adjust our design philosophy. Instead of repetitive effects that are strong because they're cheap, we leaned into effects that are more exciting on a bigger minion.

2. The set was supposed to be named "Dr. Boom's Incredible Inventions (of Fun!)." We were asked to cut the "(of Fun!)" for length concerns.

3. We referred to the mini-set internally as "Misfit Toys" at the beginning, and the design ID on each card is MIS_ for that reason.

4. We considered giving Toyrantus a blank textbox for the memes. /s

5. I believe the keyword Gigantify/Gigantic was originally suggested internally as a joke, and we kind of ran with it. We don't usually introduce a new keyword in a mini-set, but this one made sense.

6. There is one specific art piece in this mini-set that is a continuation of the story of an art piece in the main set, and it's kind of messed up. I don't know who wrote the description, but they must have been going through it that day.

I realize I may get flamed for this thread, but here goes:

I've been playing a lot of Death Knight recently, and I've noticed that whenever my opponent draws a Blood Plague or I use The Primus's Runes of Blood ability, I make nomnomnom noises to myself as I eat up that delicious health. I started doing it sort of unconsciously at first, but now I lean into it, smacking my lips with relish. It's stupid and silly, but it increases the fun I'm having while I play.

So, what do all you freaks out there do while you play that makes the game more fun for you? Scream out your favorite minions' call lines when you summon them? Chant FACE or SMORC when smacking the opponent? I'm sure some of you have some silly little things you'd like to share.

We've got a bunch of known issues for the new patch, including an unfortunate issue with Macs being unable to buy things in the store.

Also sucks that Cariel Roame and Alexstrasza are removed from the BG pool for now due to issues.

Quote From GnomeSayin

Patch 29.2 is here, bringing with it Battlegrounds Season 7, Battlegrounds Duos, and much more! This is a big patch, so there are a few known issues we’re tracking. Refer to this post for updates throughout this patch.

The known issues we’re tracking this patch include:

• [Shop] Mac desktop clients are unable to access the Shop in patch 29.2. We’re working on a solution to this issue. In the meantime, you can still make any purchases through the web shop or mobile devices.
• [Cosmetics] There is a bug where the default Coin is generated in-game instead of your Favorited Coin. This is scheduled to be fixed in the next major patch.
• [Added 4/16] [Collection] The team is investigating reports of players unable to open their last pack in a stack.
• [Added 4/16] [Battlegrounds] Using Reno’s Hero Power on Persistent Poet results in a visual bug where it looks like adjacent Dragons are also turned Golden.
• [Added 4/16] [Battlegrounds] The team is investigating player reports of getting Floop’s achievements without earning them.
• [Added 4/16] [Hearthstone] The team is tracking reports of the mulligan “confirm” sometimes not working.
• [Added 4/16] [BNet] The team is investigating why players who are in Battlegrounds appear as “Spectating Dragonblight” in the friends list.
• [Added 4/16] [Shop] The team is investigating reports that the screen will sometimes remain blurred after purchasing a product from the shop. In the meantime, clicking through the blur or restarting the client seems to resolve this issue.

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Battlegrounds Pool changes:

• Cariel Roame and Alexstrasza have been temporarily removed from the Hero Pool due to a bug. (Aranna Starseeker and Queen Azshara are also still temporarily removed from the Hero Pool).
• Skycap’n Kragg, Zephrys the Great, Reno Jackson, and Dinotamer Brann have been temporarily removed from the Hero Pool (Duos only) due to various bugs.
• Fluidity has been removed from the Spell Pool for crimes.
• Storm Splitter has been temporarily removed from the Minion Pool (Duos only) due to a bug.

I saw an old article along the side of the OoG Hearthstone portal regarding achievement hunting and thought... "I wish we had more content like that."  And if you wanted that too, you're welcome!

Death Knight - Puppy Power!

I made this list the first day of the expansion and completed the Puppy Power! achievement first game.  The goal was to just summon as many doggos as I could, and it worked well.

Demon Hunter - No Nerfs Needed

Well isn't that the most bold faced lie ever?!  I honestly don't have a specific list for this, but I'm sure you could probably just slot Ci'Cigi any of the current Aggro DH lists.  Just remove whatever you feel the weakest card is currently and then BAM!  Slap that Collectable Card Game minion right into that spot!  Enjoy some easy wins all while also completing the achievement!  In the below list you could even consider swapping out a Frequency Oscillator as he's horrid if you don't get him early.  If you want to maintain the same amount of early game, maybe Pozzik, Audio Engineer???  He can help disrupt an opponent's game plan, but when played too late he seems to just give the opponent resources to play rather than slowing them down so you don't get some 3/3 mechs.

Kris O Five's list:

Hunter - The Good Spots in Life

Just play the list below, posted by gutsy, and grind until you've summoned enough doggos!

Mage - Sob Story

I actually found this deck including Watercolor Artist on another site (which shall not be named) and copied it into a deck on this site so I could link it for you!  The deck was made by Kibler, so maybe it's good?  I have no idea.  Good luck!

Paladin - Stocked Inventory

There was only one deck I could find with the needed minion included (Wind-Up Enforcer).  I'm not sure if it's good or not though.

So I made a deck in about two minutes!  It's a Wild Handbuff Paladin with [Hearthstone Card (Vala'nyr) Not Found] because I LOVE that card!  I am only providing the code, not posting an actual deck page yet, because I just made the list.  I haven't taken the deck "out of the packaging" much like the Enforcer is still in the box.  So I'm not sure how it will perform, if at all.  But... Enjoy!

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Priest - Spring Cleaning

Just no!  I'm not going to even try with this one.

Rogue - It's a Steal!

Pretty straight forward... just play Pirates!

Shaman - Blue Participation Ribbon

We're giving out participation awards now?!  At least this one gives you a chance to serve up some delicious, and potentially spicy Tendies!

I'm going to call it there for now... This is taking a long time and I've got shit to do!  My three month old's ass isn't going to wipe itself!

If you have any other ideas for achievements already covered, or for Warlock, Warrior, and Neutral achievements please share below!

~ Thonson

The deck recipe brawl returns!

Deck Recipes

Title. If Zok Fogsnout cost 6-Mana instead of 7, you could play Sing-Along Buddy and your Hero Power in the same turn with Zok. That would make him way better; as it is, you are basically forced to play him at turn 10 or later, the entire turn goes into the combo, and the result is often underwhelming. I could rely on Audio Amplifier, I guess, but outside of this singular situation the deck doesn't really care about that 11th Mana Crystal.

Hero Power Druid could be more fun and rewarding - I love messing with Hero Power-based decks, but the current support for Druid just doesn't seem to get there. Once we're past opening day and the *real* decks come out to play, I imagine Zok, Groovy Cat, and Free Spirit go back to the recycling bin...just like last time :(

Hi all, just a reminder that pack opening order matters! I have a handful of Standard packs saved up, and will be buying many Whizbang packs using gold. I plan to open my Standard packs first, as I believe they are more likely to give me Whizbang cards (since I already own most of the cards from last year's sets).

If I've got this wrong, I hope someone will correct me ASAP!

Good luck to everyone on Whizbang Release Day, and may Yogg smile on your pack openings!

Thank you to everyone who entered the giveaway, including the new members who joined our community to participate - I hope to see you all around still!

Congratulations to Lemushki, sule, and anchorm4n for winning the giveaway! You have all been sent emails and private messages with instructions on how to claim your prizes. Here are their winning entries:

Lemushki -  Botface Comment

Quote From lemushki

This one seems really powerfull as all minis are… Also Rotface was one of my favourite warrior cards ever. This one IS not going unnoticed by me.

I think this Will see play and maybe with the doctor?

If not… It at least Will be found

Sule - Toy Captain Tarim Comment

Quote From sule

This is interesting: The first half of Tarim is obviously going to be used as a buff for a smaller friendly minion, and the second half as a debuff for an enemy minion. A neat little two-for-one for aggro pally; I think there's a ton of gas for that archetype so I'm fairly certain we'll be seeing this guy around. (sidenote: one of the great tragedies of Baku-era standard was that Odd Paladin was so good that the obviously busted 6-Cost Tarim was close to an afterthought).

Anchorm4n - Voting on Painter's Virtue

Since we can't preview the vote, instead, here's anchorm4n's comment!

[quote from="anchorm4n]

Weird stats on this one. Obviously a hand wide buff can't be too cheap, but why not skip the Lifesteal and give it Windfury instead? Or just reduce the cost a bit... I'm not sold on this one.

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Good luck with your pack openings!

In this brawl you'll be given a hand full of cards that contain card names and you will need to match the card names to the minions that are on the board.

• You have more spells in your hand than there are minions, so don't expect this to be easy.
• If you make a mistake, the board resets!