New Targon Spell - Hush

This can silence champions! Sure it’s only for a round, but the ability to have this be relevant in more matchups is important. One thing I wonder is if Silencing a champion resets its “I’ve seen” requirements (for example, if you silence a TF that has seen the opponent draw 6 cards, when it becomes unsilenced does it regain its progress or go back to 0?). Also, can a champion progress its level up or level up while silenced?

@CursedParrot: Those are some important questions! My gut says progress is not lost but also cannot be gained while Silenced. (If the Champion can remember its buffs and text, it should also be able to remember its progress.)

Suddenly Sunburst is feeling a little more niche, but I'm still not convinced it's as bad as some streamers say. I don't imagine they'll be all that gung-ho for Hush, either, since it's also not permanent. I think they are both good, but they have very different applications. As the only Champion Silencers in the game, I have to believe they are relevant.

I promise you something like Mogwai putting a Fury of the North out to protect against Sunburst will happen and he will entirely change his view on the card. I'm pretty convinced his opinion was based on a lack of full understanding. Pretty much only Deny, Recall, (and maybe spellshield depending on how that works) will be able to stop it.

People have an uncanny tendency to fail at predicting how good/bad certain cards will be. The only exceptions are cards that are absurdly overpowered and get nerfed within 2 weeks of release, or so blatantly underpowered that they are never used in a deck and maybe get buffed at some point later.

It turns out that this card actually has Swim terrified to the point that he posted a half-hour-long rant about it on YouTube. He says he's worried that it will destroy meta diversity. I think he's just upset that it's going to curb the polarizing, degenerate play style that he tends to favor.

Every deck that gets utterly wrecked by this card is a deck that didn't have enough counters in the first place. Most of the time, it only gives you a fighting chance against decks that were heavily favored against you.

Quote From FortyDust

It turns out that this card actually has Swim terrified to the point that he posted a half-hour-long rant about it on YouTube. He says he's worried that it will destroy meta diversity. I think he's just upset that it's going to curb the polarizing, degenerate play style that he tends to favor.

Every deck that gets utterly wrecked by this card is a deck that didn't have enough counters in the first place. Most of the time, it only gives you a fighting chance against decks that were heavily favored against you.

Listen, I am very used to argue against Swim and I question his role as the swarm intelligence of the LoR community whenever i can but in this single case he is absolutely right.

Its easyly the majority of championcards that loose their purpose when they get silenced its a great number of more expansive buff cards that lose their purpose, its a counter for frostbite, lets units survive deathmark ...

the list of uses is insanely long the number of devalued archetypes is almost as long as the list of meta viable decks. 

What that means is that once hush gets widespread enough we get a meta where raw unit stats matter more than clever combos and deck build around certain cards what was one of the core ideas of LoR so far. 

Hush is literally META BREAKING the way it works and forcing a demacia bannerman style meta on everyone once it gets widespread.

Its... not what the majority of skilled players would like to see.

I am very certain that hush won't take more than 2 weeks to draw the hate of the majority of players and get nerfed during the first 4 weeks of targon expansion because play enjoyment actually matters to riot.

Quote From TheTriferianGeneral

Quote From FortyDust

It turns out that this card actually has Swim terrified to the point that he posted a half-hour-long rant about it on YouTube. He says he's worried that it will destroy meta diversity. I think he's just upset that it's going to curb the polarizing, degenerate play style that he tends to favor.

Every deck that gets utterly wrecked by this card is a deck that didn't have enough counters in the first place. Most of the time, it only gives you a fighting chance against decks that were heavily favored against you.

Listen, I am very used to argue against Swim and I question his role as the swarm intelligence of the LoR community whenever i can but in this single case he is absolutely right.

Its easyly the majority of championcards that loose their purpose when they get silenced its a great number of more expansive buff cards that lose their purpose, its a counter for frostbite, lets units survive deathmark ...

the list of uses is insanely long the number of devalued archetypes is almost as long as the list of meta viable decks. 

What that means is that once hush gets widespread enough we get a meta where raw unit stats matter more than clever combos and deck build around certain cards what was one of the core ideas of LoR so far. 

Hush is literally META BREAKING the way it works and forcing a demacia bannerman style meta on everyone once it gets widespread.

Its... not what the majority of skilled players would like to see.

I am very certain that hush won't take more than 2 weeks to draw the hate of the majority of players and get nerfed during the first 4 weeks of targon expansion because play enjoyment actually matters to riot.

You act as if everyone's going to have 10 copies of it in their decks. More realistically, people will run one, MAYBE two. So, just like every other hard counter card, you learn to play around it.

People used to say Deny was destroying the meta, then it was Will of Ionia. Some players wanted those cards removed from the game. Both cards got a 1-mana nerf, and now they are fine -- literally no one complains about them anymore.

I don't think Hush even needs a mana nerf. I think people just need to see it in play and get used to it. As with every other "hated" card that has ever existed, a mature player should actually spend some time using the card -- actually running it in a deck -- before passing judgment. Once you have seen its strengths and weaknesses, only then do you have the right to complain. Until then, no one -- not me, not you, not even Swim -- has the right to call for the torches and pitchforks.