That's realy bad

the epic meme

The problem with this card is that it requires building your deck around it and the payoff is... Well it's pretty bad

Eh, its just a 3/4 that could possibly have some sort of synergy with cards like Dire Frenzy or any other methods of flooding the same minion type. Problem is the +3 attack isn't really anything to shout about, it doesn't seem to be worth the effort to enable it. There are also a bunch of 3 mana 3/4 to choose from now, each have their own ability that seems better than this.

Maybe Rogue can make it work? It curves into Shadow of Death.

Epic filler, useless in Constructed. 

It’s a fair arena card that will occasionally have extra attack. It’s also a contender for being put into Battlegrounds, and I have no idea how good it would be there.

I don't see this achieving much.

Even if you went full Shuffle you can't play more than 3 a turn...at that point they're just worse Pogo Hoppers

Hunter technically has the ability to combine them with Tundra Rhino, but even then, you'd need the Rhino to stick before you can do anything with the birds.

The best I can come up with (only as a meme) is to Scarlet Webweaver the bird, then Hunting Party twice, play a Tundra Rhino and charge 4 0-cost ravens into your opponents face for big damage. Wouldn't be the first Hunter OTK that noone played because it takes too much work to set up.

Good vanilla stats but it's effect isn't as easy to pull off. Maybe in Hunter with Dire Frenzy with support from Tundra Rhino and such.

Cool but very hard to pull off!

I could imagine this seeing play just as a 3/4 beast. There's very little additional bonus required to make a 3 mana 3/4 playable.

meme. just like desert obelisk. also this doesnt feel like a very fun meme either

At max it's a decent card for arena I guess .

Battlegrounds card :P

Unless Blizzard prints a card like Faceless Manipulator that floods the whole board, this will only see little play. The effect is difficult to get value out of.

if you love the mega combo wombo meme decks, this is your choice

OK stats for 3 mana, on the arena I would pick this. Overall pretty weak, this passive ability is very rare to happen

At a vanilla base stat line, this is certainly interesting, but without rush or charge or something like that, it may be hard to capitalize on the effect. Maybe there’s a fun Rogue deck that could make this work.

Turn 6 Scarlet Webweaver

Turn 7 Hunting Party

Turn 8 if raven, 9 if rhino discounted   Tundra Rhino + 3x Dread Raven  = 20 from hand

This feels more useful in battleground or some meme deck where you otk with duplicate copies..

Big potential card.

Spider Tank stats are always good, it should be good even if you don't build your entire deck around this card. Maybe we'll finally see Ramkahen Wildtamer or Hunting Party being played? I can imagine someone pulling an OTK combo with this and Tundra Rhino.

Looks like a battlegrounds card rather than a hearthstone card, other than that it's a decent arena card, don't see this card doing anything.. they keep printing "if you have more copies of this card in the field" so it reminds me of Desert Obelisk.

anyway I think this card belongs to battlegrounds and somehow found it's way to actual hs.

Stats are good, the effect is nice, but the +3 attack is not a worthy payoff for the work you put in to duplicate this bird.

This is just a 3/4 beast with an occasional ability. That is fine. I think the potential upsides from a few of the hunter cards is good enough that this can see additional play, but it doesn't have to be some crazy combo card. I think everyone is kind of harsh on completely playable cards. 

I mean, it's alright in arena simply for being a 3 mana 3/4, but other than that it is pretty trash. 

The only classes that have the ability to copy tons of minions have better minions to copy. 

So far the epic's of this set aren't too exciting, I hope the class epics are better than the neutral ones.

It's either decent turn 3 arena card or crazy Tundra Rhino combo. 
There is no in-between.

I can finally build Raven decks!

Dire Frenzy, Shadow of Death, Faceless and Floop come to mind, but would you really waste that many deck-slots for setting it up?

I think this could be useful in a waxadred style deck as an alternative target to copy, and worse case it's a very playable 3 drop.  Nice card.

Comboes well with Glinda Crowskin

Fun but not that good.

Duplicating your own minions/cards usually takes a while.

Maybe they will release another card that can be used more optimally with this?

Good arena card I suppose.

add in some Ramkahen Wildtamer, Hunting Party,  and Scarlet Webweaver and you have a OTK.

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This is just a 3/4 beast with an occasional ability. That is fine. I think the potential upsides from a few of the hunter cards is good enough that this can see additional play, but it doesn't have to be some crazy combo card. I think everyone is kind of harsh on completely playable cards. 

Why play this when you can play Nightmare Amalgam ? which you can also magnetize stuff to as well as have the beast synergies and use Lightfang Enforcer to buff it and your whole board (talking about the game mode this card is made for and won't be good there anyway)

The idea is good, but the effect not enough to be played.

I can see a whole new Hunter archetype coming, revolving around this card. It seems a sleeper card to me

I better start to like this card. I always draw most epic fillers more often than thrice while never getting the must haves. 

This card definitely has potential, many classes are capable of creating copies or getting more copies of a minion to your deck. Here comes the new rogue legendary to ruin your day though!

I moslty see this having potential in a hunter deck.

You can reduce its cost to 0 with Scarlet Webweaver than copy it with Ramkahen Wildtamer and Hunting Party. After that, you use Tundra Rhino to OTK your opoonent. With 3 Dread Ravens (3 minions with 9 attack, so 27 damage) and the Tundra Rhino (2 attack), you can deal 29 damage + 2 if you can use your hero power. So you don't need to copy too many Dread Ravens to make this work.

You could also use this as a solid 3 mana 3/4 beast and try to buff it with Dire Frenzy, but it does compete against Animal Companion and Diving Gryphon for that 3 mana minion slot.

It's a card with good stats, combo potential and the beast tag, I like it.

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Dire Frenzy, Shadow of Death, Faceless and Floop come to mind, but would you really waste that many deck-slots for setting it up?

Obviously not.

Its a pack filler with meme potential.

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Dire Frenzy, Shadow of Death, Faceless and Floop come to mind, but would you really waste that many deck-slots for setting it up?

Obviously not.

Its a pack filler with meme potential.

My question was mostly rhetorical, but obviously not enough ^^

Seems like this is the Desert Obelisk of the set, BUT its stats aren't garbage. 

Agreed that this minion basically only has value as a 3/4 beast, which is not actually bad, don't get me wrong. Just not very good either. The ability will usually be irrelevant.

I think we are forgetting that 2x can be run with no additional effort in a deck. No need for setup.

Surely, playing both in a sequence is still unlikely but look at this:

- turn-3: i play a Dread Raven

- at this point the opponent is forced to remove it (soft taunt), because of the risk of facing a 12/8 on next turn, turn-4.

Not to mention Dire Frenzy or similar efficient cloners. Or, as others said, the bare fact that a 3-3/4 Beast is still a nice play.

This card may not be OP, it might be just a Beast deck stuff, but this is by far NOT a meme.

It's like, if a card has OTK potential, then it is only valued in OTK terms, and the rest is overlooked...

This card has no direct downside, not even Tempo loss.

Good stats but the effect will be hard to pull off. Maybe priest or rouge will find a way to spam the board with these.

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I think we are forgetting that 2x can be run with no additional effort in a deck. No need for setup.

Surely, playing both in a sequence is still unlikely but look at this:

- turn-3: i play a Dread Raven

- at this point the opponent is forced to remove it (soft taunt), because of the risk of facing a 12/8 on next turn, turn-4.

Not to mention Dire Frenzy or similar efficient cloners. Or, as others said, the bare fact that a 3-3/4 Beast is still a nice play.

This card may not be OP, it might be just a Beast deck stuff, but this is by far NOT a meme.

It's like, if a card has OTK potential, then it is only valued in OTK terms, and the rest is overlooked...

This card has no direct downside, not even Tempo loss.

Cause Nightmare Amalgam is played in hunter decks just for the stats.. a 6/4 for 4(cause you are floating mana) is nothing spectacular this card is bad and I will have every epic I open this expansion be this card.

Why do we want to play that? There is nothing really usefull, it could have been better with +3HP.

A good 3 drop for arena. Right now i do not see any mechanics to make this card playable on ladder. But Blizzard might have some plans to support this card somehow in this or next expansion so let's see.

I think this card is more for a meme deck than actual competitive decks.

Stats are OK but without support this cards is super bad. Even if you could make a deck full of this guys it would still probably suck. It will be popular in tavern brawls though

It's going to do very minimum impact for now, I doubt it's gonna fit in somewhere.

This card might do something in a far future.

I like the effect, but would require a too messy setup to make it work properly. Is going to be the main character of a lot of memes tho.

In most situations it just ends up being a 3 mana 3/4, needs way too much build around to get the effect off

Interesting card, not sure how it will work in the meta, but it is interesting for sure.

will not see play in costructed, like the other spider tanks that don't have good effects. In arena is a 3/4 for 3 mana, so good.

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I think we are forgetting that 2x can be run with no additional effort in a deck. No need for setup.

Surely, playing both in a sequence is still unlikely but look at this:

- turn-3: i play a Dread Raven

- at this point the opponent is forced to remove it (soft taunt), because of the risk of facing a 12/8 on next turn, turn-4.

Not to mention Dire Frenzy or similar efficient cloners. Or, as others said, the bare fact that a 3-3/4 Beast is still a nice play.

This card may not be OP, it might be just a Beast deck stuff, but this is by far NOT a meme.

It's like, if a card has OTK potential, then it is only valued in OTK terms, and the rest is overlooked...

This card has no direct downside, not even Tempo loss.

Cause Nightmare Amalgam is played in hunter decks just for the stats.. a 6/4 for 4(cause you are floating mana) is nothing spectacular this card is bad and I will have every epic I open this expansion be this card.

1) Amalgam is no meme card indeed.

2) Raven has a better upside than Amalgam in Hunter (so far).

My point was exactly this: this Raven is not the meme everyone thinks it is. 

I mean, it looks like a meme card, but there is some potential with copying effects from Hunter, might actually make the cut for a deck, not a very good one tho.

I'm sure someone smarter than me can come up with some ponderous OTK off this beast, but sadly will be relegated to the bin of "meme Epics".

I'm not seeing it with that cost. Maybe some meme combo deck for Towelie or Dane to build for wil

meme. hunter otk? nah, hunter has plenty of better ways to kill u.

Will be seen in weird combo decks in trolden haha.

You better have Divine Shields on this thing and many of them.

To make this card strong you must to build a deck around it. In that case my question is: why do you want to play a clanky deck when you can play something else much stronger?

There are OTKs that can be made with various copies of this card and Tundra Rhino, but I don't know if they will be consistent enough to get this card out of meme status.

This card isn't a meme. You can say that a failed mechanic if it won't see play but you can't say that this is a meme.

good stats, good tag, Great upside, otk potential, nice tempo etc.

Btw, keep those in mind;

1- Some cards don't see play because of popularity, not because of they are bad.

2- Some cards are meant to exist in the game because of balance issues (low statted-high costed cards for balancing Evolve mechanics for example).

3- Some cards meant to be good in arena, not in ladder.


If you are playing only one mode, popular stuff etc., Some cards seem bad to you but it doesn't mean they are bad or they are designed for memes. You can say that Renounce Darkness is a meme card but it isn't same with this card.

Feels like a meme but could just be a good card just for it beast tag and high roll potensial.

I'm not expecting the OTK to actually be good, so probably won't see play

3 Mana 3/4 Beast. That's it.

Sure, you can Dire Frenzy, but why not use that on something bigger instead of a 3 Mana 3/4?

To get more than a 3/4, one has to build a deck around this card...

Good stats for an arena card, though.

While its definitely not a tier 1 card, i think its DECENT at least. Solid stats with beast tag and a little gimmick.

Meme-worthy card. Obvious synergy with anything that shuffles more copies into your deck like Dire Frenzy or generates copies on board. Probably too hard to pull off consistently but someone will do it.

OK in arena for its stats, but hard to pull off in constructed.

It's the type of card that doesn't seem good and then someone finds a very cool combo and it becomes a very good card.  A combo with a Hunter deck it's the only thing that comes to mind.  

Could be cute with Sapphire Spellstone in Wild, or maybe you play it with beast or copy cards.
Might not be very good, or might be broken, though I doubt it.

Sole purpuse of this card is to bring another challenge to MarkMcKz when figuring how possibly win with this. At least have solid stats fo Arena. 

I find this very underwhelming. Maybe if it had a useful deathrattle or something...maybe?