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Ayyy so this miniset is super cool and special to me because I was responsible for doing the first pass of all the cards! Some stuck, some changed, and I wanna give some insight into how the cards came to be as they get revealed! https://t.co/tlCg4P0jwV

Ayyy so this miniset is super cool and special to me because I was responsible for doing the first pass of all the cards! Some stuck, some changed, and I wanna give some insight into how the cards came to be as they get revealed! https://t.co/tlCg4P0jwV

  • MyntyPhresh

    Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
    Ayyy so this miniset is super cool and special to me because I was responsible for doing the first pass of all the cards! Some stuck, some changed, and I wanna give some insight into how the cards came to be as they get revealed! https://t.co/tlCg4P0jwV
    • MyntyPhresh

      Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
      Murder Accusation - the first in a cycle! Accuse a minion, then "find" the evidence to deem them GUILTY Dew Process - a 10/10 name @hsdecktech came up with. the effect changed in final though! Totemic Evidence - a tweaked take on Infuse! You may see more for other minion types :) https://t.co/VHXXYTQrdj
      • MyntyPhresh

        Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
        Sylvanas - obviously this is a spin on her OG design, but I knew I wanted her to be the biggest infuse number we have on a card The Jailer - hehe... the goal here was a messed-up game-ender but with a huge downside. @Songbird_HS and i brainstormed together and ended up with this! https://t.co/AXQS5TFBwt
        • Cora

          Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
          @MyntyPhresh In the words of @GallonHS, the Jailer is a messed up Hearthstone card lol.
          • Mitchell Loewen

            Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
            @Songbird_HS @MyntyPhresh @GallonHS I can hear him saying that in my head
          • MyntyPhresh

            Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
            @Songbird_HS @GallonHS im a big fan of whenever edward says that about a card
        • MyntyPhresh

          Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
          Soul Seeker & Afterlife Attendant - neither of these are even close to my initial designs, but they are EONS cooler than what I put lolol Tight-Lipped Witness - after @Songbird_HS lost a tourney match to a random Deathwarden, I felt the need to make another 3mana 2/5 tech card https://t.co/Ydap3y6mJg
          • MyntyPhresh

            Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
            Prosecutor Mel'tranix - DH was due a miniset legendary, but there wasnt an existing character that felt right, so we made a new one! Her effect really feels like she's locking you down with her prosecution https://t.co/K07tFzKqOB
            • MyntyPhresh

              Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
              Perjury - thematically, Rogues aren't telling the truth in court. mechanically, burgling Secrets opens up many paths for Rogue, plus this staying up for a turn gives security for Halkias's effect! Stenographer - a simple but sweet card that adds more output to their flurry deck! https://t.co/DKEfAsyUEO
              • MyntyPhresh

                Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                Imp-oster - hehe pun. a cheap transform like this is possible but still strong bc the narrow Imp funnel Habeus Corpses - hehe pun. the design was always a temp res to match the name Arson Accusation - a cool combo with Life Tap! but also works on its own if the minion attacks you https://t.co/EeW5XKBvmn
                • MyntyPhresh

                  Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                  Clear Conscience - A solid buff spell that proves a minion to be so innocent, they can't be targeted by stuff! Incriminating Psychic - SECRET AGENT, COMING THROUGH Identity Theft - the final accusation! this one lets Thief Priest take care of threats preeeetty efficiently https://t.co/jhg7u0Mgw7
                  • MyntyPhresh

                    Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                    Nathanos - if Sylvanas is on trial, theres only one person fit to be her defense attourney! The design came from me looking at the Myra Rotspring art on my wall and thinking "huh, what if we did that but MORE?" https://t.co/M34KmvSLbu
                    • MyntyPhresh

                      Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                      Motion Denied - name came first, design came later. tbh I cant remember my initial design lol Shadehound - effect was always similar but my original pitch was "Infuse: Become a Beast with Charge" whos buff could hit itself. read a bit weird + we couldnt find a flavor-fit we loved https://t.co/n6bADsE6dw
                      • MyntyPhresh

                        Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                        Jury Duty - a kinda-Arbor Up for Dude Paladin! Class Action Lawyer - this was another banger @hsdecktech name suggestion! Order in the Court - i knew this name HAD to be a card, and at first it was just the polkelt effect. card was eh, so iirc @SirSlimHS suggested adding draw! https://t.co/FSCZkclKIA
                        • MyntyPhresh

                          Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                          Call to the Stand - originally this was a big warrior card, but this design is loads cooler Weapons Expert - im 90% sure this was a @Songbird_HS design; always feels good to play! Mawsworn Bailiff - iirc this design/character came in pretty late, not a lot of insight to give :( https://t.co/kY36J0euFw
                          • MyntyPhresh

                            Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                            All Fel Breaks Loose & Sightless Magistrate - both of these are total redesigns from my first designs, and ima be honest I dont remember much about them LOL. I do remember trying to do an Infuse (X Naga) for DH, but Demons felt more at home for the class https://t.co/mwCndcsI0n
                            • Cora

                              Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                              @MyntyPhresh Sightless Magistrate is a reference to blind justice, and I believe we had the character before the design so we made something symmetrical because that's "fair". Not sure about the origin of All Fel.
                              • MyntyPhresh

                                Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                @Songbird_HS Oh one small tidbit about All Fel Breaks Loose is that Cora and I had to workshop the textbox because using the "Resurrect" wording - although shorter - made a reaaal ugly textbox. Funny how more words made this textbox readable lololol
                            • MyntyPhresh

                              Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                              Ok these 2 Druid cards get their own post bc i got a lot to say for each Attourney-at-Maw - my proudest design of this set flavor-wise. Not only bc of the name, but the Choose One effect is judging a minion as either GUILTY and Silencing them or INNOCENT and making them Immune! https://t.co/cKJ5IJ53Y3
                              • MyntyPhresh

                                Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                Incarceration - i LOVED the Forbidden cards from WotOG, so the original version of this spent all your mana and made a minion go Dormant for that many turns. Dormant-ing a minion for 10 (or even 20!) turns was hilarious to me, but felt bad even though it wasn't really a good play https://t.co/vmoihLtirF
                                • MyntyPhresh

                                  Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                  Life Sentence - originally this was a DH card, but DH doesnt get hard removal and this is premium stuff lol. Negates deathrattles AND removes it from the res pool Contract Conjurer - i think this was always a Secret-related dude, but this design came up towards the end of dev! https://t.co/15m6SdRPHE
                                  • MyntyPhresh

                                    Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                    Objection gets its own post - my first pitch was "After your opponent spends 5 or more Mana in a turn, end their turn". I wanted to push the envelope of what we could do with disruptive Secrets, and that went too far haha. The current design is a lot healthier, but still spicy 👀 https://t.co/UpshAICEiB
                                    • MyntyPhresh

                                      Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                      Framester - OG design had you look at your opponent's hand and secretly give a card Overload. cant speak to the change, BUT @Songbird_HS has a story about its flavor text 🫘 Custodian - cant speak to the design but i loved having this huge, menacing, floating hand as a custodian https://t.co/zgqQYEjWrm
                                      • Cora

                                        Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                        @MyntyPhresh Custodian was a 3 mana card with this same effect for a while, but when we got the art back it was a huge character. So we just made it bigger. :D
                                        • Rblhcx

                                          Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                          @Songbird_HS @MyntyPhresh 8 mana it's a lot of mana 🤔
                                          • Cora

                                            Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                            @Rblhcx @MyntyPhresh Yeah, maybe too big. There are a couple mini-set cards that I'd like to be more playable than they probably are. We'll keep an eye on them.
                                      • MyntyPhresh

                                        Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                        aaaaaand I guess that's that! hopefully y'all enjoyed reading this, and hopefully y'all are excited to play with the new cards! :D
                                        • machadogps

                                          Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                          @MyntyPhresh Loved the insights Leo! Favorite archetype for the miniset launch?
                                          • MyntyPhresh

                                            Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                            @machadogps Any deck with The Jailer >:)
                                      • RidiculousHat

                                        Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                        @MyntyPhresh @Songbird_HS just to confirm, when you draw the framester cards, you lose the crystals *the following turn* and not the same turn, right
                                        • MyntyPhresh

                                          Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                          @RidiculousHat @Songbird_HS im p sure, yeah. if the opponent somehow draws them on your turn, they would lose the crystals on their upcoming turn
                                          • RidiculousHat

                                            Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                            @MyntyPhresh @Songbird_HS right, so it works the same way - overload means "put locks under the bar" and then when they next gain mana the locks cover some of them
                                            • MyntyPhresh

                                              Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                              @RidiculousHat @Songbird_HS ya
                                      • Chadd Nervigg

                                        Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                        @MyntyPhresh @Songbird_HS My main memory of Framester is us trying to figure out the right name. The concept was there: A sneaky character that is framing someone for a crime. But what do you CALL someone who frames someone else?! "Framer"? Nah. "Framejob Artist"? Nope... Finally settled on Framester.
                                        • Chadd Nervigg

                                          Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                          @MyntyPhresh @Songbird_HS Art is another place where this one was tough. The concept was that she was framing someone by slipping some incriminating evidence into their pocket, like a reverse-pickpocket. But how do you make that reverse direction clear in a static image?! Hopefully name+art+flavor clear.
                                    • Gambito_HS

                                      Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                      @MyntyPhresh Could you explain why this is not getting a spell school tag? Just because it doesn’t get repeated by Varden’s Battlecry? Thought all spells would get tags going forward where it made sense (and this is clearly in the arcane realm)
                                      • MyntyPhresh

                                        Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                        @Gambito_HS yeah theres probably gameplay reasons why this shouldnt be tagged, but i also think this makes sense as untyped - it's just a dude pointing! haha
                                    • SilentNickHS

                                      Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                      @MyntyPhresh What happen eith a battlecry minion? Does the battlecry and then get countered? And what if it’s a minion that destroy secrets?
                                      • MyntyPhresh

                                        Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                        @SilentNickHS This is a "When" trigger, which means it happens before the minion enters the battlefield and thus before the battlecry
                                    • ChaosOS_59

                                      Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                      @MyntyPhresh Any thoughts on how Objection and Counterspell also shut down anti-secret tech? Would it be better for stuff like the SI:7 infiltrator to get Cannot Be Countered?
                                      • MyntyPhresh

                                        Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                        @ChaosOS_59 Counter is such a niche thing that shows up on very few cards, so adding a counter-Counter would feel out of place imo
                                • TheNine13986429

                                  Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                  @MyntyPhresh That’s a real shame. A play like that is so impractical that it feels like it’d be totally fine for it to function as just a kill spell. I feel like we missed a really funny card
                                  • MyntyPhresh

                                    Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                    @TheNine13986429 It was a bit excessive lol. There was also some weirdness with spending 1 mana to kinda silence/freeze a minion, which we thought wasnt great. 3 turns was often the most played version, so the version we shipped with is still good!
                                • machadogps

                                  Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                  @MyntyPhresh Guff putting someone to sleep for 20 turns :o
                                  • MyntyPhresh

                                    Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                    @machadogps I did it ONCE during a playtest and i think that was the nail in the coffin lolol
                              • mattatarms

                                Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                @MyntyPhresh Assuming Fandral effect silences the minion and then makes it immune?
                                • MyntyPhresh

                                  Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                  @mattatarms It should!
                              • MyntyPhresh

                                Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                                Also i was so hyped when I saw @AlexStoneArt was doing the art for this card. He did a killer job and I cant wait for people to see the token art too!!!
                      • ChaosOS_59

                        Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                        @MyntyPhresh Was Motion Denied always a secret?
                        • MyntyPhresh

                          Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                          @ChaosOS_59 yup! we toyed around with effects in the "denial" space but we couldn't find anything we really liked
            • V_G50

              Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
              @MyntyPhresh https://t.co/2x0yTKFmxW She does exist as far as I can tell 🤔
              • MyntyPhresh

                Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                @V_G50 What the heck @Songbird_HS im not crazy, right? Did she get added to WoW bc of us or vice versa???
          • ChaosOS_59

            Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
            @MyntyPhresh @Songbird_HS Does tight-lipped witness work against secret choices, like Okani and Fatespinner?
            • MyntyPhresh

              Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
              @ChaosOS_59 @Songbird_HS It shouldn't! Should just affect regular ol' Secrets
          • MyntyPhresh

            Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
            more seriously, Tight-Lipped Witness felt like an interesting textbox that was thematically at-home in the miniset! plus, we got to revisit a fun unique character from Monster Hunt :) https://t.co/7XSyVnRd94
        • V_G50

          Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
          @MyntyPhresh @Songbird_HS Altimor has Infuse 8 tho
          • MyntyPhresh

            Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
            @V_G50 @Songbird_HS dang it I originally put Sylvanas in as Infuse (10) but that was too high :P
        • Alucard_bu

          Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
          @MyntyPhresh @Songbird_HS Waiting for cool achievements too 🤠
          • MyntyPhresh

            Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
            @Alucard_bu @Songbird_HS oh god two threads????? D:
            • Alucard_bu

              Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
              @MyntyPhresh @Songbird_HS I’m so sorry Leo 🤣
              • MyntyPhresh

                Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
                @Alucard_bu @Songbird_HS how about this: this is the miniset of the murder MYSTERY set, so... achievements will be a mystery :o
      • shoutingboy

        Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
        @MyntyPhresh @Songbird_HS @hsdecktech How does Murder Accusation work? Do I target one minion, and it dies after *aby* enemy dies? Or do I target two minions— the one killed by the card, and the enemy whose death triggers the killing?
        • MyntyPhresh

          Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
          @shoutingboy @Songbird_HS @hsdecktech The former! You only choose one minion, who then dies when any other enemy minion dies from other causes
          • shoutingboy

            Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
            @MyntyPhresh Got it! So I could, for example, target my own Naval Mine even if there aren’t any enemy minions on the board?
            • MyntyPhresh

              Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
              @shoutingboy Yup!
    • TonicNova

      Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
      @MyntyPhresh I must say I'm a bit sceptical about the card design in order to fit puns. Shouldn't it be the other way around where you design a card that's fun to play/not frustrating to play against and make sure it fits in well into the class/meta and then after that see if puns work out?
      • TonicNova

        Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
        @MyntyPhresh Like, would paladin have gotten an effect of 'order your deck' if it weren't for the pun? I kinda doubt it honestly. These are very cool thematically, but a bit *too* thematic for my liking if that makes sense. Either way I'll be glad to be proven wrong soon :)
        • MyntyPhresh

          Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
          @TonicNova Yeah that sentiment is fair, though i think minisets are a great space to make cool stand-alone cards with how small scale they are. Its also a different design style - im a very top-down designer, so i like to start with fun characters/themes that inspire mechanics.
          • MyntyPhresh

            Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
            @TonicNova its also not always clear what a class is lacking going into a miniset during dev time since the miniset is a part of the main sets dev time. if we do find it, we do make pivots (Sightless Magistrate changed to help the low-hand DH deck deep into the minisets development)
    • coolboypai

      Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
      @MyntyPhresh Does that mean you were tasked with creating 35 initial ideas? to be refined by the rest of the team afterwards?
      • MyntyPhresh

        Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
        @coolboypai essentially, yeah! i basically made the "first pass" or "rough draft" of the miniset, with ideas for card cycles, card names, individual designs, etc. then once that was in, everyone just playtests and makes changes/tweaks from there!
    • opaldiia

      Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
      @MyntyPhresh @ben_heathstone can you explain Murder Accusation’s card text? It says "Choose a minion." But the second sentence assumes that you picked an enemy minion by saying "after another enemy minion dies.”
      • MyntyPhresh

        Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
        @opaldiia @ben_heathstone You can choose any minion - we figured in most cases youre picking an enemy minon, but yeah we did talk about the wording on this card a bit
    • MyntyPhresh

      Posted 3 years, 2 months ago (Source)
      And also super duper shout out to @hsdecktech for giving me some amazing starting points for the cards. He made a whole document of lawyer-y terms and things and it made the card miniset soooo much better! https://t.co/wPXk5g2ThH



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