New Demon Hunter Minion - Zai, the Incredible

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A new Legendary Demon Hunter Minion, Zai, the Incredible, has been revealed!

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  • Arthas's Avatar
    Robot Black Lotus 1265 5754 Posts Joined 03/10/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    A new Legendary Demon Hunter Minion, Zai, the Incredible, has been revealed!

    Zai, the Incredible Card Image

    Discuss this card below or head on over to the card page to give it a rating!


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  • BloodMefist's Avatar
    Old God Fanatic 850 804 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    It's got some potential as one of the few ways DH can get non-draw card advantage, and it is a lot of advantage, but it seems too slow for DH's style.  The statline is just so poor and doesn't seem like it will see play outside of control DH, which remains to see high-tier viability.

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  • FrostyFeet's Avatar
    Senior Writer Derpcorn 2170 1449 Posts Joined 10/20/2018
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    Barring maybe some weird combo decks, this card seems outright bad to me. Weak stats for its cost and requires a lot of setup if you have certain copy targets in mind. With the cards revealed so far I can't imagine this seeing play.

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  • Tetsuo's Avatar
    Magma Rager 840 638 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    I don't think this fits any tempo-based DH deck since it seems too slow. It could be a great tool for a control deck (like a Big Demons deck or something), which I would love to try. 

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  • UVE's Avatar
    1180 832 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    It's just a combo card.

    Duplicate your Twin Slices, then combine them with Il'gynoth and Aldrachi Warblades.

    It's my first idea, but there Will be better combos for sure.

    By The Holy Light!

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  • Caro's Avatar
    Draconic Rager 2225 2544 Posts Joined 03/12/2020
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    Aggressively stated, but the effect belongs in a more value orientated control deck, so this card is a weird mix. Doubt it will see play unless a wild OTK combo appears

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  • slychd's Avatar
    Sparklepony 1175 484 Posts Joined 05/30/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    This card has an interesting effect, I'm not quite sure what type of deck it would go in, but it's early and all the cards haven't been revealed yet, so we will wait and see.

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  • JackJimson's Avatar
    670 673 Posts Joined 11/19/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    I think the card is very hard to use especially for its cost.

    It's hard to do some hand manipulation when you have, at most, 5 mana to work with.

    I feel this has a better place in an aggro DH deck as a top end for more gas.

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  • dapperdog's Avatar
    Dragon Scholar 1890 5610 Posts Joined 07/29/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    There's plenty of potential for this card, especially in combo and control. But precisely because of that we know this will probably not see play until more support are revealed. Its stats and cost is perhaps too forbidding to purposefully play it in anything else other than combo or control.

    In any case, we can almost be certain that some form of tempo or soul dhunter will be dominating the class in the next expansion, all the more pity that an interesting and powerful value card will get sidelined until further notice.

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  • Brandon's Avatar
    Old God Fanatic 1350 2486 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    Zai, the Incredible is a interesting card that actually has a lot of synergy with outcast cards like Twin Slice. But i feel like the REAL synergy is to copy cards like Skull of Gul'dan for even more draw, mana cheating and tempo plays. Actually copying a Skull of Gul'dan on turn 5 with Zai, the Incredible, and playing Skull of Gul'dan on turn 6 & 7 might be the strongest combo for Zai, the Incredible. Can't wait to try this combo in a C'Thun DH deck! (Maybe i can finally pull Brann Bronzebeard or C'Thun for once with Skull of Gul'dan..) 

    Standard: I think this will see play in aggro DH, Combo DH and Soul DH. What? That's nearly every DH Deck? Well yeah, cuz it's a great card! 

    Wild: It's ODD Costed, so do i even need to mention anything else? That deck will probably experiment with it at the very least.

    Overall Zai, the Incredible seems like a strong card with a lot of SCARY potential. Not OP Strong, but still really strong. Zai, the Incredible is pretty... incredible. (ba dum tss.) 

    RNG is only fun as long as there is a 50/50 chance of getting something really good or trash level of bad. If RNG always results in something good, then it's not fun.

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  • Sparkinarius's Avatar
    Crossroads Historian 715 471 Posts Joined 07/18/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    This card just doesn't seem worth it in DH when you consider the fast pace the class moves at and how slow this card is. Comparing Zai, the Incredible to Ringmaster Whatley, Whatley adds more cards to hand, requires less set up to gain the maximum benefit from their effect, and has a better stat line that is more resistant to minion trades and the many ways to deal 3 damage to a minion. It seems better to me to just run more card draw rather than Zai if you're looking for more resources in hand as the card draw will provide you consistent resource quality both on demand and without the setup.

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  • economicaooc's Avatar
    460 464 Posts Joined 03/04/2020
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    If a slower Demon Hunter deck that uses this to get extra copies of a combo piece + removal/taunt/etc., this could be good. The problem, as always, is that no such deck currently exists, but maybe this set will change that. Not likely to see play in odd DH, but hopeful to see this in another deck for DH.

    This post is discussing the wild format.

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  • FieselFitz's Avatar
    Prince Charming 1105 1355 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    Even tough i think this will be to slow for Tempo DH i still think this could see play in different decks but also in some Tempo Lists.

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  • DoubleSummon's Avatar
    Ancestral Recall 1585 2271 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    5 mana 5/3 draw 2, while you can manipulate which 2 cards you want and if they were out casted they still are and can be activated again..

    Dunno why the first commenter saying it's bad, the floor value of this card is already very high, and if you get the good result (more copies of twin slice for example, or more eye beams) it's really valuable

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  • Thraxus's Avatar
    1060 339 Posts Joined 05/08/2020
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    Its a decent card and a really good addition to control DH (if this should be a thing). I would probably include this into any non-aggro DH deck. You are all too focused on the combo potential (too clunky), in my opinion this is a control value card and not a combo enabler in the first place.

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  • Psymon's Avatar
    Red Riding Hood 1505 371 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    Could be nice copying an "Outcasted" card but seems to have very low impact when played. Besides that is pretty "expensive" as a legendary, it should be epic at least in my opinion.

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  • Melliflue's Avatar
    410 81 Posts Joined 06/01/2020
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    I thought generating cards was supposed to be a weakness of DH. They already have excellent card-draw. A legendary minion that generates cards feels out of place in DH. Interacting with left/right-most cards in hand is the the demon hunter part of it, but otherwise it would look fine a Shaman or Mage or Priest or Rogue card; the classes that are good at generating cards.

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  • aposteljoe's Avatar
    COMMENT_COUNT_600_HS 1170 644 Posts Joined 06/18/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    Would be broken in Mage or Priest. In DH it probably won't be played, if there won't be a broken combo.

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  • PopeNeia's Avatar
    Darkmaster 640 841 Posts Joined 07/06/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    This card seems way too situational and slow to be played imo. I mean, best case scenario you probably copy another Lapidary or a Bladed Lady and go face, but like I said, just way too slow. Either that or you need a low curve to vomit everything out at once, but apart from Stiltstepper and Twin Slice, DH does not really have any high impact cards that can be outcasted and played on the same turn.

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  • ElSabidon's Avatar
    Salty Dog 1030 685 Posts Joined 06/07/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    Ok, so while the card is a pretty interesting one, I can't seem to find where I can slide them in:

    • Aggro DH doesn't want a 5 mana 5/3 and has better draw;
    • Soul Fragment DH can make use of the card to make more Soulshard Lapidarys or Twin Slices for extra burst but Il'gynoth can also represent that while being cheaper and harder to remove
    • Token DH simply doesn't have a reason to use this nor does it have the time to summon a 5 mana 5/3 that doesn't summon tokens
    • Big Demon DH likes to keep their demons on their deck to cheat them out and to not clog their hand. However, in this archetype, there is merit in playing this card for generating more answers, which is important because Demon Hunter has very few cards purely designed to answer threats in their arsenal. But even in this scenario, you're probably behind on board and summoning a 5/3 for 5 mana that can be answered swiftly while keeping up pressure on you.

    In short, Zai, the Incredible is really cool, but really awkward.

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  • Pezman's Avatar
    Staff Writer 2235 2285 Posts Joined 06/03/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    Remember how Demon Hunter's weakness was supposed to be card generation? So much for that.

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  • Trimutius's Avatar
    1580 2533 Posts Joined 03/16/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    I can see this working but very meta dependent...

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  • FortyDust's Avatar
    Pumpkin 1205 1912 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    I, for one, do not mind seeing DH get a so-so legendary.

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  • KANSAS's Avatar
    Old God Fanatic 1745 2912 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    Imagine a combo deck with Il'gynoth, Aldrachi Warblades, and Twin Slice. You could play the Warblades and use Zai to copy the Twin Slice. Then next turn play Il'gynoth and six slices for a grand total of 28 damage.

    I don't know if this card will be used at all, but it will definitely be fun to play around with.

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  • DescentOfDragonsOp's Avatar
    530 353 Posts Joined 12/02/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    we always love that outcast Synergy

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  • Demonxz95's Avatar
    Senior Writer 2255 2708 Posts Joined 03/19/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    This is a bit of a strange card. I like the effect, although due to its medium-Cost of 5, it'll be hard to use it effectively. At least the card in the left always stays Outcasted, but the card on the right you've gotta play this turn or it will lose its Outcast. That is assuming that you even hit Outcast cards.

    Obviously, the ability to copy ANY card is obviously quite good, but it's hard to use with this card. Maybe it'll see play? Wouldn't surprise me if it didn't though.

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  • DarkFrostX's Avatar
    Old God Fanatic 830 1229 Posts Joined 07/26/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    Haha my thoughts exactly.
    Good resume.

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  • Hydrafrog's Avatar
    Gul'dan 1840 3268 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    I think that this will be an auto-include in pretty much every DH build.  For 5 mana, you get 2 more cards to play, which is something that DH REALLY wants without necessarily having to spend mana to draw more cards... and add that you get 5/3 body with it?  Not bad at all.  Granted it can die to most board control out there, the fact that you could potentially get 2 more pain in the ass copies of cards that your opponent really doesn't want you to have... that is tough to beat 

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  • NegativeNemsy's Avatar
    405 206 Posts Joined 07/10/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    I don't see how this is going to be bad.  It going to be so much fun playing against 2x Metamorphosis.  Were probably going to get some more broken outcast effects in the next 4 expansions and this card will copy them and put them in or close to the outcast position.  I can't stand this class and wish it could be deleted.

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  • SilverWolf's Avatar
    Tauren Chieftain Addict 990 1085 Posts Joined 04/01/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    The best scenario is when you can copy outcast cards, but it requires a lot of setup and maybe is too slow right now

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  • Horus's Avatar
    Detective Pikachu 2575 3348 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago
    Quote From FrostyFeet

    Barring maybe some weird combo decks, this card seems outright bad to me. Weak stats for its cost and requires a lot of setup if you have certain copy targets in mind. With the cards revealed so far I can't imagine this seeing play.

    Think it'll be less about certain target(s) and more about tempo gain with added value for situational.
    As weak as the stats may be, I do think it will see play - time will tell

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  • KillaFIsh's Avatar
    375 250 Posts Joined 07/10/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    It's a tutored draw-type effect that puts the cards in optimal outcast positions.  Also allows you to have multiple copies of Legendaries, which could be fun with some of the Old Gods for control DH (If that's a thing).  Seems fun and pretty strong.

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  • MenacingBagel's Avatar
    Zombie Chow 815 723 Posts Joined 09/24/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    Eh seems strong some duplication never hurt anyone but where does it put the copies? Next to their clones or to the far right of your hand?

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  • Wrobelovitz's Avatar
    255 20 Posts Joined 07/21/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    Pretty meh compared to the other legendary

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  • NebuchadnezzarHS's Avatar
    Supporter 2035 1411 Posts Joined 06/14/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    Cool card, but hate the stats... then again, having better stats would make it OP probably.

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  • Lundy's Avatar
    Little Devil Teemo 1555 707 Posts Joined 06/21/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    Too slow, and just not as good as the other Legendary. Won't see much play outside of experimentation.

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  • ShadowsOfSense's Avatar
    1500 1111 Posts Joined 10/23/2018
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    Great as a combo card, fine enough as just some additional value generation. She has aggressive stats (though obviously bad for the cost) which is fine, that's really what you want in Demon Hunter anyway. I'll be running her in all my lists.

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  • Fisguinho's Avatar
    The Raven 1190 411 Posts Joined 05/28/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    Bad stats, card generation tho

    All hail the banshee queen.

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  • Input's Avatar
    470 259 Posts Joined 06/01/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    One day we will see a good combo. Not this expansion, but we're getting there.

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  • randomfan's Avatar
    Elemental 1255 744 Posts Joined 03/17/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    I just don't see this one having a place in Demon Hunter right now. It would require some serious hand manipulation to be able to target what you want to copy and that would often mess up your outcast targets.

    Unfortunately, common sense isn't as common as it should be.

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  • Geno9999's Avatar
    Metrognome 1620 1217 Posts Joined 11/10/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    Might actually be a bit awkward to copy the cards you want, the right side especially.

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  • sule's Avatar
    Dinosaur 830 995 Posts Joined 08/21/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    Good value, terrible stats.

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  • Draketh's Avatar
    Darkmaster 1570 1395 Posts Joined 04/02/2019
    Posted 4 years, 1 month ago

    A fun card, but I can't think of a practical way that will earn it a spot in any deck

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  • Horus's Avatar
    Detective Pikachu 2575 3348 Posts Joined 05/29/2019
    Posted 3 years ago

    And a year later, the copy I opened is patiently awaiting for its time to shine ... will it come?
    Only dust can tell ^^

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