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Well this just saddens me. Apparently I'm relentlessly toxic and a detriment to the community from a dev I've always had the upmost respect for, always praised, and have always been nothing but cordial too. I guess things make a bit more sense now but still feels fucking awful https://t.co/XwWpf7XoeP

Well this just saddens me. Apparently I'm relentlessly toxic and a detriment to the community from a dev I've always had the upmost respect for, always praised, and have always been nothing but cordial too. I guess things make a bit more sense now but still feels fucking awful https://t.co/XwWpf7XoeP

  • ZeddyHS
    Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
    Well this just saddens me. Apparently I'm relentlessly toxic and a detriment to the community from a dev I've always had the upmost respect for, always praised, and have always been nothing but cordial too. I guess things make a bit more sense now but still feels fucking awful https://t.co/XwWpf7XoeP

    • Cora
      Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
      @ZeddyHS People saying we don't want to make the game better is the biggest kick to the teeth, and we hear it all the damn time. I think you're a good guy Zeddy. I also think you've fed drama and witch hunting that has hurt people.

      • ZeddyHS
        Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
        @Songbird_HS I want to be clear I don't agree with the original tweets stance on the devs not wanting a better game at all and have never even hinted at that. Drama/witch hunting is something I don't actively try and do but have been guilty of and am always trying to improve

        • coL_Sottle
          Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
          @ZeddyHS @Songbird_HS "I accept my mistakes and will try and improve" is a great page out of the playbook but it requires follow up. In your video where you show the "nice" things you've said to Celestalon, they contain apologies for your behaviour. Has your behavior observably changed since then?

          • Cora
            Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
            @coL_Sottle @ZeddyHS Wait, there's a video?

        • Cora
          Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
          @ZeddyHS Ok, let me try to put this into perspective. You make a video about beef with one dev. Comments on that video are "Hearthstone devs suck." "Hearthstone devs are assholes." "Devs are trash and the game is trash." It blows back onto all of us. Your audience sees us as the enemy.

          • Cora
            Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
            @ZeddyHS They genuinely hate us and think that bullying us is protecting you. I know that's not what you intend, but that's the reality of the situation. Your reach and your words have power.

            • Cora
              Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
              @ZeddyHS I will always always always advocate for a heel. I think that's good fucking content. The heel vs. The establishment is a damn classic. But it's not fun anymore. Devs aren't corporate Blizzard and Chadd isn't Vince McMahon.

              • Sgt_Tbag
                Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
                @Songbird_HS @ZeddyHS It's unfair to blame Zeddy for others comments. As a notorious critic of HS he will attract frustrated players so they can vent. Unfortunately some of them lack emotional intelligence and spout hateful comments. These individuals would still make these comments w/ or w/o Zeddys

                • Sgt_Tbag
                  Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
                  @Songbird_HS @ZeddyHS influence, they just happen to gravitate to him because not many others are openly critical. I like Zeddy and his content even though I disagree with half the stuff he says and appreciate the dev team as well. The vocal minority doesn't speak for most of us in the community.

                  • Cora
                    Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
                    @Sgt_Tbag @ZeddyHS Yeah, I agree. 99% of the time it's a vocal minority causing problems. They can cause real damage though, and I think too often these groups are written off as being inconsequential. I'm not saying it's easy to combat it, but I think he's obligated to try, if that makes sense.

            • facefaxe
              Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
              @Songbird_HS @ZeddyHS You are a dev team he is one guy one of your devs going after him and community managers going after him has a much bigger impact than just one guy with a small following do you not care about the mental toll it takes to always be told your the problem

              • Cora
                Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
                @facefaxe @ZeddyHS Of course I'm empathetic. I literally quit casting because it took such a negative toll on my mental health. I've been in similar shoes. I'm not a dev team though, I'm a person. So is Celestalon. And frankly, Zeddy's audience is loads bigger than mine.

            • ParaSightPlays
              Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
              @Songbird_HS @ZeddyHS Cora, first I want to thank you for being open and honest. I think everyone can agree that more honesty is something we all need. As someone who has been a daily absorber of Zeddy's content for roughly 9 months (aware of the history) I just want to put my two cents in. (1/8)

              • ParaSightPlays
                Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
                @Songbird_HS @ZeddyHS I think you’re right that he’s fed into drama and witch hunting, intentional or not. I’ve seen him own up to his transgressions and admit where he went wrong and try to work on those areas. I think Zeddy does himself a disservice when it comes to PR in those moments...(2/8)

                • ParaSightPlays
                  Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
                  @Songbird_HS @ZeddyHS as most see it as inciting drama or something akin to it - where I see it as a way to vent, talk it out, so that he can move on. Interpretation can be as good as it can be bad. “Your reach and your words have power” is one point we cannot disagree on at all. (3/8)

                  • ParaSightPlays
                    Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
                    @Songbird_HS @ZeddyHS I wish for Zeddy’s own mental health that he would stop caring what is said about him, but as you know how mental health goes, that just doesn't happen - especially when you respect the person who says it or it feels like “everyone” is saying it. (4/8)

                    • ParaSightPlays
                      Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
                      @Songbird_HS @ZeddyHS I used to not be able to stand Zeddy. He knows this. I’ve told him directly. The trashy comments like you’ve mentioned do my head in because of exactly what you’ve seen, those comments represent “his audience” and discredit the majority who aren’t assholes. (5/8)

                      • ParaSightPlays
                        Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
                        @Songbird_HS @ZeddyHS Pair it with the known history and self-admitted inexcusable behaviour and hey presto, you’ve got your branding, good luck shaking it. I feel pain for Zeddy when people use his name as a scapegoat to flame because it undermines any valid points he tries to make...(6/8)

                        • ParaSightPlays
                          Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
                          @Songbird_HS @ZeddyHS and by extension, anyone who supports him is branded as toxic etc. Some of the replies in this thread are an example, as an active member in his community, most of the names who have chosen hostility aren’t ones I recognise at all - but to anyone else they “represent” us. (7/8)

                          • ParaSightPlays
                            Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
                            @Songbird_HS @ZeddyHS Just as devs are beyond tired of hearing “devs are trash”, “devs don’t care”, it isn’t a huge leap to see how someone could get tired of hearing “you’re so toxic”, “why play if you hate it” etc when it just isn’t true and you try to show it. (8/8)

                            • ParaSightPlays
                              Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
                              @Songbird_HS @ZeddyHS (9th and final tweet cause I suck at math) I don’t think him faultless or without blame, I see both sides of the coin, I just wish more people did and that they could communicate it without it turning into degeneracy.

                              • Cora
                                Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
                                @ParaSightPlays @ZeddyHS I think in general, treating anything as a binary is a mistake. The overwhelming amount of the time it's the vocal minority on any side that are belligerent. I empathize with Zeddy's situation. It's why I continue to engage. I see that he wants to change his reputation.

                                • Cora
                                  Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
                                  @ParaSightPlays @ZeddyHS I also see a bit of a victim mentality that can contradict the desire to change his own behavior at times. But again, I don't think he's a bad guy. I would have blocked him if I just didn't give a shit.

                                  • Cora
                                    Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
                                    @ParaSightPlays @ZeddyHS I think that posting videos about beef like this is generally harmful, and kind of feels like punching down. It's not my platform though.

                                    • Cora
                                      Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
                                      @ParaSightPlays @ZeddyHS And, for what it's worth, the mindset that we as a team don't listen to criticism and don't care about player feedback is weird. I personally don't respond to personal attacks and never will. Zeddy has had good solid constructive criticism in the past.

                                      • Cora
                                        Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
                                        @ParaSightPlays @ZeddyHS It's a shame that's been overshadowed by the times he's been a hot head. He's human. We've all done it. I've picked too many Reddit fights that I'm not proud of.

                                        • Cora
                                          Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
                                          @ParaSightPlays @ZeddyHS So yeah. I agree with you. I feel sorry for Zeddy sometimes because I think he's dug himself into a hole he's not sure how to get out of. Being typecast sucks, and his audience only expects one thing from him now.

          • B00ZYKING
            Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
            @Songbird_HS @ZeddyHS Cora - is it appropriate for Devs to call content creators assholes and toxic?

            • Cora
              Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
              @B00ZYKING @ZeddyHS Depends on whether the forum is a personal or professional representation, and requires a hell of a lot of context. I think Insom is a toxic asshole, but him and I are cool.

      • 3GreenMana
        Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
        @Songbird_HS @ZeddyHS I wouldnt say its really the consumer's job to care about your feelings.

        • Cora
          Posted 4 years, 7 months ago (Source)
          @3GreenMana @ZeddyHS We can't be expected to maintain a one-sided relationship though. Devs aren't the product.
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