I think if you were to remove/reword the "mommy dearest" just after it says she can harvest their dreams it'd come off more innocent; as it is now I think it draws unintentional allusions to the film about Joan Crawford or Norman Bates' complex regarding his mother.
Ooooh that's good feedback! I didn't think about that!
I can see it in the splash, and I actually asked about it when I talked to the team. But I think in-game and when you incorporate all of her together as a whole package, not really, no.
I mean, it's an interesting choice, but Scottish accents don't exactly give me ancient and strange vibes. It just kinda felt slapped on since it's just not an accent we have used yet and it's one that is much more familiar to most people. I wouldn't be opposed to it if the design of the champion hinted some more similarities to Scottish culture, but it was just very jarring when hearing the voice for the first time.
Super stoked about this champ! I just hope that the people complaining in here don't get you guys too down about what I'm thinking will be an awesome addition to League's champion lineup.
I think people are averse to change. Myself too. I hate change. I think Lillia is unique and beautiful, and that the team did such an incredible job creating her. And in a few months people will be fine with it.
so they are waking up again or sleeping forever so that their dreams can forever be harvested by her mother tree? Because that's how it kinda sounded to me...
They wake up! Dreams used to go to the mother tree whenever anyone slept. Lillia just wants to save her mom.
But the team needed to make sure that players would be fawnd of Lillia as a shy dan-deer-e.
Goddamned weebs. Anyway, this is all interesting from a development/background standpoint, but from the champion insights blog I kinda wanted more context on her abilities. Why is she a damage champion with almost no utility outside her R? Why make her melee? What is she supposed to build? What makes her a jungler and not a mid or top? How is the dream concept communicated outside of her R having a sleep? Are there no concerns about the visual and thematic overlap with Neeko? They probably would never answer this one, but any thoughts about the fawn centaur girls in competing MOBAs?
Don't get me wrong, dev insights are always welcome, but this just seemed to answer questions nobody was asking. Mildly disappointed that the concepts they hinted at in the roadmap didn't pan out, either.
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Goddamned weebs.
I had to do it. I don't even like anime. But onto your more serious notes.
The feedback about wanting more ability insight is great, and I'll 100% consider that moving forward on these. I think, as a writer, I naturally tend to gravitate towards the narrative end because it's my craft as well.
I'm not sure I'll ever choose to dig into the items because that can change patch-to-patch, and I actually don't get to play the champions before anyone else. I'm also smooth brain gold, so don't listen to me.
Riot Maxw3ll's intention with her lower range AA is to not have her auto. Weaving her Q with her other abilities is supposedly the best way to play her. He wanted to give her a sort of run-in-and-out playstyle.
Regarding Neeko, yes and no? Lillia fits into a unique slot. While I can personally see some similarities (I even asked the team about it during the Insights meeting), I think when we're looking at who Lillia is (and at her in-game) it's clear she's her own person fawn.
That's kinda it, seemingly. The high concept, form-changing spirit deer girl was just not well recieved by the majority of people who got their hands on her during testing. So I guess they went simpler to focus on the shy deer-girl aspect of her.
This is it. We had players come in to test her and they weren't feeling the kit. So Riot Maxw3ll and the team took a step back and decided to narrow in the focus on the best parts of her: the sleep and single form.
Then one of the testers, Gabriel, drew this picture, and we used it as her loading screen splash art for a while...
Can that please just be her official loading screen splash, thanks
To do this, Riot Dummerwitz utilized emotionally confusing source material with distant positioning in Lillia’s sound effects. When she swings her staff you can hear laughter and crying, but far-off in some intangible location. It’s distant, surreal, and neither good or bad.
Riot's entire sound design team smurfing again I see
Her lore says she goes around putting people to sleep and harvesting their dreams. Ik that that's intended to sound peaceful-ish since she looks to be a more or less nice character but it 100% sounds like she running around runeterra on a killing spree.
I flip-flopped on whether or not I could use "put them to sleep" because of the connotation of her actually killing people. She just wants to give them a good ol' nappy nap.
Don't lie to me, nobody but high-level weebs know what "dandere" means. Anyway, as a fellow gold smoothbrain, thanks for the response.
Riot Maxw3ll's intention with her lower range AA is to not have her auto. Weaving her Q with her other abilities is supposedly the best way to play her. He wanted to give her a sort of run-in-and-out playstyle.
I can see that with the Q MS and generous range on her abilities, but that also suggests harassing top for me. I believe she was also referred to as a skirmisher in roadmaps, which I found kinda odd since she neither seems to rely on AAs nor has any defensive abilities, from what we've seen. Of course not every champion has to fit in a nice little niche, but a low-CC champion with 5 damaging abilities, melee range and magic damage is pretty novel.
Regarding Neeko, yes and no? Lillia fits into a unique slot. While I can personally see some similarities (I even asked the team about it during the Insights meeting), I think when we're looking at who Lillia is (and at her in-game) it's clear she's her own person fawn.
I think some of the dismay comes from her face and hair specifically -- her hair color and ears just make her a dead ringer for Neeko. Can't help but feel that a different hairstyle or color might have helped to differentiate them more. They even both have the flower thing going on.
Thanks again for the answers!
/u/riotmaxw3ll commented below me and can definitely answer gameplay questions better than I can.
Lillia actually has some salt for Neeko's flower in-game. ;)
Is Lillia's mother tree different from the God-Willow? Seems like it, since they didn't mention the tree Ivern cut down by name, but it seems a little ambiguos. Would make a big difference in the interactions between Ivern and Lillia if he was the one who killed her tree.
So that was part of the reason the team went with the dreams thematic. You see, League's already got the literal embodiment of nightmares (woops, wrong link lol). So it wouldn't feel right to have Lillia be nightmares and dreams.
I was thinking this too. They mention how she starts shy (weak) and then gets brave (stronger) but nowhere in her kit does it show that. If they just mean that she starts at level 1 and then gets stronger because of leveling up to 18 then oof.
Maybe I didn't do a great job explaining this part: So her kit is sort of a metaphor for her gaining confidence. She starts out shy and weak, and has to run away from you (which she can do with the movement speed stacks), but as she gets stronger (items), she grows confidence (move speed) and flourishes (lol I stronk now bb). She scales really well into the late game, and prances along the rift, slapping you with her spells and putting you to sleep.
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Ooooh that's good feedback! I didn't think about that!
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I can see it in the splash, and I actually asked about it when I talked to the team. But I think in-game and when you incorporate all of her together as a whole package, not really, no.
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Lmao I'm going to pitch it. Some clumsy-ass champion who just accidentally kills people. I love it. That's my new main.
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I'm in the depths of Gold 4 hell. I know all about bad junglers...
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When I first heard Lillia the only thing I thought of was this and I definitely sent it to Interlocutioner.
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I think people are averse to change. Myself too. I hate change. I think Lillia is unique and beautiful, and that the team did such an incredible job creating her. And in a few months people will be fine with it.
Glad you're excited!
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They wake up! Dreams used to go to the mother tree whenever anyone slept. Lillia just wants to save her mom.
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I mean, she's going to kill you in League. That's just a given.
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Hey! Not sure why. Raised it to the team
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Hello. It me. The writer of this post.
I had to do it. I don't even like anime. But onto your more serious notes.
The feedback about wanting more ability insight is great, and I'll 100% consider that moving forward on these. I think, as a writer, I naturally tend to gravitate towards the narrative end because it's my craft as well.
I'm not sure I'll ever choose to dig into the items because that can change patch-to-patch, and I actually don't get to play the champions before anyone else. I'm also smooth brain gold, so don't listen to me.
Riot Maxw3ll's intention with her lower range AA is to not have her auto. Weaving her Q with her other abilities is supposedly the best way to play her. He wanted to give her a sort of run-in-and-out playstyle.
Regarding Neeko, yes and no? Lillia fits into a unique slot. While I can personally see some similarities (I even asked the team about it during the Insights meeting), I think when we're looking at who Lillia is (and at her in-game) it's clear she's her own
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This is it. We had players come in to test her and they weren't feeling the kit. So Riot Maxw3ll and the team took a step back and decided to narrow in the focus on the best parts of her: the sleep and single form.
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Riot Dummerwitz is a fucking wizard.
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I flip-flopped on whether or not I could use "put them to sleep" because of the connotation of her actually killing people. She just wants to give them a good ol' nappy nap.
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/u/riotmaxw3ll commented below me and can definitely answer gameplay questions better than I can.
Lillia actually has some salt for Neeko's flower in-game. ;)
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I've got a lot of April Fools thoughts. Don't worry.
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So that was part of the reason the team went with the dreams thematic. You see, League's already got the literal embodiment of nightmares (woops, wrong link lol). So it wouldn't feel right to have Lillia be nightmares and dreams.
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/u/interlocutioner should be able to help!
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Maybe I didn't do a great job explaining this part: So her kit is sort of a metaphor for her gaining confidence. She starts out shy and weak, and has to run away from you (which she can do with the movement speed stacks), but as she gets stronger (items), she grows confidence (move speed) and flourishes (lol I stronk now bb). She scales really well into the late game, and prances along the rift, slapping you with her spells and putting you to sleep.