Some Funny Katarina/Ephemeral Interactions

Katarina is one of my favorite champions and I have been experimenting with her, even in most ridiculous situations (Teemo/Katarina :D)

Some of you guys might not know the Ephemeral interaction of Katarina so I wanted to share it here.

When you give Katarina, Mark of the Isles she won't die after she attacks and levels-up and comes back to your hand. Same with Oblivious Islander and Stirred Spirits.




So;
- You can use Oblivious Islander to reduce her cost to (2) for early upgrade posibility.
- You can use Stirred Spirits to make her more threatining with +2 Attack.
- You can use Mark of the Isles against frostbites or Removals (not against Vengeance) to save Katarina on your attack turn so she will be leveled-up. Works on your defend phase as well if she wouldn't die with the damage.
- One of the best is; You can use Shark Chariot with ephemeral Katarina to spawn Shark Chariots whenever you Rally !

I don't think you still don't know about Whirling Death/Single Combat - Katarina interactions but for new players and players who doesn't know these interactions yet, you can level-up Katarina with those combat tricks as well.

Some of the decks I was experimenting with this ephemeral interactions;

Katarina/Undying
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Katarina/Hecarim
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I hope it helps your deckbuilding and experimenting and enjoyement.

The moment katarina strikes an unit she levels up and recalls, on defense the full trade is made(if she survives she recalls), on offense only katarina attacks as long as her attack is higher than 0.

The ephemeral interaction is intended I saw on reddit a Rioter clarifying that ephemeral does not trigger cause katarina triggers "on strike" and ephemeral check is made after the strike is made.

BTW Run hecarim on the first list as well the card is broken and you don't need any synergy to run him (that's the problem with the card so -2 crocolisks +2 hecarims.

but nice idea with the undying and hecarims + rally (it's already been done with demacia).

You see you don't need to buff katarina? she is fine as she is.. it's not hearthstone some cards can get supported enough to function with worse than ideal stats (one good example for that is Rivershaper).

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I don't think you still don't know about Whirling Death/Single Combat - Katarina interactions but for new players and players who doesn't know these interactions yet, you can level-up Katarina with those combat tricks as well.

 

Does she need to "survive" the single combat, or can you cast it against anything?

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I don't think you still don't know about Whirling Death/Single Combat - Katarina interactions but for new players and players who doesn't know these interactions yet, you can level-up Katarina with those combat tricks as well.

 

Does she need to "survive" the single combat, or can you cast it against anything?

I've thought first she needs to survive and played around it always but tried it while i have the attack token (while her Quick attack is active), she turned back to my hand even tho she didn't survive. I'm not so sure that was a bug or intended tho.

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The moment katarina strikes an unit she levels up and recalls, on defense the full trade is made(if she survives she recalls), on offense only katarina attacks as long as her attack is higher than 0.

The ephemeral interaction is intended I saw on reddit a Rioter clarifying that ephemeral does not trigger cause katarina triggers "on strike" and ephemeral check is made after the strike is made.

BTW Run hecarim on the first list as well the card is broken and you don't need any synergy to run him (that's the problem with the card so -2 crocolisks +2 hecarims.

but nice idea with the undying and hecarims + rally (it's already been done with demacia).

You see you don't need to buff katarina? she is fine as she is.. it's not hearthstone some cards can get supported enough to function with worse than ideal stats (one good example for that is Rivershaper).

Well, I've already said in that Patch expectations thread that my concern was about my passion about Katarina. :)

I know how she works, more than people around because half of my time with this game passed with Katarina but hey, Who doesn't want the card he played become more effective ? :)

For Hecarim + The Undying, For my experiences, They don't work together. I mean, You always waste your resources for more than you use while they are together. You can only attack with 6 units in the game as you know and The Undyings already fills that spot. You need more blockers than attacker tokens of Hecarim so that's just greed in my opinion. Hecarim's best build is probably with The Harrowing and The Harrowing doesn't work well with The Undyings.

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I've thought first she needs to survive and played around it always but tried it while i have the attack token (while her Quick attack is active), she turned back to my hand even tho she didn't survive. I'm not so sure that was a bug or intended tho.

Now that you mention is, the description of Quick Attack says that it's active "while attacking," doesn't it? That phrasing could indicate that a Single Combat resolving during combat takes Quick Attack into account. It's ambiguous, though.

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I've thought first she needs to survive and played around it always but tried it while i have the attack token (while her Quick attack is active), she turned back to my hand even tho she didn't survive. I'm not so sure that was a bug or intended tho.

Now that you mention is, the description of Quick Attack says that it's active "while attacking," doesn't it? That phrasing could indicate that a Single Combat resolving during combat takes Quick Attack into account. It's ambiguous, though.

The help text for Quick Attack reads "While attacking, strikes before its blocker." In that way, it behaves just like Overwhelm - it only applies during combat, and only with respect to the blocking unit if such a unit exists.

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The help text for Quick Attack reads "While attacking, strikes before its blocker."

Oops - teaches me to try quoting from memory instead of checking my facts. Thanks for correcting me. In that case, however, I definitely regard Katarina's interaction with Single Combat as a bug. If she dies as a result of the enemy's strike, she shouldn't be able to recall.

Yeah, it definitely sounds like a bug, either with Katarina specifically because of her recall, or with Quick Attack more broadly. Seems like it's worth experimenting with.

Further evidence that this is a bug (or inconsistent at the very least): Other units with Quick Attack and the attack token do not survive Single Combat.

Does Katarina recall after Single Combat if you do NOT have the attack token? This is not something that would naturally get tested if the player assumes she would die.

If she does recall, it sounds like there's a mixup in checking for death from damage caused by this spell vs. Katarina's recall. It makes sense that the Ephemeral check should come after the recall check, but death from damage should surely come before any of that.