Wow, thanks for highlighting the Elise deck! I randomly brainstormed it last week and forgot I posted it…it was mostly to keep my work saved as I iterate on it. I think it needs Celestial Alignment with Lady Anacondra rather than the set up I posted there, I was going to try a build with that and Escaped Manasaber for the miracle turn to empty the deck. Or not! I haven’t tried the Elise/Twig/Floop combo before, I’ve just been enamored with the idea since seeing the Roffle/Mark videos back during Uldum with the original combo. If you or anyone out there have ideas on how to achieve this combo more easily, I’m so open to suggestions! Thanks again for the share.
So despite Quest Warrior and Hunter being 3rd tier decks at best in Standard, you want to ruin them because of wild?
How about no.
We could finally permaban the odd/even legendaries instead, if that's an issue.
I'm playing Quest Hunter simply because it seems to be the only thing that gives me a hope in hell against solitaire Mage and Warlock, which make up about 90% of the decks i face atm. The lack of card draw holds it in check in standard.
What we really need to address is the insanely efficient card draw both Mage and Warlock have that breaks the quests.
It sure is but it was bizarre enough that I kinda wanted to spotlight it. I doubt they'll ban anyone for trying it out if you really want to witness it yourself, but repeated abusing of the bug might get you in trouble.
Shaman: remove 1 round of overload and summon a 3/3 with taunt
Warlock: deal 6 damage to the enemy hero and restore 6 health to yours
Warrior: draw a weapon and deal 2 damage to a random enemy twice
All of them would be bonkers 1 mana cards on their own, even before the flashy final reward. Sure you have to jump through some hoops to get them, but it's usually easy enough that these rewards are plenty to compensate you for the trouble. Throw in the final stage and the total reward is just not in line with the effort required to 'earn' them.
I'm completely on your side, but I doubt that we'll see extensive changes of the Questlines, mostly because that would mean to dish out massive dust refunds. What I do see coming is an early rotation like we've seen with Genn and Baku if they don't manage to tune down the power level and/or speed of the biggest offenders. All that said, I still have hopes for the meta to slow down enough to be able to toy around with the Paladin QL.
My honest opinion is that HS had been in dire need for new designers for a while now. Starting with Ben Brode, there has always been power creeping and faster and faster games.
This is the pinnacle of it all. These guys don't really know how to tone back the game anymore. It needs a hard reset (i.e. rotate ALL cards after an expansion and start fresh) and a lot of courage to do it.
I'm also worried that this is what they intended for the game and not something they don't know how to solve. It's like they embraced their failure. Also, very likely, monetary reasons prevailed.
Think of it like this: didn't ANYONE in the team find out all these broken bullcrap before they shipped out the cards?! I'm really sick and tired of this incompetence (which was also clearly visible when they introduced quillboars in BGs).
Most likely the new Mercenaries will be the go-to mode for people wanting to play longer games (e.g. control decks). HS in itself has become just a shadow of the game I played in beta and shortly after. And while I can understand mistakes and some form of inexperience (e.g. naxx Undertaker), this keeps happening for a while now, in every mode. And let's not even talk about all the leaks and stuff.
We really need fresh (designer) blood for this game.
Imo, Questlines don't need an overhaul. Future sets and minisets will probably provide support to other archetypes and maybe, hard and soft counters to these questlines.
Just let questlines have their spotlight for now. Odd, Even and Highlander decks have been in wild forever and it's refreshing to see so many 'actually new' viable decks. You don't see that often.
* I do agree that Crystalizer needs to be looked at. But that's it. Just let the deck be viable to those who wants to play it.
Didn't do so well this time. Didn't get the portal maze and used solution.
Second one I gave a good go, and did try summing the health and attack mod 1000. Missed the tribe values though.
Went on tangents like treat the top number as a code, converting to hex/ascii, factoring them, thinking maybe needed code was based on battlenet ID etc. Perhaps minion stats based on name, flavor text so changed client language to see if it changed (it didn't).
Still - was still fun but missed the discord channel activity this time due to other things. I know they are not for everyone, and I failed this time but hope we get more in the future.
However, I did run several optimized decks which efficiently add progress to the completion of multiple achievements simultaneously but do not necessarily have great success for climbing the Wild ranked ladder.
I never care much about that latter aspect though, since I mostly do achievement hunting on rank floors and afterwards there usually is sufficient time to still reach Legend with some high tier meta decks.
Just to be sure , this site dont manage different regions , so to check decks i can create on EU and deck i can create in NA i have to overwrite my data?
Look guys I'm not saying catlyn is bad, I think she's great I just think that she makes no sense in a burn list ie. Shromes because the game plans don't matchup
Which is why when I face temo cayalyn with temo Ezreal burn I always win.
Also I do find it interesting that the best list run poison dart/lecturing yordeler because I was the only one doing that.
They also cut the landmark also me, they run get excited etc.
Archetype give a total win rate of various deck that use the same champions, many of these deck don't even run the same secondary regions.
And yes the gameplan do match up. Teemo and his package allow to level up Caitlyn faster and once she level up she also start dealing burn damage.
What's holding Caitlyn back is her flashbomb package. Who are ,with the exception of Sting Officer, very underwhelming. Just compare Justice Rider to Puffcap Peddler, more expensive and much more slower.
Aren't people playing Caitlyn with Draven or is that just my experience? I've seen a lot of them more than Draven Ezreal tbh so I thought that was how you play Caitlyn now.
You have to look at the archetype overview not the winrate of a specific list to get an accurate look at the picture.
https://lor.mobalytics.gg/stats/archetypes
47% which is really bad
Look guys I'm not saying catlyn is bad, I think she's great I just think that she makes no sense in a burn list ie. Shromes because the game plans don't matchup
Which is why when I face temo cayalyn with temo Ezreal burn I always win.
Also I do find it interesting that the best list run poison dart/lecturing yordeler because I was the only one doing that.
They also cut the landmark also me, they run get excited etc.
Just to be sure , this site dont manage different regions , so to check decks i can create on EU and deck i can create in NA i have to overwrite my data?
I'm at Level 68. I rolled some really bad daily quests this week, such as extremely specific ones like playing 10 murlocs or low-XP ones like playing 20 spells. As a result, climbing has been a grind.
I've been playing a lot of Elemental Shaman and Secret Paladin the past few days, and both decks are working really well after the latest nerfs (not that they did anything drastic, since Handlock is still a monster). I unpacked Find the Imposter as well so I've been playing some Rogue, and it was pretty good in lower ranks until I ran into a lot of Warlocks the higher I climbed.
I managed to complete a number of achievements this week:
- Simply Enchanting (the one with Runed Mithril Orb) - The Return of the King (give Varian rush, divine shield and rush) - Expecting an Exploding Pen? (play all spy gizmos in one game) - What is your Profession? (play 60 0-attack weapons)
I failed to complete the Tamsin one before the nerfs, and now D6 Warlock is dead. Even with all those completions, I'm still only at 30% completion with the Stormwind quests. I seriously don't get how some people here have already hit 80+% of the achievements. Do you guys play all day or something? I'd like to have the amount of time you guys have :P
Weekend of Wild Decks - Mill Druid, OTK Hunter, Highlander Warlock, Shadow Priest, & More!
Wow, thanks for highlighting the Elise deck! I randomly brainstormed it last week and forgot I posted it…it was mostly to keep my work saved as I iterate on it. I think it needs Celestial Alignment with Lady Anacondra rather than the set up I posted there, I was going to try a build with that and Escaped Manasaber for the miracle turn to empty the deck. Or not! I haven’t tried the Elise/Twig/Floop combo before, I’ve just been enamored with the idea since seeing the Roffle/Mark videos back during Uldum with the original combo. If you or anyone out there have ideas on how to achieve this combo more easily, I’m so open to suggestions! Thanks again for the share.
Hearthstone's Stormwind Questline Cards Were a Mistake - Here's How We Can Fix Them
Like, really, what should be in next miniset and set so for mage would be better playing minions? What should be the power level of these cards?
Hearthstone's Stormwind Questline Cards Were a Mistake - Here's How We Can Fix Them
So despite Quest Warrior and Hunter being 3rd tier decks at best in Standard, you want to ruin them because of wild?
How about no.
We could finally permaban the odd/even legendaries instead, if that's an issue.
I'm playing Quest Hunter simply because it seems to be the only thing that gives me a hope in hell against solitaire Mage and Warlock, which make up about 90% of the decks i face atm. The lack of card draw holds it in check in standard.
What we really need to address is the insanely efficient card draw both Mage and Warlock have that breaks the quests.
Weekend of Wild Decks - Mill Druid, OTK Hunter, Highlander Warlock, Shadow Priest, & More!
It sure is but it was bizarre enough that I kinda wanted to spotlight it. I doubt they'll ban anyone for trying it out if you really want to witness it yourself, but repeated abusing of the bug might get you in trouble.
Hearthstone's Stormwind Questline Cards Were a Mistake - Here's How We Can Fix Them
Well, that saved me the trouble of writing a similar post, which would have been broadly in agreement.
I would have put some focus on the rewards for the first 2 stages of the questlines though. Just look at them:
All of them would be bonkers 1 mana cards on their own, even before the flashy final reward. Sure you have to jump through some hoops to get them, but it's usually easy enough that these rewards are plenty to compensate you for the trouble. Throw in the final stage and the total reward is just not in line with the effort required to 'earn' them.
Solving the "???" Gift of Elune Card Back Achievement in Hearthstone - Solve the Stormwind Mysteries
Brilliant!
Hearthstone's Stormwind Questline Cards Were a Mistake - Here's How We Can Fix Them
I'm completely on your side, but I doubt that we'll see extensive changes of the Questlines, mostly because that would mean to dish out massive dust refunds. What I do see coming is an early rotation like we've seen with Genn and Baku if they don't manage to tune down the power level and/or speed of the biggest offenders. All that said, I still have hopes for the meta to slow down enough to be able to toy around with the Paladin QL.
Hearthstone's Stormwind Questline Cards Were a Mistake - Here's How We Can Fix Them
Good post spoted. Worth reading.
Hearthstone's Stormwind Questline Cards Were a Mistake - Here's How We Can Fix Them
Thank you for a very nice read!
My honest opinion is that HS had been in dire need for new designers for a while now. Starting with Ben Brode, there has always been power creeping and faster and faster games.
This is the pinnacle of it all. These guys don't really know how to tone back the game anymore. It needs a hard reset (i.e. rotate ALL cards after an expansion and start fresh) and a lot of courage to do it.
I'm also worried that this is what they intended for the game and not something they don't know how to solve. It's like they embraced their failure. Also, very likely, monetary reasons prevailed.
Think of it like this: didn't ANYONE in the team find out all these broken bullcrap before they shipped out the cards?! I'm really sick and tired of this incompetence (which was also clearly visible when they introduced quillboars in BGs).
Most likely the new Mercenaries will be the go-to mode for people wanting to play longer games (e.g. control decks). HS in itself has become just a shadow of the game I played in beta and shortly after. And while I can understand mistakes and some form of inexperience (e.g. naxx Undertaker), this keeps happening for a while now, in every mode. And let's not even talk about all the leaks and stuff.
We really need fresh (designer) blood for this game.
Hearthstone's Stormwind Questline Cards Were a Mistake - Here's How We Can Fix Them
Imo, Questlines don't need an overhaul. Future sets and minisets will probably provide support to other archetypes and maybe, hard and soft counters to these questlines.
Just let questlines have their spotlight for now. Odd, Even and Highlander decks have been in wild forever and it's refreshing to see so many 'actually new' viable decks. You don't see that often.
* I do agree that Crystalizer needs to be looked at. But that's it. Just let the deck be viable to those who wants to play it.
Weekend of Wild Decks - Mill Druid, OTK Hunter, Highlander Warlock, Shadow Priest, & More!
Can't you get banned by playing the hunter deck? It's bug abusing, isn't it?
Weekend of Wild Decks - Mill Druid, OTK Hunter, Highlander Warlock, Shadow Priest, & More!
It's very unusual that Reno Warlock has become a "funky" deck in wild.
Finders Keepers
No more INFINITE LOOP! 😭
Everything You Need to Know About Hearthstone's Mercenaries Game Mode
I want Angry Chicken as mercenary. Cmon Blizz, i believe in you!
Solving the "???" Gift of Elune Card Back Achievement in Hearthstone - Solve the Stormwind Mysteries
Interesting one.
Didn't do so well this time. Didn't get the portal maze and used solution.
Second one I gave a good go, and did try summing the health and attack mod 1000. Missed the tribe values though.
Went on tangents like treat the top number as a code, converting to hex/ascii, factoring them, thinking maybe needed code was based on battlenet ID etc. Perhaps minion stats based on name, flavor text so changed client language to see if it changed (it didn't).
Still - was still fun but missed the discord channel activity this time due to other things. I know they are not for everyone, and I failed this time but hope we get more in the future.
Rewards Track: Current progress 3.0
@Tetsuo; I do not play HS all day 😉
However, I did run several optimized decks which efficiently add progress to the completion of multiple achievements simultaneously but do not necessarily have great success for climbing the Wild ranked ladder.
I never care much about that latter aspect though, since I mostly do achievement hunting on rank floors and afterwards there usually is sufficient time to still reach Legend with some high tier meta decks.
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At this time we do not, that is correct
You're Playing Catalyn Wrong
Archetype give a total win rate of various deck that use the same champions, many of these deck don't even run the same secondary regions.
And yes the gameplan do match up. Teemo and his package allow to level up Caitlyn faster and once she level up she also start dealing burn damage.
What's holding Caitlyn back is her flashbomb package. Who are ,with the exception of Sting Officer, very underwhelming. Just compare Justice Rider to Puffcap Peddler, more expensive and much more slower.
Maxima C'thun Bug!
In addition to being fun, this would give an achievement, Toss Me!
Solving the "???" Gift of Elune Card Back Achievement in Hearthstone - Solve the Stormwind Mysteries
I had trouble at first because I entered the wrong tribe so never got to stage 2. Once tribes were fixed, got to stage 2.
You're Playing Catalyn Wrong
Catlyn Draven makes a lot of sense. They are just good Champs with solid stat lines. You could run whirling death as an easy 3 of.
You get to remove a thing, and get your flash bombs/axes.
Also it's worth mentioning that the best Temo Catlyn deck cuts the flashbomb package so cutting her is the next logical step.
Put her in a deck where she shines like the one mentioned above ^
You're Playing Catalyn Wrong
Aren't people playing Caitlyn with Draven or is that just my experience? I've seen a lot of them more than Draven Ezreal tbh so I thought that was how you play Caitlyn now.
You're Playing Catalyn Wrong
You have to look at the archetype overview not the winrate of a specific list to get an accurate look at the picture.
https://lor.mobalytics.gg/stats/archetypes
47% which is really bad
Look guys I'm not saying catlyn is bad, I think she's great I just think that she makes no sense in a burn list ie. Shromes because the game plans don't matchup
Which is why when I face temo cayalyn with temo Ezreal burn I always win.
Also I do find it interesting that the best list run poison dart/lecturing yordeler because I was the only one doing that.
They also cut the landmark also me, they run get excited etc.
How To: JSON Importer for Hearthstone Collection
Just to be sure , this site dont manage different regions , so to check decks i can create on EU and deck i can create in NA i have to overwrite my data?
Rewards Track: Current progress 3.0
I'm at Level 68. I rolled some really bad daily quests this week, such as extremely specific ones like playing 10 murlocs or low-XP ones like playing 20 spells. As a result, climbing has been a grind.
I've been playing a lot of Elemental Shaman and Secret Paladin the past few days, and both decks are working really well after the latest nerfs (not that they did anything drastic, since Handlock is still a monster). I unpacked Find the Imposter as well so I've been playing some Rogue, and it was pretty good in lower ranks until I ran into a lot of Warlocks the higher I climbed.
I managed to complete a number of achievements this week:
- Simply Enchanting (the one with Runed Mithril Orb)
- The Return of the King (give Varian rush, divine shield and rush)
- Expecting an Exploding Pen? (play all spy gizmos in one game)
- What is your Profession? (play 60 0-attack weapons)
I failed to complete the Tamsin one before the nerfs, and now D6 Warlock is dead. Even with all those completions, I'm still only at 30% completion with the Stormwind quests. I seriously don't get how some people here have already hit 80+% of the achievements. Do you guys play all day or something? I'd like to have the amount of time you guys have :P