Just want to give my two cents to show that every opinion is subjective. I think that Gul'dan is underwhelming, it's just a green blur! I know that Fel is green, but this is ridiculous, they could've gone with Shadow or Fire theme.
Rexxar is derpy, Valeera is silly (they should've given her normal weapons, they don't fit).
What's with Jaina's right hand? I' m probably not completely up to date with lore.
I think that new Uther is better than the old one; I know that radiant eyes are a sign of holy light infusion, but he looks so much better with normal eyes and the contrast caused by black really makes him stand out.
Thrall is very nice, Garrosh is good. Malfurion is nice, but bit boring. Anduin changed for better, but the overbite is strange. My highest win class is shaman with four hundred wins, so it's gonna be a long way for me.
Seriously though I agree - it's much more fun to have some RNG memes like Academic Espionage, Arch-Villain Rafaam,or Chameleos in an otherwise okay deck that generate unique, often hilarious wins than something that is a total "coin flip with a double-headed coin" where you're almost guaranteed to lose if the stars don't align for you.
I think one reason I was so surprised and triggered by Renounce Darkness is that blizzard has gotten so much better in recent years at balancing these wacky random generation cards and making sure they actually have a home in (semi)-competitive hearthstone. I really enjoy the fact that HS lets us play cards that aren't in our starting deck, I think it's probably hearthstone's biggest advantage over say, Magic. I think Discover is the best mechanic in the game. Renounce the Darkness bothers me because it's such a step back from all of the progress we've made since it got printed, back to where you had unexciting tempo cards that won games on the one hand and useless meme cards on the other.
I'm not saying they should have released Darkbomb instead, but at least with Lakkari Sacrifice you'd be able to build a deck around your meme.
There were responses between nuke from orbit and do nothing. Blizzard had a lot of options and by choosing to be heavy handed as all hell, they've made a lot of people mad.
Did anyone notice Pooh bear at the bottom of the page?
Actually, that winnie the pooh is at the bottom of every page. It's a little weird.
The Chinese president can't stand being compared to Winnie the Pooh. AFAIK the name is censored quite heavily on the chinese internet. I assume Flux put Winnie there as a silent protest against Blizzard tacitly enforcing chinese censorship on their platform.
Anyway, I feel Blizzard was justified in punishing him. He signed a contract, he knew what was up, and he did it anyway. His fault. Blizzard needs to send the message that they will not tolerate anyone misusing their platform to spread their political ideals, and that is fine. Also, they do not want to piss off China, which is another very justifiable thing.
However, I disagree with the severity of the punishment. A one year ban just seems extreme, and all prize money being confiscated was just the cherry on top honestly. It sent a good message that Blizzard will not tolerate these clowns, but they went down too hard on him. What he said wasn’t particularly offensive anyway, it was just “down with the government” or something similar to that. And before anyone asks, the casters were in on it as well, thats why they got fired.
Just because a person or company has the right to do something doesn't mean it is right for them to do so. Yes blizzard had a contract that allowed them to yeet players for whatever reason, but you can be damn sure they wouldn't have thrown out a player for, say, coming out against global warming or pro gay marriage.
Throwing Blitzchung under the bus may be legal and even understandable, but it is still a cowardly affront to the principle of free speech. Personally I think more people ought to vote with their wallets, because it's the one tool we have to make corporations, which are amoral entities, behave morally.
If there is no price for acting like a tyrant's lapdog then eventually most companies will do so. If there's a price to pay for immoral actions then suddenly morality becomes a part of the business calculus.
The notion that it's impossible to generalise about what amounts to fun for most players of a specific game, just because someone, somewhere actively prefers losing to winning or w/e, is silly and obtuse. Your argument would have held more weight if you had made it on your own behalf rather than in name of some hypothetical player who may or may not exist.
Hey now - there are dozens (DOZENS!) of us masochists out there who really love a good beating. That's right, Fireball me right in the face...
Seriously though I agree - it's much more fun to have some RNG memes like Academic Espionage, Arch-Villain Rafaam,or Chameleos [Hearthstone Card (in an otherwise okay deck that generate unique, often hilarious wins than something that is a total "coin flip with a double-headed coin" where you're almost guaranteed to lose if the stars don't align for you.
I think he knew this happening was a possibility and he did it anyway, so that is on him. That is pretty noble of him.
I really don't like political talk mixing into sports/esports but I do agree with his cause and think Blizzards punishment was grossly severe. They essentially ended his HS career over it.
This is math. Lose an entire country's revenue, or lose a handful of others who are angered enough to stop playing. Maybe this will cost blizzard some sales, but better than losing China. Activision Blizzard is a public company with a duty to its shareholders to pursue the companies goals. I'm guessing profits is at the top of the goal list, and promoting free speech is not on the goal list.
Don't like it? Be one of those who stops playing. But you can't really blame Blizzard for making a pure business decision. That's what public companies do.
You can definitely blame blizzard for supporting human rights violation to protect their bottom line. I definitely didn't expect any better but there is nothing wrong with trashing them for this. People don't have to just accept that corporations are pro-profit and anti-human. Nothing directed specifically at you, nothing you really said is wrong but it's just terrible that this kind of behavior is completely normalized and the status quo
Well, I can't disagree with you. This is capitalism and its this system we live in and its enabled by the public. The difference between us and China is that the Chinese gov't can by fiat say "Do this, our you lose our entire country's player base," even though the Chinese citizens may not want it. Here, it would take a concerted effort of a large majority of the player base to threaten boycott before Blizzard would do anything, and let's face it, most Americans probably don't care much about one non-American player to stop playing a game they enjoy over it
Blizzard is finally realizing they were wrong with their initial direction, just like in WoW. I hope at least.
Why design so many cards and graphics (see past expansions, i.e. Wild) if the vast majority of players are playing standard and not caring about them too much?!
With this move they are reusing previous work and providing meta shakeups. Hopefully, the free space left is going to be used to actually improve the game by other means, unrelated to cards and cosmetics...
It's a trash-tier meme which is why I don't understand wasting a card slot on Renounce the Darkness for this event. A bunch of people jumped down my throat for being anti-fun or w/e for making similar comments in the reveal thread, but this is exactly the point I was getting at back then too: why waste people's time with unplayable "fun" cards when losing isn't fun and there are meme cards that actually pack a punch.
Different people have different goals when playing this game. I personally enjoy winning and climbing, so I play the best decks to rank up. Others don't like the standard meta but enjoy being competitive, so they'd play Wild or Arena. And some people have fun memeing with cards like Renounce. Different people are allowed to have fun in different ways, which is likely why you were being flamed. Nobody can tell you what's fun and not fun, if people enjoy memeing and don't mind losing, then good for them. I absolutely despise Highlander Mage and have a hilariously low winrate against the deck, while to others it's a complete meme. It's all based on perspective, you can't tell someone how they should percieve something.
This is such a tiresome argument. Yes, individual differences exist. Yes, players prioritise different things. Yes fun is subjective.
And yet, AND YET, somehow blizzard devs are able to come up with a general picture of what "fun" entails to most players and stick with it. It's no wonder that the latest version of Renounce the Darkness, Academic Espionage, is a hell of a lot stronger, not to mention more synergistic with the overall burgle rogue theme, resulting in a playable meme deck rather than a handful of random discounted class cards.
The notion that it's impossible to generalise about what amounts to fun for most players of a specific game, just because someone, somewhere actively prefers losing to winning or w/e, is silly and obtuse. Your argument would have held more weight if you had made it on your own behalf rather than in name of some hypothetical player who may or may not exist.
Did anyone notice Pooh bear at the bottom of the page?
Actually, that winnie the pooh is at the bottom of every page. It's a little weird.
It's a dig at Chinese President Xi Jinping - he was compared to Winnie in a meme and he took offense, so Pooh has been banned in China for the last few years. So naturally it's now re-surging as a protest symbol against him/the Chinese government.
Did anyone notice Pooh bear at the bottom of the page?
Anyway, I feel Blizzard was justified in punishing him. He signed a contract, he knew what was up, and he did it anyway. His fault. Blizzard needs to send the message that they will not tolerate anyone misusing their platform to spread their political ideals, and that is fine. Also, they do not want to piss off China, which is another very justifiable thing.
However, I disagree with the severity of the punishment. A one year ban just seems extreme, and all prize money being confiscated was just the cherry on top honestly. It sent a good message that Blizzard will not tolerate these clowns, but they went down too hard on him. What he said wasn’t particularly offensive anyway, it was just “down with the government” or something similar to that. And before anyone asks, the casters were in on it as well, thats why they got fired.
I am memeing around at the moment with a Renounce Deck that does quite well. It has some early game drops for pressure, some Lackey generation for value, removal cards and some healing. I tend to play Renounce fairly late on and it's currently 6-3.
### Renounce This.. # Class: Warlock # Format: Wild # # 2x (1) Call of the Void # 2x (1) Flame Imp # 2x (1) Mortal Coil # 2x (1) Sinister Deal # 2x (1) Soulfire # 1x (1) The Soularium # 2x (2) Dark Peddler # 2x (2) Defile # 2x (2) Gnomeferatu # 2x (2) Renounce Darkness # 2x (3) Drain Life # 2x (3) Shadow Bolt # 2x (4) Hellfire # 2x (5) Bane of Doom # 2x (6) Siphon Soul # 1x (8) Twisting Nether # AAEBAcn1AgLbBo+CAw4XkgeXB7YHzgfCCMQIzAjPFr2sAufLAq7NAqeYA/qkAwA= # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
Forgot to say that this is Wild only.... Ignore me..
The casters should honestly have been fired. They asked Blitzchung to say "Liberate Hong Kong. Revolution of out times." They went against their contract.
I fully agree that BlitzChungs punishment were too harsh tho.
There was actually not anything that was done initiatially, until the Chinese viewers demanded for them to be punished.
Warlock and Warrior are best for me. Sadly only class that I have over 500 wins (and still long road to 1000) is mage. All classes beside Mage I have around 300-400 wins. I will have to wait for this portraits.
Kinda awkward to ask it here, but how did you manage to add Ragnaros the Firelord and N'Zoth, the Corruptor to your decks? I get nothing under the "Wild Event" tab in deck-builder, so my decks keep getting flagged as Wild formatted, when I add those in any Standard deck I want to create...
The newly-added cards to your Standard collection can also be used in those old adventure missions that require deck-building (if you don't already have these in your Wild collection).
Kinda bs you aren't allowed to use your own golden copies
Wow, people really like to complain about stupid little things. I didn't sign in thinking I'd go do a "first" thing, I just happened to see the post right after it was published and wanted to savor the moment. And then I said the thing I came there to say in the first place. Thanks for the hate, guys.
I wonder if he'd have been suspended or had his money taken away had his statement been pro-Chinese government. . . I have a funny feeling he'd have been celebrated, and the even if someone at Blizz had wanted to punish him for political talk, they'd never have had the guts,
This is troubling. But not uncommon. I am a bit undecided about continuing with hearthstone or not.
In this situation it was a bit extreme and was to be expected. What I would really like is for Blizzard to be put to the test. They say themselves, you can have your opinions, just not in the competition. I wonder, though. What happens if one of the casters or pro players condemn china, but just privately? Or, what happens if someone does something a bit less extreme - wear a hoodie that says "pro democracy, down with oppression". Clearly something that can not be considered 'political' in the west, it just says support democracy, it is not even a political topic. So, where does Blizzard draw the line here?
It is of course not really Blizzard drawing the line, though - it is china. Blizzard will eventually get stuck between a rock and a hard place, if they aren't already. The west freedom of speech is not compatible with china's market.
1,000 Win Portrait Rewards
Just want to give my two cents to show that every opinion is subjective. I think that Gul'dan is underwhelming, it's just a green blur! I know that Fel is green, but this is ridiculous, they could've gone with Shadow or Fire theme.
Rexxar is derpy, Valeera is silly (they should've given her normal weapons, they don't fit).
What's with Jaina's right hand? I' m probably not completely up to date with lore.
I think that new Uther is better than the old one; I know that radiant eyes are a sign of holy light infusion, but he looks so much better with normal eyes and the contrast caused by black really makes him stand out.
Thrall is very nice, Garrosh is good. Malfurion is nice, but bit boring. Anduin changed for better, but the overbite is strange. My highest win class is shaman with four hundred wins, so it's gonna be a long way for me.
Renounce Warlock?
I think one reason I was so surprised and triggered by Renounce Darkness is that blizzard has gotten so much better in recent years at balancing these wacky random generation cards and making sure they actually have a home in (semi)-competitive hearthstone. I really enjoy the fact that HS lets us play cards that aren't in our starting deck, I think it's probably hearthstone's biggest advantage over say, Magic. I think Discover is the best mechanic in the game. Renounce the Darkness bothers me because it's such a step back from all of the progress we've made since it got printed, back to where you had unexciting tempo cards that won games on the one hand and useless meme cards on the other.
I'm not saying they should have released Darkbomb instead, but at least with Lakkari Sacrifice you'd be able to build a deck around your meme.
Blizzard Removes Blitzchung From Grandmasters, Prize Money Taken Away For Anti-China Comments
Downloaded Brawl Stars yesterday. Thanks Flux.. I am having a hard time putting it down!
Blizzard Removes Blitzchung From Grandmasters, Prize Money Taken Away For Anti-China Comments
There were responses between nuke from orbit and do nothing. Blizzard had a lot of options and by choosing to be heavy handed as all hell, they've made a lot of people mad.
Blizzard Removes Blitzchung From Grandmasters, Prize Money Taken Away For Anti-China Comments
PC means PERFECT CHINA in Blizzard
Blitchung kicked out of GM
The Chinese president can't stand being compared to Winnie the Pooh. AFAIK the name is censored quite heavily on the chinese internet. I assume Flux put Winnie there as a silent protest against Blizzard tacitly enforcing chinese censorship on their platform.
Context:
Just because a person or company has the right to do something doesn't mean it is right for them to do so. Yes blizzard had a contract that allowed them to yeet players for whatever reason, but you can be damn sure they wouldn't have thrown out a player for, say, coming out against global warming or pro gay marriage.
Throwing Blitzchung under the bus may be legal and even understandable, but it is still a cowardly affront to the principle of free speech. Personally I think more people ought to vote with their wallets, because it's the one tool we have to make corporations, which are amoral entities, behave morally.
If there is no price for acting like a tyrant's lapdog then eventually most companies will do so. If there's a price to pay for immoral actions then suddenly morality becomes a part of the business calculus.
Renounce Warlock?
Hey now - there are dozens (DOZENS!) of us masochists out there who really love a good beating. That's right, Fireball me right in the face...
Seriously though I agree - it's much more fun to have some RNG memes like Academic Espionage, Arch-Villain Rafaam,or Chameleos [Hearthstone Card (in an otherwise okay deck that generate unique, often hilarious wins than something that is a total "coin flip with a double-headed coin" where you're almost guaranteed to lose if the stars don't align for you.
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Well, I can't disagree with you. This is capitalism and its this system we live in and its enabled by the public. The difference between us and China is that the Chinese gov't can by fiat say "Do this, our you lose our entire country's player base," even though the Chinese citizens may not want it. Here, it would take a concerted effort of a large majority of the player base to threaten boycott before Blizzard would do anything, and let's face it, most Americans probably don't care much about one non-American player to stop playing a game they enjoy over it
All This Excitement About Being Allowed To Play A Few Cards From Wild....
Blizzard is finally realizing they were wrong with their initial direction, just like in WoW. I hope at least.
Why design so many cards and graphics (see past expansions, i.e. Wild) if the vast majority of players are playing standard and not caring about them too much?!
With this move they are reusing previous work and providing meta shakeups. Hopefully, the free space left is going to be used to actually improve the game by other means, unrelated to cards and cosmetics...
N'Zoth Big Priest
They're under the "Featured" category.
Renounce Warlock?
This is such a tiresome argument. Yes, individual differences exist. Yes, players prioritise different things. Yes fun is subjective.
And yet, AND YET, somehow blizzard devs are able to come up with a general picture of what "fun" entails to most players and stick with it. It's no wonder that the latest version of Renounce the Darkness, Academic Espionage, is a hell of a lot stronger, not to mention more synergistic with the overall burgle rogue theme, resulting in a playable meme deck rather than a handful of random discounted class cards.
The notion that it's impossible to generalise about what amounts to fun for most players of a specific game, just because someone, somewhere actively prefers losing to winning or w/e, is silly and obtuse. Your argument would have held more weight if you had made it on your own behalf rather than in name of some hypothetical player who may or may not exist.
Blitchung kicked out of GM
It's a dig at Chinese President Xi Jinping - he was compared to Winnie in a meme and he took offense, so Pooh has been banned in China for the last few years. So naturally it's now re-surging as a protest symbol against him/the Chinese government.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/07/china-bans-winnie-the-pooh-film-to-stop-comparisons-to-president-xi
Blitchung kicked out of GM
Actually, that winnie the pooh is at the bottom of every page. It's a little weird.
Blitchung kicked out of GM
Did anyone notice Pooh bear at the bottom of the page?
Anyway, I feel Blizzard was justified in punishing him. He signed a contract, he knew what was up, and he did it anyway. His fault. Blizzard needs to send the message that they will not tolerate anyone misusing their platform to spread their political ideals, and that is fine. Also, they do not want to piss off China, which is another very justifiable thing.
However, I disagree with the severity of the punishment. A one year ban just seems extreme, and all prize money being confiscated was just the cherry on top honestly. It sent a good message that Blizzard will not tolerate these clowns, but they went down too hard on him. What he said wasn’t particularly offensive anyway, it was just “down with the government” or something similar to that. And before anyone asks, the casters were in on it as well, thats why they got fired.
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Renounce Warlock?
I am memeing around at the moment with a Renounce Deck that does quite well. It has some early game drops for pressure, some Lackey generation for value, removal cards and some healing. I tend to play Renounce fairly late on and it's currently 6-3.
### Renounce This..
# Class: Warlock
# Format: Wild
#
# 2x (1) Call of the Void
# 2x (1) Flame Imp
# 2x (1) Mortal Coil
# 2x (1) Sinister Deal
# 2x (1) Soulfire
# 1x (1) The Soularium
# 2x (2) Dark Peddler
# 2x (2) Defile
# 2x (2) Gnomeferatu
# 2x (2) Renounce Darkness
# 2x (3) Drain Life
# 2x (3) Shadow Bolt
# 2x (4) Hellfire
# 2x (5) Bane of Doom
# 2x (6) Siphon Soul
# 1x (8) Twisting Nether
#
AAEBAcn1AgLbBo+CAw4XkgeXB7YHzgfCCMQIzAjPFr2sAufLAq7NAqeYA/qkAwA=
#
# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
Forgot to say that this is Wild only.... Ignore me..
The Pepper Thread - Share Some Good Vibes!
I myself also got pretty "lucky"...
Blizzard Removes Blitzchung From Grandmasters, Prize Money Taken Away For Anti-China Comments
The casters should honestly have been fired. They asked Blitzchung to say "Liberate Hong Kong. Revolution of out times." They went against their contract.
I fully agree that BlitzChungs punishment were too harsh tho.
There was actually not anything that was done initiatially, until the Chinese viewers demanded for them to be punished.
Source: https://twitter.com/czhihong/status/1181452540753235971
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Warlock and Warrior are best for me. Sadly only class that I have over 500 wins (and still long road to 1000) is mage. All classes beside Mage I have around 300-400 wins. I will have to wait for this portraits.
N'Zoth Big Priest
Kinda awkward to ask it here, but how did you manage to add Ragnaros the Firelord and N'Zoth, the Corruptor to your decks? I get nothing under the "Wild Event" tab in deck-builder, so my decks keep getting flagged as Wild formatted, when I add those in any Standard deck I want to create...
Doom in the Tomb Begins!
Kinda bs you aren't allowed to use your own golden copies
Renounce Warlock?
I think renounce darkness is a little funny because it is just like that one brawl everyone hates but your opponent still has a good deck.
Doom in the Tomb Begins!
Wow, people really like to complain about stupid little things. I didn't sign in thinking I'd go do a "first" thing, I just happened to see the post right after it was published and wanted to savor the moment. And then I said the thing I came there to say in the first place. Thanks for the hate, guys.
Blitchung kicked out of GM
I wonder if he'd have been suspended or had his money taken away had his statement been pro-Chinese government. . . I have a funny feeling he'd have been celebrated, and the even if someone at Blizz had wanted to punish him for political talk, they'd never have had the guts,
Blitchung kicked out of GM
This is troubling. But not uncommon. I am a bit undecided about continuing with hearthstone or not.
In this situation it was a bit extreme and was to be expected. What I would really like is for Blizzard to be put to the test. They say themselves, you can have your opinions, just not in the competition. I wonder, though. What happens if one of the casters or pro players condemn china, but just privately? Or, what happens if someone does something a bit less extreme - wear a hoodie that says "pro democracy, down with oppression". Clearly something that can not be considered 'political' in the west, it just says support democracy, it is not even a political topic. So, where does Blizzard draw the line here?
It is of course not really Blizzard drawing the line, though - it is china. Blizzard will eventually get stuck between a rock and a hard place, if they aren't already. The west freedom of speech is not compatible with china's market.