From hidden patch notes community had to discover to this? Pretty big upgrade. Nice and informative. Thumbs up.

I disagree with that analysis on the basis of how whenever/after card effects work.

So every time a card is played in Hearthstone, the game has to sweep for "whenever" effects. Like we saw in the video, [[Violet Teacher]] had its effect happen after [[Mindgames]] was played, but before the effect of Mindgames actually occurred.

From the video, I would imagine Hearthstone checks first the board, then the hand, then the deck for "whenever" effects when a card is played. And so far, we have seen [[Shadow Reflection]] act basically like a "whenever" card. When someone plays [[Krul the Unshackled]], Shadow Reflection transforms into Krul. Next, Krul's effect resolves, summoning the shadow reflected copy.

I see what you're saying about the order of checking, but consider this: whenever a card is played in Hearthstone, the game needs to do 3 things: 1. activate "whenever" effects, 2. resolve the card, and 3. activate "after" effects.

It doesn't make sense for the game to check the hand for "whenever" effects after resolving the card being played on the board. Therefore, it's probably that Hearthstone cycles through board/hand/deck for "whenever" effects, then cycles again when resolving the card played, and cycles once more for "after" effects.

Under this model, Shadow Reflection would transform during the "whenever" sweep, and get summoned by resolving Krul.

Thanks for the video!

Will this interaction effect playing Thrall death knight and killing you if you roll apothecary? That is a super unintuitive interaction as it is different from evolve.

There are two interactions that I remember that never made sense to me.

First one is the Battlecry into Deathrattle + Secret. When you Medivh's Vallet a Mad Scientist and it pulls a Mirror Entity that ends up copying the Vallet.

Second one used to happen a lot back when Secret Paladin was a thing... Avenge buffing a minion that was visually dead on board. So you kill the whole board with an AoE, then Avenge triggers and lands on something with 0 or minus health, keeping it alive.

Hope they visit those interactions in the future. I think these interactions that visually explain something else are really weird.

So when will these changes actually be in the game? Or are they already patched in? The answers to these questions should be more clearly communicated.

And when is that? ;)

Oh god this Josh Durica is soo cute

How would using [[Shadow Madness]] on a Pyro work with this change? The minion exists on the board, but does not exist on YOUR side of the board. Currently if you Shadow Madness a wild pyro, it swaps sides and then triggers. Will that still be the case? I'm sure there are other similar effects ([[Cabal Shadow Priest]] on a [[Knife Juggler]] perhaps), but this is one that I actually use and see used on occasion.

/u/jdurica

So no more Valeera passive hero power letting dragon synergy trigger off itself? Cool. Also sounds like this might fix unlicensed apothecary.

So does that mean that minions that aren't on the battlefield are not considered targettable by random effects?

Example: I play 10/10 C'Thun into a 3/3 Grim Patron. Does that mean the opponent's face is guaranteed at least 7 damage because any additional Patrons generated aren't available to target at the time of casting?

If this is true there's a whole bunch of interactions that are going to be extremely different to play around. The C'Thun example above would be considered a game-loss in most cases due to the value you could generate for your opponent, but can now be lethal based on the new calculations.

Another issue with UA that was mentioned on reddit at some point, is that he apparently triggers twice on minions that transform. I can see that it's much less relevant, but it would be nice to see it fixed anyhow.

TL;DW: Two game mechanics are getting changed next patch. More will probably follow later.

• "After" triggered actions (such as Wild Pyromancer's) will now require the minion bearing the text to be on the board from the start of the action triggering it. That means getting Wild Pyro from a spell such as [[Mind Games]] or [[Eternal Servitude]] will no longer trigger it.

• Before, when an event happened, the game checked for triggers on board, executed them, then triggers in hand, executed them, then triggers in deck, and finally executed those. Now, it'll first seek triggers in all three zones at once, and only triggers found during that original search will activate when it is their turn to do so. This change means that as an example, a [[Bolvar Fordragon]] with 'Deathrattle: return this minion to your hand' will no longer get +1 attack off of his own death.

EDIT: For a more meta-relevant example, the second change means Unlicensed Apothecary's interaction with Thrall's DK Hero should be fixed.

Because when he checks his trigger the target is unfriendly

For Warlock this is actually quite relevant. You can't run Bane of Doom with Gul'dan, because if you do and get Unlicensed Apothecary, your Gul'dan previously would deal 5 damage to you for every demon that died that game but now will not.

Additionaly, if you are playing Krul in Warlock (which is actually common in renolock in Wild), you could not choose to draw demons from Kazakus because, again, getting apothecary would mean your Krul would deal 5 damage to you for each demon in your hand (and also set your Gul'dan up to murder you). now krul and gul'dan won't trigger apothecary.

Hey jdurica. In you video you said to tell you about interactions that feel weird so here's mine: [[Steward of Darkshire]] on board with [[Sword of Justice]] in play does not currently give your silver hand recruits divine shield. Is the text lying to us or is this a bug?

Aren't the demons from Gul'Dan summoned randomly? When more than 7 demons died the demons you get back from him are random.