To this end, we’re adding the new quest described above, and going forward, we’ll keep this feedback in mind for the launch of new single-player content.

Where is this described? Is it a launch special quest or a new repeatable added to the pool?

" To this end, we’re adding the new quest described above, and going forward, we’ll keep this feedback in mind for the launch of new single-player content. "

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So will there be a quest to re-visit the rumble run with these changes? If there was a quest reward given today, I would gladly give it a shot again. However if not, now that I have my card back, I have no urge to revisit the changes.

What exactly was changed about the bosses? AI behaviour? Cards? Deck? Could you clarify this please? Thank you!

So we want to bring that back. With this update, whenever you lose, you can expect to always be offered the shrine you just lost with. The shrine that the boss used to beat you in your last run will also be offered, per the status quo.

So when I'm trying to play with the 27th shrine to finish them all, I have to reroll with only 1 random, new option each time? Given it's a shrine that is never seen vs the 1st boss. Seems like it'd have just been a load easier to revert back to letting people just choose. "Encouraging players to try different shrines, especially to experiment with stuff they normally wouldn’t" seems like quite the lackluster reason. If people want to experiment, they would even with all the options at their disposal. IMO people quit experimenting because the tediousness of nonsensical rerolling. To me it seems like you took a baby step in the right direction when a giant leap was within the realm of possibilities.

Please tell us more about the quest. Is it only for people who have never played the mode before?

Thanks for the changes! Rumble Run should be a lot more fun now.

Will we be able to expect more missions in the future like the adventures that we had in the past? I still enjoy playing them and would enjoy to have more :)

I realize it might be unlikely, but are you guys open in the future to the idea of adding content to old Run-style SP content? I'm mostly thinking for Rumble Run to be honest, but I would love it for Monster Hunt and Dungeon Run too. Not necessarily anything huge - bucket updates would already be fantastic.

/u/TheFargo, have you ever considered reverting all card nerfs only for single player content? Also are you looking forward to supporting Dungeon Run and Witch Hunt?

u/TheFargo, I follow the logic on wanting players to experience different shrines, but while the change made makes it potentially easier to practice with a specific shrine until you get a single victory I'm concerned about whether it actually addresses the issue of not getting access to shrines you want to try or enjoy most.

Unless you are currently on a specific shrine or lose specifically to it, the chances of getting any particular shrine or set of shrines for your next run has dropped by nearly half. And if you choose to try something new for a single run, the new rules make it harder than before to get your favorites again (e.g. dropped from 1/13 to 1/25 for a single desired shrine).

In Dungeon Run, I greatly enjoyed learning Warlock, especially demon focused control decks. Not every run had options to go towards my favorite strategies, so part of getting better at the class was learning when to lean to zoo, etc. Eventually I felt pretty confident in victory, regardless of whether I got my favored passives or not in the first pick. Unless you purposely lose, there's still no way to persistently explore any set of options narrower than ~half the total shrines.

Edit: On further reflection, this seems to particularly punish trying an unfamiliar shrine. If you don't like it, you know up front you'll be stuck with it in your next pool as well, whereas if you don't experiment and stick with something you like, you know that you'll either win or have an option you like next time.

thought I'd check it out in-game but I can't start my 3rd match, against Zentimo, because it keeps loading for a while (also giving me my current waiting time and average queue time) and then crashes saying "oops, we were unable to start a game for you"

We had a ton of fun making mode

Grammar error in case you want to quickly fix that /u/TheFargo ;)

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My god. Rumble Run changes can't come soon enough. Tried a round with Battlecry Shaman and wasn't offered a single Battlecry-synergy card in 6 fights. A lot of Murloc and Spell synergy, but the only battlecry I saw in either of those buckets was Electra, which doesn't even activate extra.

I like the adventure aspect of Dungeon Run, Witch Hunt, Rumble Run, etc...

Has anyone at Blizzard played a game like "Etherlords II"? It would be exceedingly fun to have a bit more of an adventure component to something like this. A game mode where I can capture buildings to earn resources to craft cards for my wondering hero on his quest to defeat an enemy. (Think like top-down walking around on a map type of adventure).

In early builds of the Rumble Run, we allowed players to pick a class and shrine before playing. What we found was that playtesters immediately picked their favorite class, gravitated to a certain shrine, and played that shrine repeatedly.

What the fuck? Basically, you found that players wanted to have fun with single player content the way they wanted to have fun with it, and you said "well screw them, not on my watch!" and then deliberately hamstrung the mode so that people were forced to not have as much fun.

With this update, whenever you lose, you can expect to always be offered the shrine you just lost with.

How about: There is a selection screen, in the beginning you have to pick random, but every shrine you lost or won with gets "unlocked" and can be selected at any time freely.

That way players have to try everything once but then can pick whatever they want

Giving players the chance to replay with the shrine they lost with is a very good change. It means that once they find the shrine they enjoy, they can stick with it.

One thing that does worry me though is that you haven't fixed the interaction between the Thekal retaliation shrine and the Hi'reek self-damage shrine. Do you consider it a problem when one of the shrine matchups is a guaranteed blowout on turn 2?

I'm glad you've revisited Rumble Run, but this absurdly overly-complicated change makes no sense, and goes against the community's complaints. What's about to follow in my comment might sound harsh, but it comes with the best intentions.

In early builds of the Rumble Run, we allowed players to pick a class and shrine before playing. What we found was that playtesters immediately picked their favorite class, gravitated to a certain shrine, and played that shrine repeatedly.

So? This is a single-player mode, without any rewards. It is there just for fun. If I want to complete Rumble Run with a specific class and shrine for the umpteenth time, so be it.

Preventing people from playing the game how they want just because you don't want them to is an awful excuse to not allowing us pick a class. Rumble Run is hardly a 'competitive' mode; as I said people play it for fun, and this only needlessly frustrates players.

If you wanted to incite players to choose different classes – fine, you could've left the first 1 month of the expansion be a random-draft run, and then 'reintroduced' class picks.

Instead, you try to address criticism by making it even harder for people to pick up their favorite class and just complete a run in their free afternoon. Your excuse makes as much sense as forcing players to play a 'random' deck from their collection when facing adventure bosses.

As a result, I have played Rumble Runs the great grand total of 4 times. Not that I did not like the concept of the mode, but I certainly did not enjoy being forced to pick a class, just because the developers felt I shouldn't have fun the way I want to. There was no strategic decision making involved in picking your class (unlike in Arena), so the forced 'choice' was even worse.

The only explanation I can think of is that the code for the class selection system has been removed at some point completely, and it requires too much effort to reintroduce it now. But if that was the case, I do not wish to imagine what kind of Italian linguini, pici, pappardelle and tagliatelle is the code that powers Rumble Runs.

Thank you! Rumble Run felt punishing. I've only tried a few runs so far, but I've got a Boss 8 waiting for the bus ride home this afternoon. Hope it goes well!

Hi, thanks for posting this and lurking. I have a question for you:

I've really enjoyed Dungeon Run and Monster Hunt. Each has provided me with dozens of hours of fun. So why is Rumble Run so short? I think it took me 2 hours to finish. That wasn't remotely possible on the other two.

I like the format alot, but it's just such a short single run through that it's hard to get excited about it. Why not make it 9 different classes ala Dungeon Run, or at least with 4 different champions ala Monster Hunt?

Overwhelming feedback has been about shrine/class choice. Why not just let us pick what we want to play with? Of course some will get used more than others, but people will be having fun.

Not that I don’t appreciate changes to RR (it was not really skill dependant), but this is the thing talked about most, aside from the unfair AI turns.

Only thing I can't stand is that apparently they had the ability to let us choose class/shrine, but decided not to because people kept picking their favorites and that's bad for some reason.

I will never understand the reasoning for "when players were offered maximum freedom, they did X and played their favorite Y, therefore we made that impossible."

I really hate being condescended to in how I play the game. I don't need you to tell me I play your free game mode incorrectly.

Hi. I appreciate that you are taking feedback. I've written a lot, but before I get into it I would like to say that I imagine there was a lot of hard work by the team that was put into the Rumble. I also imagine there was a lot of disappointment for how negatively it has been recieved. As someone that found it be an unpleasant experience, I want it to be known that I don't want people to lose their jobs or feel bad. I just want future content to be more enjoyable. With than in mind, I tried to provide clearly defined things that I have enjoyed or disliked about recent PVE releases.

Dungeon Run was supercharged versions of traditional class and core Hearthstone strategies; the card buckets and treasures really dialed that in with a variety strategies. The treasures and the buffs make normal cards much more powerful in a dirty of ways and contexts. It's still the best of the new style of PVE content.

Monster Hunt felt like Dungeon Run 2 with new class styles based on existing class frameworks. This was a subtle yet important tweak as Toki in MH doesn't feel like Jaina in DR (and so on). I really enjoyed the iteration of the ideas and concepts in DR and it was fairly well executed, if a bit short. I really enjoyed the Hagatha boss fight as it tied the mode together and provided one of best boss fights we've had (like Medihv vs Prince Malchezar).

I disliked the Boomday Project on every level imaginable. It felt like homework. Many of the tasks felt like tutorials and I ended up just using the solution guides. I know most people used the solution guides so the card back has absolutely zero clout. It is a fancy basic card back to me. I haven't even bothered to do the easily repeated challenges to obtain it on my alternate account. Specific issues include lack of variables means everyone has the same experience, lack of replay value, lack of sense of accomplishment due to rampant guide use, and no sense of epicness. Aside from the streamers who solved it for an audience, few people were ever going to feel a sense of pride and accomplishment upon completion compared to other PVE content.

The only reason I don't consider Boomsday Project the worse PVE content is that Rumble was released. Whereas Monster Hunt improved upon Dungeon Run, RR swerved into so many of the mistakes you avoided. The bonuses that you based your deck around were fragile. The power scaling was terribly lopsided. Instead of feeling like I had a powerful deck, I felt like I had a few powerful cards. I won two Rumbles on the back of the Shaman cost reduction Shrine and Unstable Evolution. My goal was to grab every random spell generator that I could so I could RNG into more Unstable Evolutions. I was hard mulling for my only Unstable Evolution. Just because i wanted to win, get my cardback, and stop playing, I used the easiest methods known. I tried to do it honestly for several hours and it sucked. So instead I just went full cheese. It was boring yet effective. I used Mage to complete it twice as well. It was again a cheese out situation. Perhaps the retooling will help, but the game mode has scarred me.

This is one of the real problems with Rumble. You only have to win it once to get the reward (thank god) so there is minimal incentive to master it (and mastery feels like enduring RNG). There is also no real way to define mastery. Unlocking Heroic cardbacks or Prince Arthas was mastering an Adventure. Defeating all 9 classes in Dungeon Run felt like mastery. Same with clearing Monster Hunt with all four classes and defeating Hagatha in Monster Hunt. Rumble offers a personal challenge, but it is difficult to navigate and is either grueling (all 9 classes) or nuts (all 27 shrines). A good solo mode needs a clear, reasonable demarcation point of mastery.

What I would like to see from solo content is a return to a traditional adventure like we had with Knights of the Frozen Throne. This adventure was great for many reasons such as having a tutorial on Deathknights, giving a free Deathknight to players long after the initial release (making it easier to jump into the game for newer plyers), having a variety of different solo missions, and the really unfair fights against The Lich King. I feel like anyone who has Arthas went through the same hard times I went through. I feel a sense of community from knowing that someone else dedicated themselves to obtaining him in spite the daunting challenge. However, I do understand that these type of adventures are less welcoming to Standard players so I wouldn't expect more than one a year.

I would also like to see the production of Duneon Run/Monster Hunt/Rumble variations slowed. Three of the last four PVE releases used the buffs/treasures + buckets gameplay style. This is a walking disaster as there are only so many cards printed each year so we only have so many potential options. How many variations on C'Thun, Jades, Dragons, Pirates, Spell Mage etc with mostly the same cards can we have with it still be entertaining? Dungeon Run had these buckets in various class identies and some were retouched on in Monster Hunt. Some found themselves in RR, too. So a moratorium on some frequent mechanics to make room for others is something that I would suggest. A specific request of mine would be a Monster Hunt style PVE with the classes that werent used (Warlock, Priest, Paladin, Shaman, and Druid)

Finally, I would like to talk about rewards. I am bored by cardbacks. I get 12 a year from Monthly chests. I've earned many from PVE content, Legend ranking, promotions, alternate heroes, etc. I have like 50 cardbacks. Some people have way more than I own due to preorders and playing longer. Please have a different final reward sometimes. Prince Arthas was a fitting reward for such a challenge. We've since had 4 cardbacks. I dont expect every reward to be an Alternate Hero, but i would hope that not every reward is a cardback. Things I would suggest as rewards: if there is a C'Thun or Marin the Fox like card given away then perhaps completing the PVE content unlocks the Golden version; alternate heroes; a random golden epic from the set. The reward isn't the main point, but the destination of the journey does matter. Knowing I would get Arthas or the K&C cardback kept me going during some rough challenges. The Rumble cardback was serviceable, but I mostly finished it because I didn't want to be a quitter.

Tl;dr:

1) Please bring back Adventures

2) Fewer Dungeon Run style releases please (one per year would be better than two a year)

3) Keep innovating, but only to improve the experience not merely to do something different

4) Using something other than a Cardback for a final reward could be cool

5) A good solo mode needs a clear, reasonable demarcation point of mastery.