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shifted focus is Huge and has been needed https://t.co/AAIFQPQjiM

shifted focus is Huge and has been needed https://t.co/AAIFQPQjiM

iihavetoes

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

shifted focus is Huge and has been needed https://t.co/AAIFQPQjiM

iihavetoes

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

Disappointing for me. PvE rates are too high to be interesting https://t.co/ZoKt4qBcFz

iihavetoes

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

Sure I guess but why not lower? https://t.co/idwNuymR9K

iihavetoes

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

And is there a Shuriken damage nerf? Definitely wait-and-see but the monkey paw flinch is hilarious (I'm not part of the CANCEL FLINCH crowd) https://t.co/lhaHxLWXEW

iihavetoes

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

Thank the lord https://t.co/cN7AXxAMx9

iihavetoes

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

So hard to visualize this but in any event, suck it Coldsnap https://t.co/wVIscrC6nP

iihavetoes

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

LMFAOOOOOOO https://t.co/RP977oHmse

iihavetoes

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

They buffed me https://t.co/GLRz11CIrt

iihavetoes

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

Absolutely not a big enough nerf https://t.co/8Ej9qTFa6O

iihavetoes

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

LMFAOOOOOOOOO https://t.co/j892pFxcNq

iihavetoes

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

1) please reduce the damage further 2) am I imagining being slowed for 8s in Crucible? What is this 4.5s? https://t.co/FMwCfq6ojp

Chadd Nervigg

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

@iihavetoes This feels like the struggles of balancing an ability set that's foundationally built upon mechanics that feel really good for you to use, and feel really bad to have used against you. It's a situation with no great solution.

Chadd Nervigg

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

@iihavetoes I'm very experienced with this sort of situation. If you balance based on data... Well, everyone still plays it because it's fun. The best players play it so its data stays decent. And everyone complains it's OP cause it keeps getting used against them.

Chadd Nervigg

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

@iihavetoes If you balance based on feel/complaints... Well, you end up with a significantly underperforming spec that everyone finally realizes is underperforming, and mass exoduses from. So the solution has to be somewhere in the middle.

Chadd Nervigg

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

@iihavetoes And that usually means making very small changes at a time, because the risk of overshooting is so large, trying to focus on tuning knobs that have large effects on 'feel' (especially target-negative feel), small effects on 'actual performance'.

Chadd Nervigg

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

@iihavetoes If anything, that list of changes look like *drastic* overnerfs. Nerfing 10 different things about a spec is *incredibly* risky, because it drives down the predictability of your changes' results.

Chadd Nervigg

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

@iihavetoes Take Revenant for example. "Generally in the top 6 specs" (out of 30). Well, half the specs aren't even remotely considered PvP-viable by the community (and I have no reason to expect data shows any different). So really, being 6th out of 15 is... fine?

Chadd Nervigg

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

@iihavetoes Certainly not worthy of being nerfed terribly hard, based on data, anyway. And the "better players play this spec, driving up its numbers" effect cannot be understated; it's actually huge. So in terms of statistical balance, Revenant is probably mediocre. And yet, a dozen nerfs.

iihavetoes

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

@Celestalon Let's forget win rate how do you quantify this is anti fun it should not be like this

Chadd Nervigg

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

@iihavetoes You don't. Fun is nearly entirely* subjective and feel based, which can make these decisions so obscenely hard (and make you fall back on data when faced with it). *There's some quantifiability through surveys and the like, but that's limited, and uncertain.

iihavetoes

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

@Celestalon You're the professional, not me. Thankfully Stasis on Titan and Hunter can be carried by movement abilities

iihavetoes

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

@Celestalon And overnerf also sounds great 😂

Chadd Nervigg

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

@iihavetoes You laugh saying that, but it's not out of the question. Sometimes as a designer in these situations you just decide that the +fun of the people playing it is less than then -fun of the people they're playing against, and so decided to just nuke it, so people stop playing it.

Chadd Nervigg

Posted 4 years, 3 months ago (Source)

@iihavetoes But I'll tell you as a designer that those are some of the most depressing decisions to make, because you know that you're taking away something that's legitimately really fun, so much so that tons of people are using it *despite* its mediocre statistical performance.

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shifted focus is Huge and has been needed https://t.co/AAIFQPQjiM (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398014123019886592">None</a>)
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Disappointing for me. PvE rates are too high to be interesting https://t.co/ZoKt4qBcFz (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398014987373666304">None</a>)
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Sure I guess but why not lower? https://t.co/idwNuymR9K (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398015648786116608">None</a>)
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And is there a Shuriken damage nerf? Definitely wait-and-see but the monkey paw flinch is hilarious

(I'm not part of the CANCEL FLINCH crowd) https://t.co/lhaHxLWXEW (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398016239654428673">None</a>)
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Thank the lord https://t.co/cN7AXxAMx9 (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398016526339350528">None</a>)
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So hard to visualize this but in any event, suck it Coldsnap https://t.co/wVIscrC6nP (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398016920142565376">None</a>)
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LMFAOOOOOOO https://t.co/RP977oHmse (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398017128737898496">None</a>)
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They buffed me https://t.co/GLRz11CIrt (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398017507554861056">None</a>)
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Absolutely not a big enough nerf https://t.co/8Ej9qTFa6O (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398017843648622593">None</a>)
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LMFAOOOOOOOOO https://t.co/j892pFxcNq (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398018065355313153">None</a>)
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1) please reduce the damage further

2) am I imagining being slowed for 8s in Crucible? What is this 4.5s? https://t.co/FMwCfq6ojp (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398018617245986821">None</a>)
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@iihavetoes This feels like the struggles of balancing an ability set that's foundationally built upon mechanics that feel really good for you to use, and feel really bad to have used against you.

It's a situation with no great solution. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398020766688448513">Chadd Nervigg</a>)
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@iihavetoes I'm very experienced with this sort of situation. If you balance based on data... Well, everyone still plays it because it's fun. The best players play it so its data stays decent. And everyone complains it's OP cause it keeps getting used against them. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398021123506282498">Chadd Nervigg</a>)
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@iihavetoes If you balance based on feel/complaints... Well, you end up with a significantly underperforming spec that everyone finally realizes is underperforming, and mass exoduses from.

So the solution has to be somewhere in the middle. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398021586771320833">Chadd Nervigg</a>)
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@iihavetoes And that usually means making very small changes at a time, because the risk of overshooting is so large, trying to focus on tuning knobs that have large effects on 'feel' (especially target-negative feel), small effects on 'actual performance'. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398021930054078464">Chadd Nervigg</a>)
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@iihavetoes If anything, that list of changes look like *drastic* overnerfs. Nerfing 10 different things about a spec is *incredibly* risky, because it drives down the predictability of your changes' results. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398022565096951810">Chadd Nervigg</a>)
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@iihavetoes Take Revenant for example. "Generally in the top 6 specs" (out of 30). Well, half the specs aren't even remotely considered PvP-viable by the community (and I have no reason to expect data shows any different). So really, being 6th out of 15 is... fine? (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398023297892192256">Chadd Nervigg</a>)
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@iihavetoes Certainly not worthy of being nerfed terribly hard, based on data, anyway. And the "better players play this spec, driving up its numbers" effect cannot be understated; it's actually huge. So in terms of statistical balance, Revenant is probably mediocre.

And yet, a dozen nerfs. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398023914400280576">Chadd Nervigg</a>)
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@Celestalon Let's forget win rate how do you quantify this is anti fun it should not be like this (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398024657794523136">None</a>)
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@iihavetoes You don't. Fun is nearly entirely* subjective and feel based, which can make these decisions so obscenely hard (and make you fall back on data when faced with it).

*There's some quantifiability through surveys and the like, but that's limited, and uncertain. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398025372885651458">Chadd Nervigg</a>)
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@Celestalon You're the professional, not me. Thankfully Stasis on Titan and Hunter can be carried by movement abilities (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398023271489040384">None</a>)
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@Celestalon And overnerf also sounds great 😂 (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398023490012291074">None</a>)
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@iihavetoes You laugh saying that, but it's not out of the question. Sometimes as a designer in these situations you just decide that the +fun of the people playing it is less than then -fun of the people they're playing against, and so decided to just nuke it, so people stop playing it. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398024510536785920">Chadd Nervigg</a>)
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@iihavetoes But I'll tell you as a designer that those are some of the most depressing decisions to make, because you know that you're taking away something that's legitimately really fun, so much so that tons of people are using it *despite* its mediocre statistical performance. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398024836476145665">Chadd Nervigg</a>)
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shifted focus is Huge and has been needed https://t.co/AAIFQPQjiM

Disappointing for me. PvE rates are too high to be interesting https://t.co/ZoKt4qBcFz

Sure I guess but why not lower? https://t.co/idwNuymR9K

And is there a Shuriken damage nerf? Definitely wait-and-see but the monkey paw flinch is hilarious

(I'm not part of the CANCEL FLINCH crowd) https://t.co/lhaHxLWXEW

Thank the lord https://t.co/cN7AXxAMx9

So hard to visualize this but in any event, suck it Coldsnap https://t.co/wVIscrC6nP

LMFAOOOOOOO https://t.co/RP977oHmse

They buffed me https://t.co/GLRz11CIrt

Absolutely not a big enough nerf https://t.co/8Ej9qTFa6O

LMFAOOOOOOOOO https://t.co/j892pFxcNq

1) please reduce the damage further

2) am I imagining being slowed for 8s in Crucible? What is this 4.5s? https://t.co/FMwCfq6ojp

@iihavetoes This feels like the struggles of balancing an ability set that's foundationally built upon mechanics that feel really good for you to use, and feel really bad to have used against you.

It's a situation with no great solution. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398020766688448513">Source</a>)

@iihavetoes I'm very experienced with this sort of situation. If you balance based on data... Well, everyone still plays it because it's fun. The best players play it so its data stays decent. And everyone complains it's OP cause it keeps getting used against them. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398021123506282498">Source</a>)

@iihavetoes If you balance based on feel/complaints... Well, you end up with a significantly underperforming spec that everyone finally realizes is underperforming, and mass exoduses from.

So the solution has to be somewhere in the middle. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398021586771320833">Source</a>)

@iihavetoes And that usually means making very small changes at a time, because the risk of overshooting is so large, trying to focus on tuning knobs that have large effects on 'feel' (especially target-negative feel), small effects on 'actual performance'. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398021930054078464">Source</a>)

@iihavetoes If anything, that list of changes look like *drastic* overnerfs. Nerfing 10 different things about a spec is *incredibly* risky, because it drives down the predictability of your changes' results. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398022565096951810">Source</a>)

@iihavetoes Take Revenant for example. "Generally in the top 6 specs" (out of 30). Well, half the specs aren't even remotely considered PvP-viable by the community (and I have no reason to expect data shows any different). So really, being 6th out of 15 is... fine? (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398023297892192256">Source</a>)

@iihavetoes Certainly not worthy of being nerfed terribly hard, based on data, anyway. And the "better players play this spec, driving up its numbers" effect cannot be understated; it's actually huge. So in terms of statistical balance, Revenant is probably mediocre.

And yet, a dozen nerfs. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398023914400280576">Source</a>)

@Celestalon Let's forget win rate how do you quantify this is anti fun it should not be like this

@iihavetoes You don't. Fun is nearly entirely* subjective and feel based, which can make these decisions so obscenely hard (and make you fall back on data when faced with it).

*There's some quantifiability through surveys and the like, but that's limited, and uncertain. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398025372885651458">Source</a>)
 
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@Celestalon You're the professional, not me. Thankfully Stasis on Titan and Hunter can be carried by movement abilities

@Celestalon And overnerf also sounds great 😂

@iihavetoes You laugh saying that, but it's not out of the question. Sometimes as a designer in these situations you just decide that the +fun of the people playing it is less than then -fun of the people they're playing against, and so decided to just nuke it, so people stop playing it. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398024510536785920">Source</a>)

@iihavetoes But I'll tell you as a designer that those are some of the most depressing decisions to make, because you know that you're taking away something that's legitimately really fun, so much so that tons of people are using it *despite* its mediocre statistical performance. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1398024836476145665">Source</a>)
 
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