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Hey all, what are some changes to passive Treasures in Duels you would like to see?! Drop your feedback below!

Hey all, what are some changes to passive Treasures in Duels you would like to see?! Drop your feedback below!

  • Tabayrak
    Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
    Hey all, what are some changes to passive Treasures in Duels you would like to see?! Drop your feedback below!

    • RegisKillbin
      Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
      @Tabayrak SHUFFLE 60 SCROLLS OF WONDER INTO YOUR DECK.

      • Tabayrak
        Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
        @RegisKillbin Don't tempt me. I was actually thinkin Legendary Loot could get a glow up, something like if you are Regis start the game with a Skull of the Man'ari. :P

        • RegisKillbin
          Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
          @Tabayrak I mean... I'll just start running demons in every deck I guess.

          • Tabayrak
            Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
            @RegisKillbin Dang I got got.

    • machadogps
      Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
      @Tabayrak I'll be doing a thread talking about the passives I think could get a nudge. I'm not an expert in any way in Duels! I just play it sometimes for fun. 1. Arcanite Crystal: Compared to other treasures, reducing by 1 only a spell, and not less by 1, seems underwhelming. Could be 2.

      • machadogps
        Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
        @Tabayrak 2. Grommash's Armguards: Weapons are already a very specific type of card, and reducing them only by one, seems a tad underpowered. Maybe it could also give them a little buff? Like +1 Attack, or just +1 Durability.

        • machadogps
          Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
          @Tabayrak 3. Firekeeper's Idol: In paper, it seems nuts! Summon a 1/2 elemental for each fire spell, but when you take account what happens in the late fights in duels, it does almost nothing. Maybe the Elemental could be a little stronger, 2/2?

          • machadogps
            Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
            @Tabayrak 4. Party Replacement: This is a nutty passive. But I'd like it to be nerfed again, and not made rarer, as it's a very frustrating passive to play against. I've seen a suggestion that I really liked before. Maybe you start with -1 Mana Crystal to compensate the free 2/2's.

            • machadogps
              Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
              @Tabayrak 5. And finally, Ooops, All Spells! Most decks that pick this passive just ignore it's drawback, and as a result get a free Incanter's Flow + A Mini Arcanist Dawngrasp just by starting the game. The mana reduction could be gone.

              • machadogps
                Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
                @Tabayrak 6. This is the end of the mini-thread. I just want to remind that I really like the direction you guys are going with Duels! Specially the communication. All of these suggestions are just my opinion, so there could be some bias.

                • Tabayrak
                  Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
                  @machadogps appreciate it.

    • chrome575
      Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
      @Tabayrak These four in particular are very weak passive1. I don't want to choose them. Please make them stronger. https://t.co/NDfkrmBO1A

      • Tabayrak
        Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
        @chrome575 I can always count on you @chrome575!

    • RidiculousHat
      Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
      @Tabayrak i'd like to answer your question with questions of my own - can you walk through the reasoning behind moving rally/party/oops to ultra rare instead of removing or rebalancing? do you generally think that rarity nerfs are an effective way to adjust balance?

      • GluchLucky
        Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
        @RidiculousHat @Tabayrak Thanks for framing it like this. I’m really interested in any answers. Balancing with offering odds for individual cards in Arena doesn’t feel good when they get the ultra-rare and it wins the game. Balancing offering odds by class to lessen winrate spread, feels much better

        • RidiculousHat
          Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
          @GluchLucky @Tabayrak for what it's worth i am not sure where i land - i think there's a lot of value to duels offering unique play experiences and i think the idea of something like party replacements is really cool but shouldn't happen every run. i am mostly curious as to the logic

          • RidiculousHat
            Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
            @GluchLucky @Tabayrak my question wasn't rhetorical because i could totally see these particular passives not actually being huge power outliers - especially if you can't rely on building around them. but i could also see this as a bandaid until the passive algo is adjusted again

            • Tabayrak
              Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
              @RidiculousHat @GluchLucky Duels is really fortunate to have a bunch of nobs for tuning. A complexity we have when it comes to tuning cards in general is the amount of lead time other supporting teams need. Where as moving pools and adjusting rarity requires far less. Most of the time this is a Band-Aid.

    • Christian_HS_
      Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
      @Tabayrak Oh! I am surprised seeing this, Blizzard is always doing the: "We know better, why should we listen to you, you know nothing." *Ahem* Well, I hope this is a sign of you(Blizzard) trying to connect with the players, because WE know better than you all do, we play your games 24/7.

      • Tabayrak
        Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
        @Christian_HS_ You got feedback on Duels- don't hesitate to send it my way. I try to keep a pretty open dialogue with the Duels community maybe @chrome575 @HSPersia @TeamAmericaHS could attest. :P Welcome to the community.

        • SSBMFree
          Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
          @Tabayrak @Christian_HS_ @chrome575 @HSPersia @TeamAmericaHS in that case...pls fix Infinite Arcane so it doesn't present itself as an option, and grants you a Peruse card instead of fatigue dmg on draw (or something like that) thx :) (https://t.co/wLxrElsVil)

          • Tabayrak
            Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
            @SSBMFree @Christian_HS_ @chrome575 @HSPersia @TeamAmericaHS This is a good suggestion I will take a look at it. I appreciate it.

        • WiseZog
          Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
          @Tabayrak @Christian_HS_ @chrome575 @HSPersia @TeamAmericaHS You definitely keep an open dialogue with us duels players! This is probably more possible for the duels devs due to the smaller and dare I say it a less toxic sub community from the main game lmao.

          • Tabayrak
            Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
            @WiseZog @Christian_HS_ @chrome575 @HSPersia @TeamAmericaHS As long as we continue to foster this kind of community I will continue to be open. You guys are great!

    • jrhsk8
      Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
      @Tabayrak I personally felt like Duels was a top tier mode, maybe the best, when passives were 100% deterministic. I think it requires more delicate balance, but it can and should be done imo. The absolute worst feeling is when you have a deck idea, you do great, and get bad passives.

      • jrhsk8
        Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
        @Tabayrak Playing Duels after that change got pushed was really annoying. I'd see a cool deck, try and make it, and fail once or twice. It felt like a waste of time playing out a deck that was just going to meet better passives and fizzle out at 3 wins or whatever.

        • Tabayrak
          Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
          @jrhsk8 Jack! One day we will see the return of more deterministic treasures. There will be a bit of a difference from what you may expect though. The goal of the system will be to always give you a treasure that supports your deck.

          • Tabayrak
            Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
            @jrhsk8 There is a fair amount of legwork I need to do before we get to that point, and I hope we do. That leg work is more passives. This will curb the likelihood you will always feed you a specific treasure and instead encourage the system to support the deck you made with a viable one

    • omerbim
      Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
      @Tabayrak How about re-designing the whole duels deck building, and say we accumulate some sort of "duel golds" as we proceed, and either risk & keep saving for a big reward later in our run or buy small upgrades like a little bucket of minions, or passive or active treasure?

      • quoeh
        Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
        @omerbim @Tabayrak think this is a great idea, but too late to implement. oh well. maybe bob's tavern from the adventures could be added in some wat though

        • Tabayrak
          Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
          @quoeh @omerbim I THINK OF BOB EVERYDAY! *resets my Bob clock*

    • quoeh
      Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
      @Tabayrak it just seems hideously difficult to do. i've not been satisfied since a bit before, the passives suiting deck changes, but i haven't personally thought of a way i'd do any of the changes better- it all kind of made sense. good luck! maybe a bit swifter?

      • Tabayrak
        Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
        @quoeh Dog if you only knew.

    • TeamAmericaHS
      Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
      @Tabayrak unlocked potential is worthless and all together now is very underwhelming, from the swamp is pretty worthless as well and cannibalism. Erie stone could use help, fel stone might be the worst passive ever, can small backpacks really not be 2 cards?

      • Tabayrak
        Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
        @TeamAmericaHS Unlocked Potential Pool 1? LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO

    • Kwe_HS
      Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
      @Tabayrak Bees, Caltrops, Books of wonders, Felstone, Deathly Death, dragons blood, eerie stone, greedy gains, hagatha's embrace, Inspiring presence, invigorating light, robes of shrinking, floor is lava, tier 2 ATN, robes of shrinking, armguards, and unlocked potential are all to weak.

      • Kwe_HS
        Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
        @Tabayrak I never want these passives under any circumstances. You can give them buffs or delete/replace them but I find a huge downside of duels is there is so many terrible passives that a lot of runs are hopeless because your passive don't do anything.

        • Tabayrak
          Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
          @Kwe_HS Kwe I missed you!

    • Tabayrak
      Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
      Thanks everyone, we appreciate your feedback. Remember don't hesitate to drop me feedback in the future. I will do another one of these again. https://t.co/z4o0naLWPb

    • Enthralimund1
      Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
      @Tabayrak I would really love to see more balance done around the starting treasures. Some of them could really cost a lot less... https://t.co/kFSqAdvngF

      • Tabayrak
        Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
        @Enthralimund1 I'll take a look.

    • JackeeDaytona_
      Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
      @Tabayrak Interaction between The Exorcisor and Avenging Armaments is broken. I silenced the minions, meaning no divine shield, every one, despite getting lethaldamage, came back with 1 health and more damage, but I only took original damage in the attack.

      • Tabayrak
        Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
        @JackeeDaytona_ @fusrohdaniel mind taking a look when you can. Thanks @JackeeDaytona_

        • JackeeDaytona_
          Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
          @Tabayrak @fusrohdaniel I'm surprised you understood that with my bizarre punctuation. I'm very tired.

          • Tabayrak
            Posted 4 years, 4 months ago (Source)
            @JackeeDaytona_ @fusrohdaniel Don't sweat it!
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