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I have to imagine many wow devs feel this way as well. https://t.co/kt3DDAbIQu

I have to imagine many wow devs feel this way as well. https://t.co/kt3DDAbIQu

kenandstuff

Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)

I have to imagine many wow devs feel this way as well. https://t.co/kt3DDAbIQu

thewileyside

Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)

@kenandstuff ya

thewileyside

Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)

@kenandstuff ken you’ve got a thick skin with all of the block-worthy replies you’ve gotten. players assume all of this is a big PR move. if they don’t see what we’re doing internally and we don’t publicly talk about it, clearly nothing is happening and we’re trying to cover up.

thewileyside

Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)

@kenandstuff we aren’t the ones publicizing these changes. without datamining, people wouldn’t even notice. we push for change, we make our game AND team a better place, and now we’re all scared to tweet about anything because we’ll get attacked by the very people who supported us 2 mo ago.

thewileyside

Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)

@kenandstuff our team is full of women, minorities, marginalized devs who are being listened to. the team has banded together, from interns to directors, to change what we can in the short term while pushing for long term. we stay to push for positive change, because we know it will happen.

HamletEJ

Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)

@thewileyside @kenandstuff Furthermore--a bunch of us have been pretty openly saying that we outright avoid talking about this due to the onmipresent threat of harassment, but honestly seeing people like you stand up and say it publicly makes me feel remiss if I didn't support it.

HamletEJ

Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)

@thewileyside @kenandstuff I guess if something has stood out to me in the past day or two, it's the meme/narrative that if changes were motivated by the devs, they must somehow be at the expense of the players. Which is baffling--devs are pushing for changes _to_ make the game better for players.

Chadd Nervigg

Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)

@HamletEJ @thewileyside @kenandstuff Something I've noticed is that... If players don't understand the reasoning for something, they just *make something up*. And if enough people don't understand something, those made up reasons spread like gospel.

Chadd Nervigg

Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)

@HamletEJ @thewileyside @kenandstuff There's nobody with the actual reason to correct the made up reason, so it just spreads, and the majority are unaware that it was baseless in the first place.

Chadd Nervigg

Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)

@HamletEJ @thewileyside @kenandstuff Datamining is a huge negative contributor to this sort of thing, because it often presents changes with no context, incorrect context, incomplete knowledge, etc.
askagamedev

Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)

@Celestalon @HamletEJ @thewileyside @kenandstuff Even if somebody does correct the made-up reason, the made-up reason still has its own momentum and virality. If the made-up reason is more viral/memeworthy than the actual reason (which it usually is), it will still spread faster than the truth

Chadd Nervigg

Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)

@askagamedev @HamletEJ @thewileyside @kenandstuff Exactly!

PatrikLiba1

Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)

@Celestalon @HamletEJ @thewileyside @kenandstuff Well when they see changes to X or Y and there is like 0 dev post behind reasoning and why it was changed.Or when even answers do not align logically somehow. What else do you all expect .

Chadd Nervigg

Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)

@PatrikLiba1 @HamletEJ @thewileyside @kenandstuff I'm saying that this sort of player behavior SHOULD be expected. And not that it's good or right (it's not), just expected. The more non-obvious the reasons for something are, the more important it becomes to share the real reason.

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I have to imagine many wow devs feel this way as well. https://t.co/kt3DDAbIQu (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1443636505684021255">None</a>)
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@kenandstuff ya (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1443637438874734599">None</a>)
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@kenandstuff ken you’ve got a thick skin with all of the block-worthy replies you’ve gotten. players assume all of this is a big PR move. if they don’t see what we’re doing internally and we don’t publicly talk about it, clearly nothing is happening and we’re trying to cover up. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1444374943869722625">None</a>)
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@kenandstuff we aren’t the ones publicizing these changes. without datamining, people wouldn’t even notice. we push for change, we make our game AND team a better place, and now we’re all scared to tweet about anything because we’ll get attacked by the very people who supported us 2 mo ago. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1444375610315317251">None</a>)
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@kenandstuff our team is full of women, minorities, marginalized devs who are being listened to. the team has banded together, from interns to directors, to change what we can in the short term while pushing for long term. we stay to push for positive change, because we know it will happen. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1444376125791113221">None</a>)
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@thewileyside @kenandstuff Furthermore--a bunch of us have been pretty openly saying that we outright avoid talking about this due to the onmipresent threat of harassment, but honestly seeing people like you stand up and say it publicly makes me feel remiss if I didn't support it. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1444407215855587330">None</a>)
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@thewileyside @kenandstuff I guess if something has stood out to me in the past day or two, it's the meme/narrative that if changes were motivated by the devs, they must somehow be at the expense of the players. Which is baffling--devs are pushing for changes _to_ make the game better for players. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1444408052275236864">None</a>)
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@HamletEJ @thewileyside @kenandstuff Something I've noticed is that... If players don't understand the reasoning for something, they just *make something up*. And if enough people don't understand something, those made up reasons spread like gospel. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1444409700343107585">Chadd Nervigg</a>)
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@HamletEJ @thewileyside @kenandstuff There's nobody with the actual reason to correct the made up reason, so it just spreads, and the majority are unaware that it was baseless in the first place. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1444410278649610241">Chadd Nervigg</a>)
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@HamletEJ @thewileyside @kenandstuff Datamining is a huge negative contributor to this sort of thing, because it often presents changes with no context, incorrect context, incomplete knowledge, etc. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1444410717109555203">Chadd Nervigg</a>)
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@Celestalon @HamletEJ @thewileyside @kenandstuff Even if somebody does correct the made-up reason, the made-up reason still has its own momentum and virality. If the made-up reason is more viral/memeworthy than the actual reason (which it usually is), it will still spread faster than the truth (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1444411002603311107">None</a>)
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@askagamedev @HamletEJ @thewileyside @kenandstuff Exactly! (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1444411179237969923">Chadd Nervigg</a>)
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@Celestalon @HamletEJ @thewileyside @kenandstuff Well when they see changes to X or Y and there is like 0 dev post behind reasoning and why it was changed.Or when even answers do not align logically somehow.
What else do you all expect . (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1444411293637791745">None</a>)
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@PatrikLiba1 @HamletEJ @thewileyside @kenandstuff I'm saying that this sort of player behavior SHOULD be expected. And not that it's good or right (it's not), just expected.

The more non-obvious the reasons for something are, the more important it becomes to share the real reason. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1444412775472590848">Chadd Nervigg</a>)
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I have to imagine many wow devs feel this way as well. https://t.co/kt3DDAbIQu

@kenandstuff ya

@kenandstuff ken you’ve got a thick skin with all of the block-worthy replies you’ve gotten. players assume all of this is a big PR move. if they don’t see what we’re doing internally and we don’t publicly talk about it, clearly nothing is happening and we’re trying to cover up.

@kenandstuff we aren’t the ones publicizing these changes. without datamining, people wouldn’t even notice. we push for change, we make our game AND team a better place, and now we’re all scared to tweet about anything because we’ll get attacked by the very people who supported us 2 mo ago.

@kenandstuff our team is full of women, minorities, marginalized devs who are being listened to. the team has banded together, from interns to directors, to change what we can in the short term while pushing for long term. we stay to push for positive change, because we know it will happen.

@thewileyside @kenandstuff Furthermore--a bunch of us have been pretty openly saying that we outright avoid talking about this due to the onmipresent threat of harassment, but honestly seeing people like you stand up and say it publicly makes me feel remiss if I didn't support it.

@thewileyside @kenandstuff I guess if something has stood out to me in the past day or two, it's the meme/narrative that if changes were motivated by the devs, they must somehow be at the expense of the players. Which is baffling--devs are pushing for changes _to_ make the game better for players.

@HamletEJ @thewileyside @kenandstuff Something I've noticed is that... If players don't understand the reasoning for something, they just *make something up*. And if enough people don't understand something, those made up reasons spread like gospel. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1444409700343107585">Source</a>)

@HamletEJ @thewileyside @kenandstuff There's nobody with the actual reason to correct the made up reason, so it just spreads, and the majority are unaware that it was baseless in the first place. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1444410278649610241">Source</a>)

@HamletEJ @thewileyside @kenandstuff Datamining is a huge negative contributor to this sort of thing, because it often presents changes with no context, incorrect context, incomplete knowledge, etc. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1444410717109555203">Source</a>)

@Celestalon @HamletEJ @thewileyside @kenandstuff Even if somebody does correct the made-up reason, the made-up reason still has its own momentum and virality. If the made-up reason is more viral/memeworthy than the actual reason (which it usually is), it will still spread faster than the truth

@askagamedev @HamletEJ @thewileyside @kenandstuff Exactly! (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1444411179237969923">Source</a>)
 
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@Celestalon @HamletEJ @thewileyside @kenandstuff Well when they see changes to X or Y and there is like 0 dev post behind reasoning and why it was changed.Or when even answers do not align logically somehow.
What else do you all expect .

@PatrikLiba1 @HamletEJ @thewileyside @kenandstuff I'm saying that this sort of player behavior SHOULD be expected. And not that it's good or right (it's not), just expected.

The more non-obvious the reasons for something are, the more important it becomes to share the real reason. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1444412775472590848">Source</a>)
 
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