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This is a bad take. You are making people who are following the rules out to be bad for doing what they shouldn’t even be given the option to do. This has been a consistent problem in Hearthstone. A player shouldn’t get to choose to take a free win. It should be forced. https://t.co/altbq2HypS

This is a bad take. You are making people who are following the rules out to be bad for doing what they shouldn’t even be given the option to do. This has been a consistent problem in Hearthstone. A player shouldn’t get to choose to take a free win. It should be forced. https://t.co/altbq2HypS

PG_rayC

Posted 4 years, 1 month ago (Source)

This is a bad take. You are making people who are following the rules out to be bad for doing what they shouldn’t even be given the option to do. This has been a consistent problem in Hearthstone. A player shouldn’t get to choose to take a free win. It should be forced. https://t.co/altbq2HypS

blisterguy

Posted 4 years, 1 month ago (Source)

@PG_rayC Being a “ruleshark” and playing by the rules are two different things.

PG_rayC

Posted 4 years, 1 month ago (Source)

@blisterguy If someone breaks the rules, you shouldn’t be allowed to have the option to “shark” it should be a forced penalty. Giving players the option to take a free win will always cause discourse where there shouldn’t be any.

blisterguy

Posted 4 years, 1 month ago (Source)

@PG_rayC Orange is suggesting people shouldn’t smell out victims and intentionally take advantage of them. Communicating with your opponent to ensure a good game instead of an infraction is the always better. This is not a hot take, this is literally ccg good etiquette circa 2002.

PG_rayC

Posted 4 years, 1 month ago (Source)

@blisterguy If a person breaks the rules you aren’t smelling them out. It’s not angle shooting like irl card games where they take their hand off a card type thing. I’m not going to go out of my way during a long day of grinding every round to make sure they read the rules.

Chadd Nervigg

Posted 4 years, 1 month ago (Source)

@PG_rayC @blisterguy I believe that @HS_Orange's point is that this is a transition period where there's a higher than normal chance of an honest mistake, and verifying with them ahead of time ("You got the cardbacks set right for Maestra?") is easy to do, and sportsmanly.

PG_rayC

Posted 4 years, 1 month ago (Source)

@Celestalon @blisterguy @HS_Orange I agree with the pre game aspect of it if you want to do that. What I’m worried about it the actual taking the free win part. You shouldn’t have the option.

HS_Orange

Posted 4 years, 1 month ago (Source)

@PG_rayC @Celestalon @blisterguy I didn't say a word about what to do if the rule violation happened Ray. You are just putting a lot of words into my mouth and I dont appreciate that

PG_rayC

Posted 4 years, 1 month ago (Source)

@HS_Orange @Celestalon @blisterguy You said don’t try to rule shark people on this. What else would that mean?

HS_Orange

Posted 4 years, 1 month ago (Source)

@PG_rayC @Celestalon @blisterguy Exactly what my tweet said... That you should make your opponent aware of the rule before the match so that the mistake doesnt happen in the first place🙄

PG_rayC

Posted 4 years, 1 month ago (Source)

@HS_Orange @Celestalon @blisterguy But if I don’t do that then am I rule sharking when they forget? Why should I have to baby my opponent and make sure they read the rules? Am I a worse person if I forget to remind them because it’s been a long day and they don’t do it?

HS_Orange

Posted 4 years, 1 month ago (Source)

@PG_rayC @Celestalon @blisterguy I don't think Im a better person than you or anything for thinking this. In my very personal opinion if you are aware of this being a common mistake that could happen to players that are unaware, I would go the extra step to make the tournament a better experience for everyone1/2

HS_Orange

Posted 4 years, 1 month ago (Source)

@PG_rayC @Celestalon @blisterguy Rules are there to prevent people maliciously cheating or getting unfair competitive advantages. If you use these to catch people that may have missed a rules change that happened a few days before quals start while being aware of it. I think that is pretty shitty

FCBoogax

Posted 4 years, 1 month ago (Source)

@HS_Orange @PG_rayC @Celestalon @blisterguy This is turning into semantics. Orange clearly is advocating a good sportsman like behavior by being communicative before a match. But that doesn’t mean by NOT doing that you’re a bad sport. People compete differently, some ppl will be more compassionate, some pure competition🤷‍♂️

PG_rayC

Posted 4 years, 1 month ago (Source)

@FCBoogax @HS_Orange @Celestalon @blisterguy I think using the phrase rule sharking implies that someone IS being a bad sport by not doing it. Rule sharking clearly has a negative connotation that implies bad sportsmanship

Chadd Nervigg

Posted 4 years, 1 month ago (Source)

@PG_rayC @FCBoogax @HS_Orange @blisterguy Given that there's no such thing as forced enforcement for a self-reported qualifier, I think some sportsmanship for the first week or two would be good. I don't think someone is a bad person for calling a rule violation. I DO think someone is a nice person for avoiding it.

PG_rayC

Posted 4 years, 1 month ago (Source)

@Celestalon @FCBoogax @HS_Orange @blisterguy But saying someone is nice for avoiding it implies someone is less nice for not doing that. Wherein lies my issue. Also my new tweet gives a realistic option that I think solves this issue

Chadd Nervigg

Posted 4 years, 1 month ago (Source)

@PG_rayC @FCBoogax @HS_Orange @blisterguy Yes, it does. I absolutely think you are less nice for not doing it.

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This is a bad take. You are making people who are following the rules out to be bad for doing what they shouldn’t even be given the option to do. This has been a consistent problem in Hearthstone. A player shouldn’t get to choose to take a free win. It should be forced. https://t.co/altbq2HypS (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478814739614642184">None</a>)
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@PG_rayC Being a “ruleshark” and playing by the rules are two different things. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478815363546501120">None</a>)
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@blisterguy If someone breaks the rules, you shouldn’t be allowed to have the option to “shark” it should be a forced penalty. Giving players the option to take a free win will always cause discourse where there shouldn’t be any. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478815730405683204">None</a>)
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@PG_rayC Orange is suggesting people shouldn’t smell out victims and intentionally take advantage of them. Communicating with your opponent to ensure a good game instead of an infraction is the always better. This is not a hot take, this is literally ccg good etiquette circa 2002. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478816586706219013">None</a>)
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@blisterguy If a person breaks the rules you aren’t smelling them out. It’s not angle shooting like irl card games where they take their hand off a card type thing. I’m not going to go out of my way during a long day of grinding every round to make sure they read the rules. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478817170243178499">None</a>)
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@PG_rayC @blisterguy I believe that @HS_Orange's point is that this is a transition period where there's a higher than normal chance of an honest mistake, and verifying with them ahead of time ("You got the cardbacks set right for Maestra?") is easy to do, and sportsmanly. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478818043190861824">Chadd Nervigg</a>)
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@Celestalon @blisterguy @HS_Orange I agree with the pre game aspect of it if you want to do that. What I’m worried about it the actual taking the free win part. You shouldn’t have the option. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478818366639026180">None</a>)
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@PG_rayC @Celestalon @blisterguy I didn't say a word about what to do if the rule violation happened Ray. You are just putting a lot of words into my mouth and I dont appreciate that (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478819007809609731">None</a>)
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@HS_Orange @Celestalon @blisterguy You said don’t try to rule shark people on this. What else would that mean? (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478819160658489351">None</a>)
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@PG_rayC @Celestalon @blisterguy Exactly what my tweet said... That you should make your opponent aware of the rule before the match so that the mistake doesnt happen in the first place🙄 (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478819337473560579">None</a>)
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@HS_Orange @Celestalon @blisterguy But if I don’t do that then am I rule sharking when they forget? Why should I have to baby my opponent and make sure they read the rules? Am I a worse person if I forget to remind them because it’s been a long day and they don’t do it? (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478819700821868550">None</a>)
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@PG_rayC @Celestalon @blisterguy I don't think Im a better person than you or anything for thinking this. In my very personal opinion if you are aware of this being a common mistake that could happen to players that are unaware, I would go the extra step to make the tournament a better experience for everyone1/2 (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478822024273399815">None</a>)
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@PG_rayC @Celestalon @blisterguy Rules are there to prevent people maliciously cheating or getting unfair competitive advantages. If you use these to catch people that may have missed a rules change that happened a few days before quals start while being aware of it. I think that is pretty shitty (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478822291672817664">None</a>)
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@HS_Orange @PG_rayC @Celestalon @blisterguy This is turning into semantics. Orange clearly is advocating a good sportsman like behavior by being communicative before a match. But that doesn’t mean by NOT doing that you’re a bad sport. People compete differently, some ppl will be more compassionate, some pure competition🤷‍♂️ (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478825595781804035">None</a>)
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@FCBoogax @HS_Orange @Celestalon @blisterguy I think using the phrase rule sharking implies that someone IS being a bad sport by not doing it. Rule sharking clearly has a negative connotation that implies bad sportsmanship (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478827583924023301">None</a>)
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@PG_rayC @FCBoogax @HS_Orange @blisterguy Given that there's no such thing as forced enforcement for a self-reported qualifier, I think some sportsmanship for the first week or two would be good.

I don't think someone is a bad person for calling a rule violation.
I DO think someone is a nice person for avoiding it. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478832762744233986">Chadd Nervigg</a>)
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@Celestalon @FCBoogax @HS_Orange @blisterguy But saying someone is nice for avoiding it implies someone is less nice for not doing that. Wherein lies my issue. Also my new tweet gives a realistic option that I think solves this issue (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478833134380752903">None</a>)
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@PG_rayC @FCBoogax @HS_Orange @blisterguy Yes, it does. I absolutely think you are less nice for not doing it. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478833366417825794">Chadd Nervigg</a>)
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This is a bad take. You are making people who are following the rules out to be bad for doing what they shouldn’t even be given the option to do. This has been a consistent problem in Hearthstone. A player shouldn’t get to choose to take a free win. It should be forced. https://t.co/altbq2HypS

@PG_rayC Being a “ruleshark” and playing by the rules are two different things.

@blisterguy If someone breaks the rules, you shouldn’t be allowed to have the option to “shark” it should be a forced penalty. Giving players the option to take a free win will always cause discourse where there shouldn’t be any.

@PG_rayC Orange is suggesting people shouldn’t smell out victims and intentionally take advantage of them. Communicating with your opponent to ensure a good game instead of an infraction is the always better. This is not a hot take, this is literally ccg good etiquette circa 2002.

@blisterguy If a person breaks the rules you aren’t smelling them out. It’s not angle shooting like irl card games where they take their hand off a card type thing. I’m not going to go out of my way during a long day of grinding every round to make sure they read the rules.

@PG_rayC @blisterguy I believe that @HS_Orange's point is that this is a transition period where there's a higher than normal chance of an honest mistake, and verifying with them ahead of time ("You got the cardbacks set right for Maestra?") is easy to do, and sportsmanly. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478818043190861824">Source</a>)

@Celestalon @blisterguy @HS_Orange I agree with the pre game aspect of it if you want to do that. What I’m worried about it the actual taking the free win part. You shouldn’t have the option.

@PG_rayC @Celestalon @blisterguy I didn't say a word about what to do if the rule violation happened Ray. You are just putting a lot of words into my mouth and I dont appreciate that

@HS_Orange @Celestalon @blisterguy You said don’t try to rule shark people on this. What else would that mean?

@PG_rayC @Celestalon @blisterguy Exactly what my tweet said... That you should make your opponent aware of the rule before the match so that the mistake doesnt happen in the first place🙄

@HS_Orange @Celestalon @blisterguy But if I don’t do that then am I rule sharking when they forget? Why should I have to baby my opponent and make sure they read the rules? Am I a worse person if I forget to remind them because it’s been a long day and they don’t do it?

@PG_rayC @Celestalon @blisterguy I don't think Im a better person than you or anything for thinking this. In my very personal opinion if you are aware of this being a common mistake that could happen to players that are unaware, I would go the extra step to make the tournament a better experience for everyone1/2

@PG_rayC @Celestalon @blisterguy Rules are there to prevent people maliciously cheating or getting unfair competitive advantages. If you use these to catch people that may have missed a rules change that happened a few days before quals start while being aware of it. I think that is pretty shitty

@HS_Orange @PG_rayC @Celestalon @blisterguy This is turning into semantics. Orange clearly is advocating a good sportsman like behavior by being communicative before a match. But that doesn’t mean by NOT doing that you’re a bad sport. People compete differently, some ppl will be more compassionate, some pure competition🤷‍♂️

@FCBoogax @HS_Orange @Celestalon @blisterguy I think using the phrase rule sharking implies that someone IS being a bad sport by not doing it. Rule sharking clearly has a negative connotation that implies bad sportsmanship

@PG_rayC @FCBoogax @HS_Orange @blisterguy Given that there's no such thing as forced enforcement for a self-reported qualifier, I think some sportsmanship for the first week or two would be good.

I don't think someone is a bad person for calling a rule violation.
I DO think someone is a nice person for avoiding it. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478832762744233986">Source</a>)

@Celestalon @FCBoogax @HS_Orange @blisterguy But saying someone is nice for avoiding it implies someone is less nice for not doing that. Wherein lies my issue. Also my new tweet gives a realistic option that I think solves this issue

@PG_rayC @FCBoogax @HS_Orange @blisterguy Yes, it does. I absolutely think you are less nice for not doing it. (<a href="https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478833366417825794">Source</a>)
 
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