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obviously a huge souls fan and will go to bat for unforgiving mechanics, obtuseness as a tool for immersion, static difficulty being a must have, all that being so core to the design and i still think absolutely nothing would be lost by adding a separate easy mode. vibes mode

obviously a huge souls fan and will go to bat for unforgiving mechanics, obtuseness as a tool for immersion, static difficulty being a must have, all that being so core to the design and i still think absolutely nothing would be lost by adding a separate easy mode. vibes mode

  • WaltCodes
    Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
    obviously a huge souls fan and will go to bat for unforgiving mechanics, obtuseness as a tool for immersion, static difficulty being a must have, all that being so core to the design and i still think absolutely nothing would be lost by adding a separate easy mode. vibes mode

    • HS_Alec
      Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
      @WaltCodes https://t.co/ZF0nfgzITU I like most of what this says and think the low-hanging discussion of "easy mode" is usually the wrong path

    • RidiculousHat
      Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
      @WaltCodes if sekiro had an option to change checkpointing between "classic" and "modern" - where modern did what metroid dread or tsushima did by just dropping you right back outside the fight with no significant consequence - i would've devoured that game

      • DevSpacePrez
        Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
        @RidiculousHat @WaltCodes Note that Bioshock did this and gamers RIOTED about it. Human psychology is a weird thing lmao. I don't completely disagree with you, before anybody jumps down my throat.

        • WaltCodes
          Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
          @DevSpacePrez @RidiculousHat yeah true. i think if you’re gunna add knobs you have to do it in a a separate mode to avoid that. if the base game has those options i would also feel weird about it tbh

          • DevSpacePrez
            Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
            @WaltCodes @RidiculousHat And the thing is souls already has many of those knobs? Boss hard? Use summons. Use an AI NPC. Use a co-op buddy. Use the weapon element that the boss is weak to. Go find the item that stuns the boss that a quest NPC has. Avoid that boss until you're higher level. Etc.

            • DevSpacePrez
              Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
              @WaltCodes @RidiculousHat Which isn't to say the game isn't still hard or that other people are right or wrong for playing it a certain way (christ, I hate having to keep re-state this over and over or people assume I'm saying things I'm not)

              • WaltCodes
                Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                @DevSpacePrez @RidiculousHat i definitely take your point but i tend to disagree when souls fans say game mechanics equal difficulty knobs. learning boss type weaknesses isn't an accessibility option, it's how you get good at the game. and these options would be for people who don't invest in the game as-is

                • DevSpacePrez
                  Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                  @WaltCodes @RidiculousHat But that's the thing, difficulty and getting good at the game are separate from accessibility and access to the game. People with a physical disability are different from people just not wanting to invest the time, and it mixes things up to lump them all together.

                  • WaltCodes
                    Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                    @DevSpacePrez @RidiculousHat haha i knew i was wrong to use the term "accessibility", because yes that has a very specific meaning i am definitely talking about "approachability" and difficulty and having a rip-chord way of playing the game outside the normal experience for those folks who usually miss out

                    • DevSpacePrez
                      Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                      @WaltCodes @RidiculousHat That said, I think a lot of people wanting an easy mode to see the content (something I appreciate in both wow and uncharted, for example) somewhat miss how much of the game IS about overcoming challenge, which is where all these discussions break down.

                      • DevSpacePrez
                        Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                        @WaltCodes @RidiculousHat Souls has no huge story revelations, no princess to save and cutscene ending, the story is in your struggle. I don't know how to say this without possibly upsetting someone, and I'm sorry, so its just my personal view here and maybe I'm wrong 1/2

                        • DevSpacePrez
                          Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                          @WaltCodes @RidiculousHat But I legit think watching a streamer attempt a boss 10 times and fail and then finally succeed would be a more fulfilling experience than godmode killing a boss yourself first try. And its free! Streaming is cool! (But I know this feels bad to hear if you wanna play) 2/2

                          • Felmendorf
                            Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                            @DevSpacePrez @WaltCodes @RidiculousHat This is my outlook as well; the learning process is far more interesting to me than the actual moment of success, to the point that when I did a Let's Play of DS3, I compiled all my attempts on each big fight: https://t.co/SKFh30rvMv

                            • WaltCodes
                              Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                              @Felmendorf @DevSpacePrez @RidiculousHat but you guys like these games! haha of course you enjoy the learning process more than just blasting through. and i'm right there with you but we're talking about something new for people who do not have interest as-is

                              • DevSpacePrez
                                Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                                @WaltCodes @Felmendorf @RidiculousHat But that IS souls. For any other game I'd get it. But for me, without that triumph, souls would be missing its biggest part. Elden does have more argument to having other content than the past ones did.

                                • WaltCodes
                                  Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                                  @DevSpacePrez @Felmendorf @RidiculousHat but again you're describing the core dark souls experience. which is rad and good and does indeed rely on learning from boss to boss. i'm not talking about changing that, or adding any options or anything to it, i'm just saying a totally separate experience. don't see the harm

                                  • DevSpacePrez
                                    Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                                    @WaltCodes @Felmendorf @RidiculousHat Well, the harm is that some people who might get suck on a boss 10-20 times might switch to easy and then miss out on all those moments they were going to have. But I was less talking about the harm and more the lack of virtue.

                                    • RidiculousHat
                                      Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                                      @DevSpacePrez @WaltCodes @Felmendorf for what it's worth, i don't personally want "easy" mode, i want "i have less time to play games and would like the painful runbacks to not be a required part of my experience" mode. metroid dread had incredibly demanding boss fights but game was <10hr because it saved constantly

                                      • DevSpacePrez
                                        Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                                        @RidiculousHat @WaltCodes @Felmendorf Have you played Elden Ring? At least until the final zone, there's save checkpoints EVERYWHERE. Like literally every 5 feet. The "long funbacks to boss" thing isn't really in ED the way it was in Souls, at least until the very end.

                                        • RidiculousHat
                                          Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                                          @DevSpacePrez @WaltCodes @Felmendorf this is exactly the thing that i like about elden ring that has made it the first fromsoft game that i enjoy playing. that and the flask refill mechanic. it's awesome and if sekiro and earlier ds games had this i would be very happy. which i think is what walt is saying

                                          • DevSpacePrez
                                            Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                                            @RidiculousHat @WaltCodes @Felmendorf Sekiro with the ability to do crazy hookshot jumps the runs back to bosses are REAL short, its just not always obvious what the fastest path is.

                                            • RidiculousHat
                                              Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                                              @DevSpacePrez @WaltCodes @Felmendorf hard pushback on sekiro. there are multiple areas where you have to stealth kill idiots one at a time only to get killed in two hits by the boss trying to learn his patterns. the game does not respect my time

                                              • DevSpacePrez
                                                Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                                                @RidiculousHat @WaltCodes @Felmendorf It may seem that way, but its not really true. You *can* do that, but you do not actually have to.

                                                • RidiculousHat
                                                  Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                                                  @DevSpacePrez @WaltCodes @Felmendorf this sounds git gud-ish man i dunno

                                                  • DevSpacePrez
                                                    Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                                                    @RidiculousHat @WaltCodes @Felmendorf *sigh* I legit don't even know what to say to that.

                                                    • RidiculousHat
                                                      Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                                                      @DevSpacePrez @WaltCodes @Felmendorf what should i have done differently? i tried pulling the boss, i tried stealth killing the guys... it wasn't fun to spend my time figuring out how to get to the part of the game i wanted to play so i stopped playing

                                                      • DevSpacePrez
                                                        Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                                                        @RidiculousHat @WaltCodes @Felmendorf Its hard to fit this all in a tweet but I'd need to know where you were in the game to answer that accurately.

                                                        • RidiculousHat
                                                          Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                                                          @DevSpacePrez @WaltCodes @Felmendorf this guide video was 5 minutes and the first few was just getting to the boss. just for a very early example https://t.co/Zq779sWgvl

                                                          • DevSpacePrez
                                                            Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                                                            @RidiculousHat @WaltCodes @Felmendorf That's an optional sub-boss, he's not even a real boss and you don't have to fight him at all, lol.

                                                            • DevSpacePrez
                                                              Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                                                              @RidiculousHat @WaltCodes @Felmendorf You can put him off and fight him later if he's too hard or you can simply never fight him at all.

                                                              • Chadd Nervigg
                                                                Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                                                                @DevSpacePrez @RidiculousHat @WaltCodes @Felmendorf I have a great idea for how to simply never fight him at all.

                                                      • Iksar
                                                        Posted 3 years, 11 months ago (Source)
                                                        @RidiculousHat @DevSpacePrez @WaltCodes @Felmendorf This is basically why I also stopped playing. I’m just not into slamming my face into waves of putty monsters so I can get back to where I was.
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