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Could Wrath of the Angiris go over terrain?

Imperius' ultimate would feel a lot better if it went over terrain, like Falling Sword; it'd make it a lot more effective at securing kills, or enable playmaking in chokes like on Dragon Shire's siege camp.

Neyman

Posted 4 years, 9 months ago (Source)

Why does the initial lunge pass through enemy gates, but once you've caught someone you can no longer pass through the gate?

From the technical side, for the initial lunge you are a missile (similar to Falstad Barrel Roll or Illidan's Hunt). This is because you are traveling a set distance/speed, and we know exactly where you are going to land when we fire the ability 99% of the time.

After you've picked someone up, you have control over where and how fast the missile moves, so we don't want to allow players to move over unpathable terrain to then have their characters suddenly warp back to an area of acceptable terrain.
Neyman

Posted 4 years, 9 months ago (Source)

The Missile redirect did not work, but how about maybe designing a new way to make it work? Though the question would be, is it worth spending resources for that.

It's not that the tech doesn't work, it does. The problem is that without really overly-designed mechanics, I don't see a way to make something like that work and be understandable.
Neyman

Posted 4 years, 9 months ago (Source)

on the other hand, why are some abilities like [[Entomb]]/[[Force wall]] are not considered terrain from many (new) heroes: such as Hanzo, junkrat, Orphea (her dash goes through them) ... etc (not the hero)

Giving something a "footprint" akin to Structures, is what is required to make these things interact with Hanzo Scatter Arrows. That has a lot of baggage associated with it that is very technical, and not ideal for a variety of reasons.

Overall Entomb and Force Wall should behave mostly like terrain, though there are a few exceptions that aren't ideal.
Neyman

Posted 4 years, 9 months ago (Source)

Falling Sword actually doesn't go over terrain either. We don't want to let these abilities go over terrain because if they tried to land there, we'd have to use the missile redirect to warp them suddenly to a new unexpected location. Visually, it would be confusing for Johanna and her enemies.

This was especially true with Wrath of the Angiris, since we position both units very precisely, so we don't allow it to move over terrain.
Neyman

Posted 4 years, 9 months ago (Source)

Actually pretty good reasons 🤔 suppose this is why y’all make the game and not us

A lot of us had the same opinion as you, but when we tried making it work, it didn't.

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    <div class="md"><p>Why does the initial lunge pass through enemy gates, but once you've caught someone you can no longer pass through the gate?</p>
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<div class="md"><p>From the technical side, for the initial lunge you are a missile (similar to Falstad Barrel Roll or Illidan's Hunt).  This is because you are traveling a set distance/speed, and we know exactly where you are going to land when we fire the ability 99% of the time.</p>

<p>After you've picked someone up, you have control over where and how fast the missile moves, so we don't want to allow players to move over unpathable terrain to then have their characters suddenly warp back to an area of acceptable terrain.</p>
</div> (<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/d2auin/could_wrath_of_the_angiris_go_over_terrain/ezuqh8i">Neyman</a>)
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    <div class="md"><p>The Missile redirect did not work, but how about maybe designing a new way to make it work? Though the question would be, is it worth spending resources for that.</p>
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</blockquote>
<div class="md"><p>It's not that the tech doesn't work, it does.  The problem is that without really overly-designed mechanics, I don't see a way to make something like that work and be understandable.</p>
</div> (<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/d2auin/could_wrath_of_the_angiris_go_over_terrain/ezu9cb4">Neyman</a>)
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    <div class="md"><p>on the other hand, why are some abilities like [[Entomb]]/[[Force wall]] are not considered terrain from many (new) heroes: such as Hanzo, junkrat, Orphea (her dash goes through them) ... etc (not the hero)</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class="md"><p>Giving something a "footprint" akin to Structures, is what is required to make these things interact with Hanzo Scatter Arrows.  That has a lot of baggage associated with it that is very technical, and not ideal for a variety of reasons.</p>

<p>Overall Entomb and Force Wall should behave <em>mostly</em> like terrain, though there are a few exceptions that aren't ideal.</p>
</div> (<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/d2auin/could_wrath_of_the_angiris_go_over_terrain/ezu9s2w">Neyman</a>)
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<div class="md"><p>Falling Sword actually doesn't go over terrain either.  We don't want to let these abilities go over terrain because if they tried to land there, we'd have to use the missile redirect to warp them suddenly to a new unexpected location.  Visually, it would be confusing for Johanna and her enemies.</p>

<p>This was especially true with Wrath of the Angiris, since we position both units very precisely, so we don't allow it to move over terrain.</p>
</div> (<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/d2auin/could_wrath_of_the_angiris_go_over_terrain/eztrx6c">Neyman</a>)
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<blockquote class="quoted">
    <div class="md"><p>Actually pretty good reasons 🤔 suppose this is why y’all make the game and not us</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class="md"><p>A lot of us had the same opinion as you, but when we tried making it work, it didn't.</p>
</div> (<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/d2auin/could_wrath_of_the_angiris_go_over_terrain/eztttot">Neyman</a>)
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<p><div class="md"><p>From the technical side, for the initial lunge you are a missile (similar to Falstad Barrel Roll or Illidan's Hunt).  This is because you are traveling a set distance/speed, and we know exactly where you are going to land when we fire the ability 99% of the time.</p>

<p><div class="md"><p>It's not that the tech doesn't work, it does.  The problem is that without really overly-designed mechanics, I don't see a way to make something like that work and be understandable.</p>
</div> (<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/d2auin/could_wrath_of_the_angiris_go_over_terrain/ezu9cb4">Source</a>)</p>

<p><div class="md"><p>Giving something a "footprint" akin to Structures, is what is required to make these things interact with Hanzo Scatter Arrows.  That has a lot of baggage associated with it that is very technical, and not ideal for a variety of reasons.</p>

<p><div class="md"><p>Falling Sword actually doesn't go over terrain either.  We don't want to let these abilities go over terrain because if they tried to land there, we'd have to use the missile redirect to warp them suddenly to a new unexpected location.  Visually, it would be confusing for Johanna and her enemies.</p>

<p><div class="md"><p>A lot of us had the same opinion as you, but when we tried making it work, it didn't.</p>
</div> (<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/d2auin/could_wrath_of_the_angiris_go_over_terrain/eztttot">Source</a>)</p>
    
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