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Undocumented Artwork changes Dragon Shire

I played PTR today and noticed some changes on Dragon Shire. Please mind my bad Paint skills :D http://imgur.com/a/2F2OY

KinaBREW

Posted 8 years, 1 month ago (Source)

We have received feedback that Dragon Shire and Garden of Terror are too alike.

But for what i can understand, Garden of Terror is the same "place/area" that Dragon Shrine, when the Lady Thorn Took control over the area, you can see the dragon statue destroy in the far center top area of garden of terror.

answered this here :) https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/50ajxo/undocumented_artwork_changes_dragon_shire/d738it9
KinaBREW

Posted 8 years, 1 month ago (Source)

So for these two since they are directly connected do you have the thought process of, looking similar enough you can tell they are related but different enough to distinguish that they take place at different eras?

When we created it was same time frame, different locations. There could be multiple dragon knights for example.
KinaBREW

Posted 8 years, 1 month ago (Source)

Actually my post was sarcastic, because the fountain doesn't look as fancy as the glass house :)

play along :P
KinaBREW

Posted 8 years, 1 month ago (Source)

I mean shouldnt GoT and DS look alike since they are literally the same map.

They're from a similar family for sure and a similar tile set. But we like to differentiate them as much as we can. This is harder with older tile sets since we would like to spend more time on newer Battlegrounds instead of redoing the approach to an older one. For example, we spent this type of time on the new StarCraft maps which are the same tile set but we were able to stretch the use of these assets to make the Battlegrounds look very different.
KinaBREW

Posted 8 years, 1 month ago (Source)

I'm sure the 3D art team appreciates it when we find the little details that they do and normally not seen by the masses

We do! We love that people dig our stuff enough to check things like this out to this level. :)
KinaBREW

Posted 8 years, 1 month ago (Source)

Let's replace this fancy glass house with a Fountain... for performance improvements of course!

Indeed! some assets actually are more taxing to render. For example: Assets with transparency requires an extra rendering pass which doubles the rendering work the video card has to do for that asset. So the gazebos that you were looking at do cost a bit more than our water fountain there (FX for the water is counted in a different portion of the rendering pipeline). This isn't to say that was the main reason that we pulled it out of this map. We have received feedback that Dragon Shire and Garden of Terror are too alike. The Gazebos seem to fit best on the Gardens map while water fountain and stone fixtures fit a little bit better with Dragon Shire. The optimizations on the older maps is mainly to reduce rendering batches. We use a different way of clumping environment assets. You will probably notice more differences across our older maps in the coming months.

/u/tscoccer93 has a pretty awesome response to this as well.

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    <div class="md"><blockquote>
<p>We have received feedback that Dragon Shire and Garden of Terror are too alike.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>But for what i can understand, Garden of Terror is the same "place/area" that Dragon Shrine, when the Lady Thorn Took control over the area, you can see the dragon statue destroy in the far center top area of garden of terror.</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class="md"><p>answered this here :) <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/50ajxo/undocumented_artwork_changes_dragon_shire/d738it9">https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/50ajxo/undocumented_artwork_changes_dragon_shire/d738it9</a></p>
</div> (<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/50ajxo/undocumented_artwork_changes_dragon_shire/d738jjs">KinaBREW</a>)
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<blockquote class="quoted">
    <div class="md"><p>So for these two since they are directly connected do you have the thought process of, looking similar enough you can tell they are related but different enough to distinguish that they take place at different eras?</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class="md"><p>When we created it was same time frame, different locations.  There could be multiple dragon knights for example.</p>
</div> (<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/50ajxo/undocumented_artwork_changes_dragon_shire/d738it9">KinaBREW</a>)
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<blockquote class="quoted">
    <div class="md"><p>Actually my post was sarcastic, because the fountain doesn't look as fancy as the glass house :)</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class="md"><p>play along :P</p>
</div> (<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/50ajxo/undocumented_artwork_changes_dragon_shire/d736ltk">KinaBREW</a>)
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<blockquote class="quoted">
    <div class="md"><p>I mean shouldnt GoT and DS look alike since they are literally the same map.</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class="md"><p>They're from a similar family for sure and a similar tile set.  But we like to differentiate them as much as we can.  This is harder with older tile sets since we would like to spend more time on newer Battlegrounds instead of redoing the approach to an older one.  For example, we spent this type of time on the new StarCraft maps which are the same tile set but we were able to stretch the use of these assets to make the Battlegrounds look very different.</p>
</div> (<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/50ajxo/undocumented_artwork_changes_dragon_shire/d72zf7r">KinaBREW</a>)
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<blockquote class="quoted">
    <div class="md"><p>I'm sure the 3D art team appreciates it when we find the little details that they do and normally not seen by the masses</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class="md"><p>We do!  We love that people dig our stuff enough to check things like this out to this level.  :)</p>
</div> (<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/50ajxo/undocumented_artwork_changes_dragon_shire/d72v03y">KinaBREW</a>)
<hr/>

<blockquote class="quoted">
    <div class="md"><p>Let's replace this fancy glass house with a Fountain... for performance improvements of course!</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class="md"><p>Indeed! some assets actually are more taxing to render.  For example:  Assets with transparency requires an extra rendering pass which doubles the rendering work the video card has to do for that asset.  So the gazebos that you were looking at do cost a bit more than our water fountain there (FX for the water is counted in a different portion of the rendering pipeline).  This isn't to say that was the main reason that we pulled it out of this map.  We have received feedback that Dragon Shire and Garden of Terror are too alike.  The Gazebos seem to fit best on the Gardens map while water fountain and stone fixtures fit a little bit better with Dragon Shire.  The optimizations on the older maps is mainly to reduce rendering batches.  We use a different way of clumping environment assets.  You will probably notice more differences across our older maps in the coming months.</p>

<p><a href="/u/tscoccer93">/u/tscoccer93</a> has a pretty awesome response to this as well.</p>
</div> (<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/50ajxo/undocumented_artwork_changes_dragon_shire/d72sr57">KinaBREW</a>)
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<p><div class="md"><p>answered this here :) <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/50ajxo/undocumented_artwork_changes_dragon_shire/d738it9">https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/50ajxo/undocumented_artwork_changes_dragon_shire/d738it9</a></p>
</div> (<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/50ajxo/undocumented_artwork_changes_dragon_shire/d738jjs">Source</a>)</p>

<p><div class="md"><p>When we created it was same time frame, different locations.  There could be multiple dragon knights for example.</p>
</div> (<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/50ajxo/undocumented_artwork_changes_dragon_shire/d738it9">Source</a>)</p>

<p><div class="md"><p>play along :P</p>
</div> (<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/50ajxo/undocumented_artwork_changes_dragon_shire/d736ltk">Source</a>)</p>

<p><div class="md"><p>They're from a similar family for sure and a similar tile set.  But we like to differentiate them as much as we can.  This is harder with older tile sets since we would like to spend more time on newer Battlegrounds instead of redoing the approach to an older one.  For example, we spent this type of time on the new StarCraft maps which are the same tile set but we were able to stretch the use of these assets to make the Battlegrounds look very different.</p>
</div> (<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/50ajxo/undocumented_artwork_changes_dragon_shire/d72zf7r">Source</a>)</p>

<p><div class="md"><p>We do!  We love that people dig our stuff enough to check things like this out to this level.  :)</p>
</div> (<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/50ajxo/undocumented_artwork_changes_dragon_shire/d72v03y">Source</a>)</p>

<p><div class="md"><p>Indeed! some assets actually are more taxing to render.  For example:  Assets with transparency requires an extra rendering pass which doubles the rendering work the video card has to do for that asset.  So the gazebos that you were looking at do cost a bit more than our water fountain there (FX for the water is counted in a different portion of the rendering pipeline).  This isn't to say that was the main reason that we pulled it out of this map.  We have received feedback that Dragon Shire and Garden of Terror are too alike.  The Gazebos seem to fit best on the Gardens map while water fountain and stone fixtures fit a little bit better with Dragon Shire.  The optimizations on the older maps is mainly to reduce rendering batches.  We use a different way of clumping environment assets.  You will probably notice more differences across our older maps in the coming months.</p>

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