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Riot's response to the PAX sexism confusion

https://twitter.com/riotgames/status/1036057521675329538

To help recruit women into gaming, we held PAX workshops for women and non-binary people. We’re proud of that and stand with Rioters at PAX. Regarding conversations about this, we need to emphasize that no matter how heated a discussion, we expect Rioters to act with respect.


  • DyQuill

    Posted 7 years, 3 months ago (Source)

    Here is my issue with the decision.

    I am extremely progressive and extremely active. I do a lot of outreach to communities heavily weighted in either direction politically. (LGBTQ, disadvantaged youth programs, veteran assistance, and occasional charity events for the disgustingly wealthy.)

    I believe that people are generally good. Deep down we all want a secure future for our friends, family and children. We want a spouse to love and to have enough time and health to enjoy it.

    It's important to remember it's ideas that we disagree with, not people. Once you ascribe a value to an entire group of people you are dehumanizing them.

    That dehumanizing process is exactly the thing that causes racism, sexism, classism and and homophobia.

    The way to fight against racism and sexism is through education and inclusion.

    There are a lot of people out there trying to make a difference in society by humanizing the political "boogeyman" they've been taught to hate.

    Riot's decision may seem minor, but in some cases it has set my progress back years.

    Just one week ago, you had a half dozen threads demanding Riot put forth policies to combat sexist treatment of women. For once, we had nearly the entire community focused on this. Even though there was a brigade from the alt-right subs, the sexist comments were consistently voted down.

    Fast forward to the last two day, those same sexist comments from the same people are up voted.

    Reddit is a microcosm of what happens in real life. For the past 6 years the alt-right has created a straw man of liberals who want to take away the rights of white males and make them second-class citizens.

    In the past, you could approach this argument as a straw man. That those are the beliefs of a minority that are at the outskirts of the movement and they have no power.

    Now, they have an immediate example of the largest convention and one of the largest gaming companies excluding them for who they are as people, not for the ideas that they hold.

    From this moment forward, I cannot reach these people and help them change their views. I cannot defend RIOT's actions because they can immediately claim I'm using the "No true Scotsman" logical fallacy.

    They can now always say "I still hate XXXX, except you're one of the good ones."

    Riot's actions today have undone years of progress trying to humanize minorities and I'm furious.

    bannik1, this is a passionate and civil comment and i really respect that.

    There's so much here to address that I would like to, but it seems like what you need is a statement from Riot as a whole. I'm personally not ready, willing, or able to speak for the entire company, and I told myself i would only get into this thread to share details of what's happening at PAX.

    At some point down the line, I'm hoping I can reply with a better answer than this, but tbh i don't know when that will be.

    Sorry for the non-answer - I just wanted you to know I read and am thinking about your words.

  • DyQuill

    Posted 7 years, 3 months ago (Source)

    Here is my issue with the decision.

    I am extremely progressive and extremely active. I do a lot of outreach to communities heavily weighted in either direction politically. (LGBTQ, disadvantaged youth programs, veteran assistance, and occasional charity events for the disgustingly wealthy.)

    I believe that people are generally good. Deep down we all want a secure future for our friends, family and children. We want a spouse to love and to have enough time and health to enjoy it.

    It's important to remember it's ideas that we disagree with, not people. Once you ascribe a value to an entire group of people you are dehumanizing them.

    That dehumanizing process is exactly the thing that causes racism, sexism, classism and and homophobia.

    The way to fight against racism and sexism is through education and inclusion.

    There are a lot of people out there trying to make a difference in society by humanizing the political "boogeyman" they've been taught to hate.

    Riot's decision may seem minor, but in some cases it has set my progress back years.

    Just one week ago, you had a half dozen threads demanding Riot put forth policies to combat sexist treatment of women. For once, we had nearly the entire community focused on this. Even though there was a brigade from the alt-right subs, the sexist comments were consistently voted down.

    Fast forward to the last two day, those same sexist comments from the same people are up voted.

    Reddit is a microcosm of what happens in real life. For the past 6 years the alt-right has created a straw man of liberals who want to take away the rights of white males and make them second-class citizens.

    In the past, you could approach this argument as a straw man. That those are the beliefs of a minority that are at the outskirts of the movement and they have no power.

    Now, they have an immediate example of the largest convention and one of the largest gaming companies excluding them for who they are as people, not for the ideas that they hold.

    From this moment forward, I cannot reach these people and help them change their views. I cannot defend RIOT's actions because they can immediately claim I'm using the "No true Scotsman" logical fallacy.

    They can now always say "I still hate XXXX, except you're one of the good ones."

    Riot's actions today have undone years of progress trying to humanize minorities and I'm furious.

    bannik1, this is a passionate and civil comment and i really respect that.

    There's so much here to address that I would like to, but it seems like what you need is a statement from Riot as a whole. I'm personally not ready, willing, or able to speak for the entire company, and I told myself i would only get into this thread to share details of what's happening at PAX.

    At some point down the line, I'm hoping I can reply with a better answer than this, but tbh i don't know when that will be.

    Sorry for the non-answer - I just wanted you to know I read and am thinking about your words.

  • DyQuill

    Posted 7 years, 3 months ago (Source)

    As anyone with a job that ever interacts with a customer, you should know that when you are interacting with the public, you are Riot. I know that. When I go out in public with a corporate logo on full display, I am acting as a representative for my company. In the eyes of the public, I am my company. PR is the job of every employee who interacts with the public in an official capacity, not just those in the PR department. And any time an employee directly associated with the company (with the logo, or official designation, etc.) communicates with the public, it is done so in an official capacity.

    Yeah, you're not wrong (and obviously every Rioter representing Riot is a very relevant concept today). Guess what im saying is that im not replying to make official statements on behalf of Riot, I'm doing it because I want you all to have the correct info, and in that sense I'm not PR.

  • DyQuill

    Posted 7 years, 3 months ago (Source)

    PR it all you want. You closed off a room from men. That's textbook discrimination. Y'all are basically saying "We agree with DZK we just don't like the language he used."

    Discrimination is wrong.

    Just here to give the facts about what's happening at PAX, not gonna tell you how to feel about it. In that spirit - I'm not on the PR team and i haven't run any of my comments by them, but I get that a red name might as well be PR, so if you want to call it that I won't argue.

  • DyQuill

    Posted 7 years, 3 months ago (Source)

    This is ridiculous though, they could have given priority to women or include a panel about the treatment of women. This isn't being provided the same benefit as a man, it's being shown exclusive content because of how you were born. Instead of equality, this is striving for imbalance, almost in a 'well you had it good, now it's our turn!' way.

    This also assumes that women are weak and need special advantages to beat men, instead of the same tools and material

    Replied to another comment above about this - content is definitely not exclusive! It is prioritized for women (if I'm understanding what you mean by priority).

  • DyQuill

    Posted 7 years, 3 months ago (Source)

    Yeah I think the circle jerk is going too far. The only issue I had with the panels was the fact that they didn't just mirror them so both groups would have access to the same content but DzK's comments were completely out of line. I don't necessarily think he should be fired but riot should look into more defined guidelines on how employees especially those in higher positions like Daniel conduct themselves on social media.

    Yo I'm at PAX and wanna clarify a bit - these were not panels at all, just time that women and non-binary Rioters had volunteered to set aside for other women and non-binary people to talk casually with them about their personal experience in the games industry and offer advice/feedback.

    Many of those Rioters were also present for "Ask a Rito" time later in the day (and will be tomorrow btw, if you're here in Seattle come say hi). It's not broken up into topics like Art and Production the way it is in the earlier hours of the day, but the same Rioters are available to talk about all the same things.

    Besides those Rioters, there's a small army of Rioters hanging out by the cosplay repair station next door, and we would love to chat with you about anything and everything Riot, League, and video games.

  • DyQuill

    Posted 7 years, 3 months ago (Source)

    Here is my issue with the decision.

    I am extremely progressive and extremely active. I do a lot of outreach to communities heavily weighted in either direction politically. (LGBTQ, disadvantaged youth programs, veteran assistance, and occasional charity events for the disgustingly wealthy.)

    I believe that people are generally good. Deep down we all want a secure future for our friends, family and children. We want a spouse to love and to have enough time and health to enjoy it.

    It's important to remember it's ideas that we disagree with, not people. Once you ascribe a value to an entire group of people you are dehumanizing them.

    That dehumanizing process is exactly the thing that causes racism, sexism, classism and and homophobia.

    The way to fight against racism and sexism is through education and inclusion.

    There are a lot of people out there trying to make a difference in society by humanizing the political "boogeyman" they've been taught to hate.

    Riot's decision may seem minor, but in some cases it has set my progress back years.

    Just one week ago, you had a half dozen threads demanding Riot put forth policies to combat sexist treatment of women. For once, we had nearly the entire community focused on this. Even though there was a brigade from the alt-right subs, the sexist comments were consistently voted down.

    Fast forward to the last two day, those same sexist comments from the same people are up voted.

    Reddit is a microcosm of what happens in real life. For the past 6 years the alt-right has created a straw man of liberals who want to take away the rights of white males and make them second-class citizens.

    In the past, you could approach this argument as a straw man. That those are the beliefs of a minority that are at the outskirts of the movement and they have no power.

    Now, they have an immediate example of the largest convention and one of the largest gaming companies excluding them for who they are as people, not for the ideas that they hold.

    From this moment forward, I cannot reach these people and help them change their views. I cannot defend RIOT's actions because they can immediately claim I'm using the "No true Scotsman" logical fallacy.

    They can now always say "I still hate XXXX, except you're one of the good ones."

    Riot's actions today have undone years of progress trying to humanize minorities and I'm furious.

    bannik1, this is a passionate and civil comment and i really respect that.

    There's so much here to address that I would like to, but it seems like what you need is a statement from Riot as a whole. I'm personally not ready, willing, or able to speak for the entire company, and I told myself i would only get into this thread to share details of what's happening at PAX.

    At some point down the line, I'm hoping I can reply with a better answer than this, but tbh i don't know when that will be.

    Sorry for the non-answer - I just wanted you to know I read and am thinking about your words.




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