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Feedback | Posted by | 6 years, 8 months ago

Deck sharing is nice, hyperbole isn't

I feel personally attacked friend, considering you downvoted all of my decks. Even accused me before of falsely advertising my decks, when I didn't list any winrates or even say the deck was powerful. 

You know what other type of people were annoying on Hearthpwn? Hypocrites.

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  • Quote From tony

    This site asks users to pay money or donate or whatever. In exchange, it should try to to eliminate the type of unreliable claims its deck sharers put in their posts. This isn't Hearthpwn. Make it not Hearthpwn. Make it worthy of donations by assuring the end user a certain level of credibility.

    Here's the deal.

    We're a community deck sharing website at the core. If you don't like that, I encourage you to use a site like HSReplay that uses pooled stats or to check out news articles that come out from us which highlight decks that are either fun or have proven records. You aren't the person the deck database is for and won't be unless we're able to collect enough of our own statistically significant data to have sortable winrates.

    I don't want to enforce any sort of rules yet on what people can and cannot share at this time. People should be intelligent enough to figure out that decks can't actually have a 100% winrate, just like they should also know that a "Legend" deck doesn't actually mean anything at the end of the day since you can't actually drop out of Legend. Plus, getting super strict about stuff just makes us the bad guy. I'd rather have a bunch of chill people on the site than elitist pricks - the entire Hearthstone game is fueled on a casual audience =).

    Also, we're already not HearthPwn.

    • We're not a sinking ship;
    • We're not run by people that ignore ad problems (no ads atm btw);
    • We're not run by tyrannical morons who will do anything to push ads ads ads;
    • We have one of the strongest staff teams that I'm crazy proud to be a part of (competency is amazing);
    • We actually have plans in place to build tools the community has desired for a long time.
    • We've got the support of the community because people actually know who we are.

    Sure, we may lack a few features people would like, but those only take some time to build and yet we're on a path they are without a doubt jealous of.

    Also, yeah, people should consider a monthly contribution on Patreon. Every dollar helps pay the server bills without resorting to ads and we're constantly making the site a better place to hang out on.

  • I feel personally attacked friend, considering you downvoted all of my decks. Even accused me before of falsely advertising my decks, when I didn't list any winrates or even say the deck was powerful. 

    You know what other type of people were annoying on Hearthpwn? Hypocrites.

    • Quote From tony
      Quote From ColinthePyro

      I feel personally attacked friend, considering you downvoted all of my decks. Even accused me before of falsely advertising my decks, when I didn't list any winrates or even say the deck was powerful. 

      You know what other type of people were annoying on Hearthpwn? Hypocrites.

      I'm not your friend, I didn't downvote your stuff, and I do believe you thought you had an awesome deck with 10 matches played. I'm not attacking you. I think you are generous in sharing your decks and don't make these silly "80% win rate" decks that are getting uploaded on here. You're responsible and your budget deck ideas are especially awesome and helpful. I have nothing against you. Why do you think I downvoted all your stuff? I have not! I did not accuse you of falsely advertising anything. I said I was tired of hype.

      I do think you like picking on me recently. Why are you even interested in anything I have to say. I'm a total nobody. I really think, if you care that much about my opinion, that you should just keep on going with your deck sharing. You are not one of the "bad ones."

      Have you seen the headlines with "80% win rate?" That's the shit I'm irritated with. It's harmful.

      Still not getting why you think I downvoted your stuff. I actually upvoted a lot of your decks in the budget area because you have some great ideas. You do not falsely advertise and I never said you did. I said I don't like hype

      Interesting. All of my decks get downvotes minutes after you angrily respond to one of my comments, and then just a few minutes ago all of those downvotes are reversed? 

    • Quote From tony
      Quote From ColinthePyro

      I feel personally attacked friend, considering you downvoted all of my decks. Even accused me before of falsely advertising my decks, when I didn't list any winrates or even say the deck was powerful. 

      You know what other type of people were annoying on Hearthpwn? Hypocrites.

      I didn't downvote your stuff

      Why would you lie?

      I'm looking at a terminal output right now with all your voting data. You've downvoted 14 things on the site, 9 being decks Colin wrote guides on. 

      That is shit we don't want to continue here and you bet is going to be actively policed. Vote harassment is beyond stupid and is the real plague of community sites.

      And just so we're clear, you're not the only one who has done this. I've removed close to 600 negative votes over the past couple of days with one of the biggest offenders hitting 142 decks.

  • I dunno, man.  I mean, I get what you're saying--I'm a little disappointed in that I haven't really found any "cool" decks on this site too--but it sounds like your post reads like a call to the outof.cards staff to police what decks show up and/or how they are described.  I think all these sites are essentially crowd-sourcing the review process, and I think they are depending on that as part of their business model.  (Otherwise you're looking at something like a Hsreplay model, where all the "good stuff" is pay-walled off so that they can generate an additional revenue stream beyond donations and advertisement.)  That would imply its really up to us community members to be a little more disciplined, resisting the urge to give additional weight to decks from charismatic streamers or click-baity titles and instead evaluate them on their merit.

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      I dunno, man.  I mean, I get what you're saying--I'm a little disappointed in that I haven't really found any "cool" decks on this site too--but it sounds like your post reads like a call to the outof.cards staff to police what decks show up and/or how they are described.  I think all these sites are essentially crowd-sourcing the review process, and I think they are depending on that as part of their business model.  (Otherwise you're looking at something like a Hsreplay model, where all the "good stuff" is pay-walled off so that they can generate an additional revenue stream beyond donations and advertisement.)  That would imply its really up to us community members to be a little more disciplined, resisting the urge to give additional weight to decks from charismatic streamers or click-baity titles and instead evaluate them on their merit.

      I'm not asking for a total police job. But this site would be so totally different from Hearthpwn without deck headlines like "80% winrate" then you click on it and see the person won 80% of matches out of 10 or 20 matches. 

      The community doesn't need to be disciplined. The community is the consumer. The content provider needs to be disciplined first. The consumer consumes the content.

      I have found lots of cool decks on this site. Lots. I don't think you get what I'm saying. There are lots of awesome decks shared on here. And they are responsibly shared. There are also a lot crap posts with "80% winrate" as the headline and the deck isn't much to talk about.

      I'd like there to be more awesome and less blah.

      Are you feeling me now? It's not all bad. Could be better and different.

      Just flipped through the first 3 pages of decks, none of them list a winrate in the title. 

  • All my decks have a 40000% win rate. I go from rank 20 to #1 legend in 1 game.

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    Quote From ColinthePyro

    I feel personally attacked friend, considering you downvoted all of my decks. Even accused me before of falsely advertising my decks, when I didn't list any winrates or even say the deck was powerful. 

    You know what other type of people were annoying on Hearthpwn? Hypocrites.

    I didn't downvote your stuff

    Why would you lie?

    I'm looking at a terminal output right now with all your voting data. You've downvoted 14 things on the site, 9 being decks Colin wrote guides on. 

    That is shit we don't want to continue here and you bet is going to be actively policed. Vote harassment is beyond stupid and is the real plague of community sites.

    And just so we're clear, you're not the only one who has done this. I've removed close to 600 negative votes over the past couple of days with one of the biggest offenders hitting 142 decks.

    I'm not lying. I did not have a personal vendetta against anyone and I did not personally downvote anything. Why would I lie? Good question. Because I wouldn't. I think it's your job to figure it out on your end.

    So hold on a second. Are you telling me the database was lying? I better put a bug report in so I can check that out /s

    I hate calling people out on it but if you're going to make public statements that are factually incorrect, I don't really have a choice. Don't do it again and we're cool.

  • I'm going to lock the thread now since tony has started deleting his posts.

    Let this be a lesson, don't lie about facts.

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