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Talking About How To Run Bad Decks So They Aren't Bad

If you guys havent noticed I have a bit of a knack for solving bad archetypes

and while it's true that sometimes leaning one direction or another can make a brew more volatile

it can also generally improve its rate of climbing

is it better to run age of dragons as a one off board clear meme?

probably not

is it better but more risky to run dragons in your age of dragons deck?

yes

but we can solve for that with frostebites, heals, clears, stuns, challenges etc.

simiilarly with ambush

is ambush a bad archetype?

absolutely!

can we solve the number and draw issues by spamming lucky finds and strikes?

we sure can!

what about pros 32%

no problem I can make poro king playable easy, just by removing the 1 drop spam when it literally gets beat out by every 1 other 1 drop spam deck

instead focusing on braum and that midrange value proposition

in each and every case we take the deck and yes we make it more "volatile"

susceptible to hard counters which is bad in a tournament setting

but in a ladder winrate setting every deck is grossly improved

like it's not even a competition

and if that pisses you off I really dont give a fuck

because it's true

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  • If you guys havent noticed I have a bit of a knack for solving bad archetypes

    and while it's true that sometimes leaning one direction or another can make a brew more volatile

    it can also generally improve its rate of climbing

    is it better to run age of dragons as a one off board clear meme?

    probably not

    is it better but more risky to run dragons in your age of dragons deck?

    yes

    but we can solve for that with frostebites, heals, clears, stuns, challenges etc.

    simiilarly with ambush

    is ambush a bad archetype?

    absolutely!

    can we solve the number and draw issues by spamming lucky finds and strikes?

    we sure can!

    what about pros 32%

    no problem I can make poro king playable easy, just by removing the 1 drop spam when it literally gets beat out by every 1 other 1 drop spam deck

    instead focusing on braum and that midrange value proposition

    in each and every case we take the deck and yes we make it more "volatile"

    susceptible to hard counters which is bad in a tournament setting

    but in a ladder winrate setting every deck is grossly improved

    like it's not even a competition

    and if that pisses you off I really dont give a fuck

    because it's true

  • Now should you run say 1 temo 30 burst spells and hard run his mushroom card?

    no

    theres literalyl a million fucking pings in eternal

    half of eternal is pings

    you not only made your deck more volatile you literalyl made it just plain worse

    like you would have to try hard to build a worse temo deck than to go all in on turn 1 temo

    that's fucking terrible

    heard of pokey it can kill 3 temos on curve what then?

    have fun

    and if that's not good enough hows 1 mana flock 4 u?

    so yeah volatile to a point, volatile to a point that is good

    not wow I fucked myself into 90% of meta matchups

    k?

  • Dude I will happily throw 20 games into your memes if it makes you feel better

    You think plowing through the first few turns gives your deck legs?

    Climb with it

    Win with it

    Thrive with it

    I dont.give a shit what you do to me

    Because I don't matter

    Stats matter you slum lord

  • Holly shit dude that deck was so lit

    You should totally climb with that

    Trundle bruam into burried in ice

    Losing to transform

    Yeah good shit!

    Love it I want it 

    Send me the list!

    Fucking garbage dealer rofl

    Lose again

  • Memes memes memes

    And you dont want someone to 2 mana disintegrate you?

    Not like that isn't in a million meta lists

    Oh wait....

    Youre a dumb mother fucker aren't you?

  • Like obviously I can't play around stupid in casual que

    Like if it's just dumb fucking dumbness across the board I'll just quit out all you're doing is wasting your own time

    On eternal ladder brews have to win so there's a general assumption your have to play I to established decks

    You have to beat lurk

    You have to deal with ping spam

    You have to play decks that can win into goooooood decks

    Saying hahahhaa I can play random pieces of shit for 1 game then play a random piece of shit the next game

    It's like yeah you can

    But whyyyyyyyyyyyy?

    Take all that time and energy and build 1 good deck and hit diamond with it

    Then do it again and again

    Then hit masters

    Ans do it again

    Then we can actually review your garbage like it matters

  • Oh no did you just give me a free age of dragons and literally get your own Zoe killed.

    That seems really bad

    Like fucking awful

    And did I draw 4 free dragons

    That seems really good

    Like really good

    And yours was fucking awful

    Funny how that works?

    Shit maybe I should start running your meme for you?

  • Wow yassao instantly dead to dragon ramp?

    Isn't that supposed to be a bad matchup or something?

    Maybe build better next time x lax

  • CIDACAYBBIAQIAIOAEDQSCICAEAQYKQCAYASIKIGAMEQMFJWIBLWIAABAEAQCFA

    here ya go I even added targon peak for maximum meme

    who cares about good deck building

    all big dragons gooooooo

  • Yeah we can run more frostbites for spellshield xolati high roll

    doesn't really fucking matter I was playing with my food

    just to see how the list is doing

    pretty good

    like obviously most decks right now don't really dooooo anything

    xolati for example

    the entire deck is just high roll 1 card

    and it's like answer yes no

    and that's cool and all

    but let's talk about actual decks and this dragon list is doing well

    especially once siren song and all that junk gets nerfed

  • CIDACAYBBIAQIAIOAEDQSCICAEAQYKQCAYASIKIGAMEQMFJWIBLWIAABAEAQCFA

    I still think it's this it's very good and obviously spell shield exodia plays exist

    they are literally format warping

    I won't pretend they aren't good

    but lets assume exodia gets nerfed at some point

    so it isn't just siren song decks that A either go small or B go big

    let's assume that decks will be good again

    with that out of the way this list is strong

  • Okay so apparently all of Reddit us begging for a siren song nerf

    Cuz they are tired of 32/32 xolaties or 1 drop aggro

    So the card is literally the face of the biggest creature in LOR and the most agressice creatures

    So literally everyone in the community is like hotfix when Riot

    I've begging for this since day 1 and it hasn't happened

    I'm not sure it will ever happen

    It will essentially force and entire reshuffling of the standard format

    And pro players don't like that they like their busted shit

    As long as it's the simple busted shit they understand and not the busted shit they don't

    So probably no hotfix for a month

    So yes more spellshield xoalati that literally defunct every champion and deck archetype

    Thats fun right?

    Reddit u guys having fun

    Well Majin is having fun

    So thats 1 person vs everyone I guess

  • Why would you ever do something so stupid as trying ramp in a card game eith big creatures when the biggest creature in the game is a 32/32 with overwhelm and spell shield at 7 mana

    Like fick riot did you not Playtest and realize that even though siren song is supposed to buff 1 mana stuff

    It for some reason turbo buffs a massive 7 mana overwhelm creature?

    Is that working as intended?

    10/10 10 mana asol garbage

    12 mana dragon spam card garbage

    7 mana 32/32 real shit

    Thanks Riot

    I blame Majin as well old LOR wouldn't swing this shit before standard happened

    Okay you know what Riot don't even nerf Siren song okay the cards fine

    Just kill the interaction between siren song and xolatie

    Just hot fix that and nothing else I'm begging you it's literally a "bug" 

  • Like all I want is for the siren song deck to buff Evelyn you know Evelyn the champion thats fine and her kit

    But don't buff some random fucking targon overwhelm creature

    How's that Evelyn?

  • Stop trying my deck is best

    Youre embarrassing yourselves and once xolatie gets nerfed my eternal climb in 3 months will be complete

    As the eternal king

  • Yeah I see you guys gave up on the ramp competition and just decided mine was best

    But yeah crumble rally ooooh

    Definately run that 1 health Lucian into pie toss

    It'll be a blast!

  • You guys are back to running garbage again

    So dissapointed

    Unplayable on eternal ladder

    And worth a wet fart in the grand scheme of things 

  • Hahahahahahahahha

    0 aggro protection

    In a deck you want to play on ladder?

    Good fucking luck

    Gg No re

    Youre a waste of space and you instantly died like one

    Hahahaha

    Youre literally sitting there thinking why am I playing this terrible deck

    Youre right!

    You are.right :)

    Like I said I can go 20 games down don't care

    It's casual que

    You dont have ladder pressure

    You can do whatever you want :)

    If you can hit masters in eternal with memes then do it

    Stiiiiiil don't care

    Here I'll throw this one too

    Till you get it

    Here open swing no blocks

    I wont.block anything

    Open passes I won't play anything

    How good you feeling.in your solitaire?

    Having fun doing nothing?

    Just watching

    Go nuts what a cool deck!

    Wow a rally took sooooo good

    Can I play your deck!?

    It looks sooooo good

  • You see at the end of the day there is 1 metric for sucess for a bad deck

    Can it beat meta

    Can it climb

    If you want to fuck around with me till we Jack off in each other's hair be my guest

    But I dont really have patience for your homo erotic fantasies

    Build a deck and climb with it

    Win with it

    Make it relavent

    Otherwise fuck off

  • And you know you can't

    You know you can't mono jarvan tutor into any deck with bounces or vengence

    Not even ryze and ryze is terrible

    You know this

    And yet you insist on wasting my time and energy when your deck can't even beat the worst meta deck

    Sure you can beat me with a one off cuz I have no idea what the fuck you're doing and bullshit baffles brains

    But on ladder you don't stand a hope in hell

    But I will actually climb to diamond with dragon ramp, because I've done it before

    If I have to switch to something more competitive to masters then whatever I'll do it

    But at least I'll know my brew won 50 games

    Not 50 brews that won one game

    Thats the difference between quality and total shit

  • CIDACBQGDYAQMAZJAIAQGAQMAIBAGAYEAMDQGBYIBYCAEBQWEYWTUAABAEAQGNY

    Like no bullshit this aggro list without a hint of exaggeration is a masters list from last season

    There is no pretending and no bullshit

    CICQCAQGAUAQKAAMAEDQABICAQAAGCAIAYDAMBYLB4IBYHRDAAAQCAIADI

    This was a diamond list from 4 seasons ago

    CICQEAYJC5LQEBABBQHAEBQBEQUQGAIBBQVDEBADAEBQMCQWAAAQCAIBGQ

    This was a diamond list from 3 seasons ago

    Every single deck had its time in the sun and it performed well 100% off meta in a relavent and timely ladder environment

    Game after game after game

    And youre playing 1 off bullshit into my decks and you think you have a big dick

    Give me a fucking break

  • Hahahahahahaha

    Oh no random bullshit lost?

    That was your one chance too

    You dont get to ever run that deck again

    Quick delete delete

    Eject eject

    Better craft your next random bullshit deck fast

    Where did it go?

    What will it be

    It's a one off then gone

    Like a fart in the wind

  • Stiiiiiil don't care

    The lack of caring is just so far out there

    It's just unbelievable the lack of caring

    We can slug it out all day in casual que

    And I can throw 500 games

    I can throw 1000 games

    I can throw 10 million games

    And still hit masters just as easily in 3 months

    Just like I always do in eternal every season

    Still don't care guys

    Have all the wins on the house

    Casual que party games

    All on me

    You can still suck my medals yum yum

  • Like if you asked Michael Jordan to play basketball with a bunch of school children

    Would he be mad when the kids win

    Nah he ain't even trying

    No stakes who cares

  • Yeah so once you were done being a filthy try hard did I just go right back to dominating with my poro brew?

    I wonder why that was?

    Cuz you can "try hard" with anything

    "Try" your little heart out

    "Try" the best you can

    But at the end of the day your 32% poro deck

    Will still be a 32% poro deck

    Cuz ladder doesn't care how hard you "try"

    It's just math

    Sorry

    So try hard into me 500 times a day

    But math ain't gonna change 

  • Yeah that frostbite deck was pretty bad too

    Despite how hard you were trying

    Wtf was that vanilla 4/5 play into open swing

    Youre like plz plz plz let me win one more game

    And I'm like I don't give a fuck my deck speaks for itself cuz math

    Wonder who's right?

    Probably the math

  • Cool anivia deck bro you could have really done a lot with her

    But then you try harded with ladros otk

    Like which one is it?

    Pick a lane and stop sucking dick

    And trying so hard rofl 🤣 

  • Why are you trying so hard into poros?

    Jesus you guys are so fucking funny

    Like what does it gain?

    What does it do?

    Why bother?

    It's poros

    Like you could be taking a bad deck and making it better

    Like 32% poros

    But youre so prideful you're like nah

    Can't do that

    Gotta try harder

    Try try try

    😁😁😁😁😁🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • Don't be sad Viktor Braum I'd here!!!

    God you were playing that shit fast

    You were pissed

    But build a better deck to put that energy into

    And stop trying so hard

  • Like do you see me going in for gymiks

    Oh no better fucking otk and get wincon off as fast as fucking possible?

    Gotta fuck this guy right in thr pussy?

    Nah I literally don't give a shit

    Let the deck do the work

    See how it goes

    Rinse and repeat

    No Gimmicks here

  • You didn't even have confidence in that one you knew it was shit

    Take your time breathe

    I can poros into every deck you have all day long

    You know my list no frills no Gimmicks

    It will lose when it loses

    Win when it wins

    Tide comes in tide comes out

    Still won't stop it from being the best poro king deck and that's fine with me :)

    New set new expansion good fun

  • Mmmhmm yep

    Deck just doing the work

    God's work

    Just wracking in those percentages

    And I'm on auto pilot here

    Zzzzzzz

  • Replace me with an ai

    And this deck still works

  • Come on you can't ai with scissors

    Thats only for try hard and you still lost

  • Hahahaha 

    Just gonna casually grab the number 2 orn deck

    Stretch no big deal

    Just cuz I fucning mother ficning hate that poro deck!!!!!!

    Gasp cough I'm okay I'm okay

    Hahahahahaha

    Outing yourself a little

  • Gotta assassinate that poro deck eh?

    Hahahahahaha

    Plz stop its over

    Your guys are sooooo transparent

    You did your Viktor into poros game

    It was a 50/50 my deck was better than yours

    Let's leave it at that okay

    Steam and steam and cook those steamed hams

    It doesnt matter

    It literally doesn't matter

    It's over

    It's the good poros deck

    From 32% garbage to 50% garbage

    Hurray