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does united stand negates spells?

Submitted 4 years, 10 months ago by

if i use united standBADCARDNAME  if  one of my units would be recalled or damaged does the spell still resolves because it still on field or flizzes ? i dont have it to test it XD.

  • greenhatjynx78's Avatar
    Birthday Pikachu 405 172 Posts Joined 01/26/2020
    Posted 4 years, 10 months ago

    if i use united standBADCARDNAME  if  one of my units would be recalled or damaged does the spell still resolves because it still on field or flizzes ? i dont have it to test it XD.

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  • KANSAS's Avatar
    Old God Fanatic 1745 2912 Posts Joined 03/25/2019
    Posted 4 years, 10 months ago

    The spell will resolve and target the minion you swapped.

    Carrion, my wayward grub.

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  • OldManSanns's Avatar
    Azir 1040 924 Posts Joined 08/05/2019
    Posted 4 years, 10 months ago

    In general: for spells and effects that do multiple things, the game tends to err on the side of doing what it can and NOT fizzling--e.g., if I play an Augmented Experimenter to deal 3, discard, and draw, but then my opponent interrupts with a Glimpse Beyond on the damage target, I still discard and draw. 

    The exceptions I know about are Vile Feast (no healing or spiderling if target dies first) and Glimpse Beyond (no cards if target dies first), and I think that's because the concept is that the target is specifically fueling the other results.

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  • BlueSpark's Avatar
    180 193 Posts Joined 01/27/2020
    Posted 4 years, 10 months ago

    I just created a thread on Shadowshift dealing with pretty much the same question. It's surprising to me that a targeted spell would still hit the swapped unit for Stand United, but not for Shadowshift. I think it's inconsistent, and I prefer Stand United in this regard as the units simply 'trade places,' which means the spell that was cast still has a valid target to hit.

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  • Bystekhilcar's Avatar
    270 335 Posts Joined 09/02/2019
    Posted 4 years, 10 months ago
    Quote From OldManSanns

    In general: for spells and effects that do multiple things, the game tends to err on the side of doing what it can and NOT fizzling--e.g., if I play an Augmented Experimenter to deal 3, discard, and draw, but then my opponent interrupts with a Glimpse Beyond on the damage target, I still discard and draw. 

    The exceptions I know about are Vile Feast (no healing or spiderling if target dies first) and Glimpse Beyond (no cards if target dies first), and I think that's because the concept is that the target is specifically fueling the other results.

    In the SI cards' cases, it's because of the word 'to' in the text. You have to do the former to trigger the latter.

    I see you when you're sleeping; I'm gone before you wake

    I'm not as good as turn 4 Barnes; But I'm at least a Twilight Drake

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  • greenhatjynx78's Avatar
    Birthday Pikachu 405 172 Posts Joined 01/26/2020
    Posted 4 years, 10 months ago

    thanks guys, it would be cool if it negates but atleast now i know not to use it against recall it will be good against challangers trough.

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  • BlueSpark's Avatar
    180 193 Posts Joined 01/27/2020
    Posted 4 years, 10 months ago
    Quote From Bystekhilcar
    In the SI cards' cases, it's because of the word 'to' in the text. You have to do the former to trigger the latter.

    Good catch. I think it's kind of similar to cards like Get Excited! in this way, which says "To play, discard 1 card." It's not quite the same, obviously (For Get Excited!, discarding is the prerequisite to being able to play it in the first place), but I agree that the word "to" seems to be a key term here.

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  • Bystekhilcar's Avatar
    270 335 Posts Joined 09/02/2019
    Posted 4 years, 10 months ago
    Quote From greenhatjynx78

    thanks guys, it would be cool if it negates but atleast now i know not to use it against recall it will be good against challangers trough.

    Tbh it's not a great card at the moment. The meta trends towards buffs over big units; six mana for two Barriers feels steep in Constructed outside of specific Fiora setups or something. I find myself comparing it very unfavourably to Back To Back

    I see you when you're sleeping; I'm gone before you wake

    I'm not as good as turn 4 Barnes; But I'm at least a Twilight Drake

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  • Chillum's Avatar
    70 7 Posts Joined 02/09/2020
    Posted 4 years, 10 months ago
    Well SU does enable an OTK, where as shadowshift has the added caveat of dodging spells.I forget the name of the card, but the 1/2 that gains 2/0 with barriers, if shen and her attack, shen's unblocked but shes blocked, SU to give her a clear lane of attack.
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