I'm with ya on this. The way they've designed quests for Stormwind feels like the Barrens Caravan cards - doomed to fail simply because of what they are. On top of that, even, the quests are hard to complete and the payoffs are small or irrelevant.
I'm hoping that my opinions are wrong, but at the moment it's very surprising that they're shipping these quests as figureheads for the expansion. It's surprising that most of them made it through development.
Pre-purchase boycott una tantum is understandable, and arguably effective.
Full-blown boycott is honestly superficial and silly.
One is definitely entitled to whatever choice ofc, but one thing is keeping the limelight on important matters, including through some financial means, another is going for a crusade against something one liked till like two days ago.
You need to answer that question for yourself. If you are that appalled by the issue then go for it. Personally I will not boycott HS even though I strongly reject the alleged behavior and culture at Blizzard. I believe there are a lot of good people at Blizzard after all, public and legal pressure will weed out the bad guys I suppose. So hopefully this will be a cathartic moment for them.
I mean, realistically speaking, you're not gonna support the employees by sinking the game and having them laid off.
I don't really think it's necessary for the average player to just straight up uninstall everything and never touch Blizzard games again. At the end of the day, how long would you keep it up? When will you know that things have changed for the better?
If you don't feel like paying for the game anymore that's fine, but I don't think just quitting the game entirely is going to change anything. Blizzard is getting hit hard by this and I doubt they can just sit this one out so things will change (for better or worse). In the meantime, we can basically just do whatever and see how it goes.
At the end of the day people should stick to their own set of ethics and not try to coerce others into following them (lest they turn out to be hypocrites).
I certainly hope my question didn't read as an attempt at coercion. I'm just trying to start a conversation that I was surprised wasn't already happening on this forum.
This is a question I've been grappling with, and haven't really resolved yet. Particularly with a new expansion coming up, this seems like a moment where the fans can really make an impact and help support the cause of a just and equitable workplace for Blizzard employees.
Please, calm down. Even if things look very ugly, we are not sure yet if they are guilty or not.
Haha, I'm perfectly calm. It's just something that's been on my mind, I was generally surprised that this discussion didn't seem to be happening already. It's fairly common for bad behavior from corporations to be met with boycotts, but perhaps it's fair to say that the legal ramifications of this will dwarf anything a boycott could do.
You're right that nothing has been proven in a court of law, but the stories surfacing from former Blizzard employees about this stuff has convinced me regardless of what the court says. (That certainly means I'm unfit to be a juror, but I don't live in CA, so that's entirely moot.)
I don't necessarily disagree with this sentiment but, if you're going to be consistent and boycott every company's product due to bad behavior within the company itself, then you're going to be living an Amish-style life pretty quickly.
This is a question I've been grappling with, and haven't really resolved yet. Particularly with a new expansion coming up, this seems like a moment where the fans can really make an impact and help support the cause of a just and equitable workplace for Blizzard employees.
Please, calm down. Even if things look very ugly, we are not sure yet if they are guilty or not.
I mean, realistically speaking, you're not gonna support the employees by sinking the game and having them laid off.
I don't really think it's necessary for the average player to just straight up uninstall everything and never touch Blizzard games again. At the end of the day, how long would you keep it up? When will you know that things have changed for the better?
If you don't feel like paying for the game anymore that's fine, but I don't think just quitting the game entirely is going to change anything. Blizzard is getting hit hard by this and I doubt they can just sit this one out so things will change (for better or worse). In the meantime, we can basically just do whatever and see how it goes.
At the end of the day people should stick to their own set of ethics and not try to coerce others into following them (lest they turn out to be hypocrites).
Kibler stated on his stream today that the theorycrafting streams are going to happen tomorrow. So we'll likely see the cards tomorrow as Blizzard nobly throws HS content creators under the bus.
I know most people on here don't need this reminder, but please don't harass the streamers tomorrow. None of what is happening should fall on their shoulders.
If this is actually part of coordinated work-stoppages or slow downs on the part of the employees, then the best thing to do is to direct your ire at the upper management that's created such an insane culture. The issues outlined in the complaint require immediate internal actions well before a lawsuit like this is resolved. The entire reason HR evolved from running payroll and administering benefits into a department that could effectively address workplace abuse and harassment is because companies were paying out huge suits throughout the 90s. A behemoth like Activision-Blizzard crippling HR like this, leading to decades of gross behavior*, means they not only should be sued like any other corporate giant, but that some heads need to roll, and new leadership brought in at a high level. That means board and shareholder involvement, and they're only going to take notice if huge public deadlines are missed. I'm not saying that's what's happening here - I have 0 inside information - but if the Hearthstone team really is intentionally scuttling the release, then they should be supported by the community, not condemned. If your para-social relationship with the game and its developers is strong enough to care what they think, then you should care how they're treated, and how they think the company, at the highest levels, needs to respond.
*For those that want to argue about what's been proven or not, please read up on what a grand jury is, read the complaint in-full, and reflect on the sheer amount of evidence the State of California already has in their possession before a civil complaint like this is filed.
What if there's never a trial because they settle? What if they get away with it because of a technicality (Bill Cosby)? What if you see someone punching someone else in the face? Do you wait for the trial to decide what to do?
By the way the investigation is complete. That's why they sued: https://www.dfeh.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2021/07/BlizzardPR.7.21.21.pdf
How would not playing the expansion (it is already pre-purchased) "help support the cause of a just and equitable workplace for Blizzard employees" ?
I certainly can't speak for everyone, but I haven't yet pre-purchased the expansion (I typically wait until the final card drop before deciding whether buying is worth it). Obviously if you already have, the impact is financially negligible. But there can be PR impacts from public boycotts that extend beyond financial impacts.
Blizzard Has Removed the United in Stormwind Final Live Stream From the Official Hearthstone Site
You don't know the meme, do you?
New Demon Hunter Card Revealed for United in Stormwind by Thijs - Final Showdown
I'm with ya on this. The way they've designed quests for Stormwind feels like the Barrens Caravan cards - doomed to fail simply because of what they are. On top of that, even, the quests are hard to complete and the payoffs are small or irrelevant.
I'm hoping that my opinions are wrong, but at the moment it's very surprising that they're shipping these quests as figureheads for the expansion. It's surprising that most of them made it through development.
Should Blizzard fans boycott Hearthstone?
Pre-purchase boycott una tantum is understandable, and arguably effective.
Full-blown boycott is honestly superficial and silly.
One is definitely entitled to whatever choice ofc, but one thing is keeping the limelight on important matters, including through some financial means, another is going for a crusade against something one liked till like two days ago.
imo
Blizzard Has Removed the United in Stormwind Final Live Stream From the Official Hearthstone Site
The trial is not over.
First, I stop them if I see that I'm physically able to, otherwise I call the Police. Then it would be nice listen to both of them.
And what actions have you personally taken against discrimination in Blizzard?
By the way, it's also quite amusing to see how centrist comments here first get likes, but then leftists come and dislike them to the ground.
New Card Revealed for United in Stormwind by Automaton Media - Garrote
Developer 1:"We need to create a new aggro card. Are we going to make it stronger or dumber?"
Developer 2:"Yes"
Should Blizzard fans boycott Hearthstone?
You need to answer that question for yourself. If you are that appalled by the issue then go for it. Personally I will not boycott HS even though I strongly reject the alleged behavior and culture at Blizzard. I believe there are a lot of good people at Blizzard after all, public and legal pressure will weed out the bad guys I suppose. So hopefully this will be a cathartic moment for them.
Should Blizzard fans boycott Hearthstone?
I certainly hope my question didn't read as an attempt at coercion. I'm just trying to start a conversation that I was surprised wasn't already happening on this forum.
Should Blizzard fans boycott Hearthstone?
Haha, I'm perfectly calm. It's just something that's been on my mind, I was generally surprised that this discussion didn't seem to be happening already. It's fairly common for bad behavior from corporations to be met with boycotts, but perhaps it's fair to say that the legal ramifications of this will dwarf anything a boycott could do.
You're right that nothing has been proven in a court of law, but the stories surfacing from former Blizzard employees about this stuff has convinced me regardless of what the court says. (That certainly means I'm unfit to be a juror, but I don't live in CA, so that's entirely moot.)
Blizzard Has Removed the United in Stormwind Final Live Stream From the Official Hearthstone Site
I don't necessarily disagree with this sentiment but, if you're going to be consistent and boycott every company's product due to bad behavior within the company itself, then you're going to be living an Amish-style life pretty quickly.
Should Blizzard fans boycott Hearthstone?
Please, calm down. Even if things look very ugly, we are not sure yet if they are guilty or not.
Blizzard Has Removed the United in Stormwind Final Live Stream From the Official Hearthstone Site
Cards will be revealed today or tomorrow, coz the theory crafting streams have been confirmed by Brian Kibler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nSrR8dQ40g
Blizzard Has Removed the United in Stormwind Final Live Stream From the Official Hearthstone Site
sorry dude, I know folks were looking forward to this
Blizzard Has Removed the United in Stormwind Final Live Stream From the Official Hearthstone Site
My dissappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
Should Blizzard fans boycott Hearthstone?
I mean, realistically speaking, you're not gonna support the employees by sinking the game and having them laid off.
I don't really think it's necessary for the average player to just straight up uninstall everything and never touch Blizzard games again. At the end of the day, how long would you keep it up? When will you know that things have changed for the better?
If you don't feel like paying for the game anymore that's fine, but I don't think just quitting the game entirely is going to change anything. Blizzard is getting hit hard by this and I doubt they can just sit this one out so things will change (for better or worse). In the meantime, we can basically just do whatever and see how it goes.
At the end of the day people should stick to their own set of ethics and not try to coerce others into following them (lest they turn out to be hypocrites).
Blizzard Has Removed the United in Stormwind Final Live Stream From the Official Hearthstone Site
Kibler stated on his stream today that the theorycrafting streams are going to happen tomorrow. So we'll likely see the cards tomorrow as Blizzard nobly throws HS content creators under the bus.
I know most people on here don't need this reminder, but please don't harass the streamers tomorrow. None of what is happening should fall on their shoulders.
Blizzard Has Removed the United in Stormwind Final Live Stream From the Official Hearthstone Site
If this is actually part of coordinated work-stoppages or slow downs on the part of the employees, then the best thing to do is to direct your ire at the upper management that's created such an insane culture. The issues outlined in the complaint require immediate internal actions well before a lawsuit like this is resolved. The entire reason HR evolved from running payroll and administering benefits into a department that could effectively address workplace abuse and harassment is because companies were paying out huge suits throughout the 90s. A behemoth like Activision-Blizzard crippling HR like this, leading to decades of gross behavior*, means they not only should be sued like any other corporate giant, but that some heads need to roll, and new leadership brought in at a high level. That means board and shareholder involvement, and they're only going to take notice if huge public deadlines are missed. I'm not saying that's what's happening here - I have 0 inside information - but if the Hearthstone team really is intentionally scuttling the release, then they should be supported by the community, not condemned. If your para-social relationship with the game and its developers is strong enough to care what they think, then you should care how they're treated, and how they think the company, at the highest levels, needs to respond.
*For those that want to argue about what's been proven or not, please read up on what a grand jury is, read the complaint in-full, and reflect on the sheer amount of evidence the State of California already has in their possession before a civil complaint like this is filed.
Warcraft tribute
Hi, everyone, it has been a long time since my last post here. :P
This is a tribute to Warcraft I made some time ago. Hope you enjoy it! :)
New Demon Hunter Card Revealed for United in Stormwind by Thijs - Final Showdown
Possibly the worst card in the game.
Blizzard Has Removed the United in Stormwind Final Live Stream From the Official Hearthstone Site
What a bunch of cowards they are! >:(
Blizzard Has Removed the United in Stormwind Final Live Stream From the Official Hearthstone Site
What if there's never a trial because they settle? What if they get away with it because of a technicality (Bill Cosby)? What if you see someone punching someone else in the face? Do you wait for the trial to decide what to do?
By the way the investigation is complete. That's why they sued: https://www.dfeh.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2021/07/BlizzardPR.7.21.21.pdf
Blizzard Has Removed the United in Stormwind Final Live Stream From the Official Hearthstone Site
Im not surprised to be honest
Should Blizzard fans boycott Hearthstone?
I certainly can't speak for everyone, but I haven't yet pre-purchased the expansion (I typically wait until the final card drop before deciding whether buying is worth it). Obviously if you already have, the impact is financially negligible. But there can be PR impacts from public boycotts that extend beyond financial impacts.
Should Blizzard fans boycott Hearthstone?
How would not playing the expansion (it is already pre-purchased) "help support the cause of a just and equitable workplace for Blizzard employees" ?
Should Blizzard fans boycott Hearthstone?
Do what you want. I will not boycott HS.
Blizzard Has Removed the United in Stormwind Final Live Stream From the Official Hearthstone Site
I've read and made my opinion, but this doesn't mean I'm going do anything particular about it.
I'll wait for the investigation results. And if I dislike them, then I'll think about appropriate actions.
Judging and punishing somebody by my own without trial is like lynching to me. Digital lynching.