Makes testing for particular secrets more difficult in cases where the minions are removed one at a time, since there will be one added after each one dies.
3 stars until I see all of the effects, though I can guess at some of them. I feel like it's a card that you slip into a deck that doesn't need important 4-cost cards, rather than making room for it in one that does. It won't win games, but it'll help you get to a win condition.
Hmm, potentially worse Petting Zoo, and paladin secrets often are REALLY bad. But with the return of Avenge and the fact that there probably printing some new paladin secrets, it might become really good. Wait the "They transform back when they die" part makes it a LOT harder to deal with it actually. Kill one, it transforms back and now you have to be scared that the one you killed turned into Avenge or Oh My Yogg!. That's scary. IF Secret Paladin gets REALLY pushed, then i'm probably happy Mysterious Challenger isn't in standard. But on the other side, Secret Palladin might become a real thing again in Wild..
I'm kinda excited for Secret paladin, not gonna lie. BUT i certainly do hope that were gonna see a Eater of Secrets reprint. :)
This card is just a good stall like Jandice Barov and it has some downside because it removes your secrets from play and makes your secrets silence-able.
It's definitely not a finisher but it helps you setup future turns.
This card is definitely awkward, you would need a good follow up turn after playing this.
I think something good would be if there is a card to get back secrets that you played like Libram of Wisdom so if you're getting pressured you can play a bunch more secrets after playing Cannon.
Kripparrian? The same Kripparrian that has been playing Constructed and Arena for the last year? Please... As odd as the card text, at least there's consistency there.
INCREDIBLE card for control decks, it guarantees that you draw your highest cost spell which is really good. Okay let me just list the highest cost spells for each class so far.
Warrior: Commencement and Brawl. Well seems like it's probably going to see play in Big Warrior, just like Big Paladin. Tutorring Brawl isn't good enough, so it won't see play otherwise.
Of course we don't know all the cards in the set yet, so this list can obviously change depending on what kind of cards get revealed. At least we do get a bit of insight in what it can do already.
yes, but Druid used to be able to leverage wide boards without much set up.
This is basically just a minor payoff for when your secrets don't trigger (and Paladin secrets you usually want to trigger fast because they are tempo oriented)
could be nice, if any of the secrets stick for a turn or two before playing this, but I have my doubts... 5 mana 7/7 isn't good enough, so it would need to be 5 mana 10/10 or 13/13 to be good. A similar slot to jandice in rogue/mage, so would need to be two secrets up going into 5 to be good enough i think.
The secrets we know about are already good enough. All the bad ones are going to Wild and Classic.
That said, all this guy does is create stats on board. In fact, timing this can be fairly awkward if you care at all about keeping any of your secrets in play for your opponent's next turn.
So my feeling is not that we need to know about other secrets coming out, but that we need to see further secret support before we call this good.
I'm gonna be honest, this doesn't look that promising.
It's a legendary, so single use only.
It's a 5-mana 4/4 so it needs to get a big payoff to justify its inclusion in the first place
The core set is reduced to 3 secrets, one of which (Noble Sac) is basically guaranteed to trigger quickly, meaning it's unsuitable as a set up. The other two are a bit more controllable, but require you to play passively for the payoff.
We're getting at most two more secrets (if even) in this expansion.
The soldiers are just tokens. They don't have rush or taunt. It's basically a worse version of Soulciologist Malicia.
Overall, I don't think this is gonna be good enough. OUt of all the secret buildarounds, this might just be one of the absolute weakest. On a good day you get to drop this on 5 with like 2 secrets up, meaning it's only slightly better than Jandice Barov who needs no set up and can highroll.
Perhaps there will be some secret related draw engine or other strong cards that just enable secret Pally by themselves, then this will just fit in by default. If not, then this is dead in the water.
I didn't even think to check Xaril, forgot they used used potions too. Turns out they also have a firebloom toxin which deals damage so I think that one is also likely to be right
I'm hoping they release some synergy for this, Mysterious Challenger would be best friends with Smythe. Without some synergy or efficient secret tutors though I don't see this guy working out
Kripparrian Reveals a New Forged in the Barrens Paladin Legendary - Cannonmaster Smythe
Makes testing for particular secrets more difficult in cases where the minions are removed one at a time, since there will be one added after each one dies.
New Neutral Minion - Kazakus, Golem Shaper
I missed kazakus so much, I refused to get my hopes up about seeing him instandard again. Day one craft if nothing else but for memories and meme
Kripparrian Reveals a New Forged in the Barrens Paladin Legendary - Cannonmaster Smythe
Good card.
5 mana summon 4/4 + 3/3 is good. Especially better with more secrets.
New Neutral Minion - Kazakus, Golem Shaper
3 stars until I see all of the effects, though I can guess at some of them. I feel like it's a card that you slip into a deck that doesn't need important 4-cost cards, rather than making room for it in one that does. It won't win games, but it'll help you get to a win condition.
New Paladin Minion - Cannonmaster Smythe
Hmm, potentially worse Petting Zoo, and paladin secrets often are REALLY bad. But with the return of Avenge and the fact that there probably printing some new paladin secrets, it might become really good. Wait the "They transform back when they die" part makes it a LOT harder to deal with it actually. Kill one, it transforms back and now you have to be scared that the one you killed turned into Avenge or Oh My Yogg!. That's scary. IF Secret Paladin gets REALLY pushed, then i'm probably happy Mysterious Challenger isn't in standard. But on the other side, Secret Palladin might become a real thing again in Wild..
I'm kinda excited for Secret paladin, not gonna lie. BUT i certainly do hope that were gonna see a Eater of Secrets reprint. :)
Kripparrian Reveals a New Forged in the Barrens Paladin Legendary - Cannonmaster Smythe
This card is just a good stall like Jandice Barov and it has some downside because it removes your secrets from play and makes your secrets silence-able.
It's definitely not a finisher but it helps you setup future turns.
This card is definitely awkward, you would need a good follow up turn after playing this.
I think something good would be if there is a card to get back secrets that you played like Libram of Wisdom so if you're getting pressured you can play a bunch more secrets after playing Cannon.
Kripparrian Reveals a New Forged in the Barrens Paladin Legendary - Cannonmaster Smythe
Kripparrian? The same Kripparrian that has been playing Constructed and Arena for the last year? Please... As odd as the card text, at least there's consistency there.
Kripparrian Reveals a New Forged in the Barrens Paladin Legendary - Cannonmaster Smythe
Is this a battlegrounds card? Kripp=BGs so...
New Paladin Minion - Cannonmaster Smythe
Another failed attempt of Blizzard trying to make secret paladin a thing.
Wellp.
New Paladin Minion - Cannonmaster Smythe
Looks good to me
aside from your minions getting silenced.
New Neutral Minion - Primordial Protector
INCREDIBLE card for control decks, it guarantees that you draw your highest cost spell which is really good. Okay let me just list the highest cost spells for each class so far.
DH: Cycle of Hatred/Expendable Performers/Fel Guardians. Seems like DH can only run it so far alongside some token synergy.
Druid: Survival of the Fittest. That's a scary card for Clown Druid...
Hunter: Nagrand Slam, Guardian Animals/Jewel of N'Zoth. I think Primordial Protector might get used in Deathrattle Hunter to guarantee draw Jewel of N'Zoth and maybe Nagrand Slam might finally see play in some kind of midrange deck? Seems surprisingly good.
Mage: Grand Finale/Deep Freeze, Flamestrike/Mask of C'Thun. Probably will see play in some kind of control mage deck.
Paladin: Libram of Hope and Commencement. These are the best targets for it, but one is a libram and will be discounted. But it's still a Libram of Wisdom on command. Commencement only fits in Big Paladin, which might get better thanks to Primordial Protector. (As long as you don't draw it with Commencement.)
Priest: Idol of Y'Shaarj and Soul Mirror. I'm guessing Priest probably doesn't want Primordial Protector together with Idol of Y'Shaarj in one deck. Soul Mirror is a 1 off because it's a legendary, so that's not good enough to make Primordial Protector worth it. But priest will probably get some big removal spell i hope.
Rogue: Sprint. Yeh rogue won't run it unless they get a really expansive spell that's good.
Shaman: Tidal Wave. Just like in the animation, and also shamans highest cost spell after the rotation.
Warlock: Twisting Nether and Deck of Chaos tutor. Seems pretty solid, Deck of Chaos decks needed some way to actually draw Deck of Chaos so this might help. On command drawing Twisting Nether is also really solid, but i'm not sure if that's good enough.
Warrior: Commencement and Brawl. Well seems like it's probably going to see play in Big Warrior, just like Big Paladin. Tutorring Brawl isn't good enough, so it won't see play otherwise.
Of course we don't know all the cards in the set yet, so this list can obviously change depending on what kind of cards get revealed. At least we do get a bit of insight in what it can do already.
Kripparrian Reveals a New Forged in the Barrens Paladin Legendary - Cannonmaster Smythe
yes, but Druid used to be able to leverage wide boards without much set up.
This is basically just a minor payoff for when your secrets don't trigger (and Paladin secrets you usually want to trigger fast because they are tempo oriented)
New Paladin Minion - Cannonmaster Smythe
could be nice, if any of the secrets stick for a turn or two before playing this, but I have my doubts... 5 mana 7/7 isn't good enough, so it would need to be 5 mana 10/10 or 13/13 to be good. A similar slot to jandice in rogue/mage, so would need to be two secrets up going into 5 to be good enough i think.
might be good enouhg.
New Paladin Minion - Cannonmaster Smythe
The secrets we know about are already good enough. All the bad ones are going to Wild and Classic.
That said, all this guy does is create stats on board. In fact, timing this can be fairly awkward if you care at all about keeping any of your secrets in play for your opponent's next turn.
So my feeling is not that we need to know about other secrets coming out, but that we need to see further secret support before we call this good.
Kripparrian Reveals a New Forged in the Barrens Paladin Legendary - Cannonmaster Smythe
It's the same as that druid card that replaces mana crystals with treants
New Paladin Minion - Cannonmaster Smythe
I'm gonna be honest, this doesn't look that promising.
It's a legendary, so single use only.
It's a 5-mana 4/4 so it needs to get a big payoff to justify its inclusion in the first place
The core set is reduced to 3 secrets, one of which (Noble Sac) is basically guaranteed to trigger quickly, meaning it's unsuitable as a set up. The other two are a bit more controllable, but require you to play passively for the payoff.
We're getting at most two more secrets (if even) in this expansion.
The soldiers are just tokens. They don't have rush or taunt. It's basically a worse version of Soulciologist Malicia.
Overall, I don't think this is gonna be good enough. OUt of all the secret buildarounds, this might just be one of the absolute weakest. On a good day you get to drop this on 5 with like 2 secrets up, meaning it's only slightly better than Jandice Barov who needs no set up and can highroll.
Perhaps there will be some secret related draw engine or other strong cards that just enable secret Pally by themselves, then this will just fit in by default. If not, then this is dead in the water.
Kripparrian Reveals a New Forged in the Barrens Paladin Legendary - Cannonmaster Smythe
This is a cool gimmick. Glad the Desperate measures spell is rotating out, this guy'd be nuts with that
How Forged in the Barrens' Kazakus, Golem Shaper's Custom Golems Work
I didn't even think to check Xaril, forgot they used used potions too. Turns out they also have a firebloom toxin which deals damage so I think that one is also likely to be right
New Paladin Minion - Cannonmaster Smythe
This is such a cool card but it needs more support. Something that either draws or generates a bunch of secrets, like Mysterious Challenger, Hydrologist or Bellringer Sentry.
New Paladin Minion - Cannonmaster Smythe
Secrets we know will be there from last year and Core set:
Avenge - Great card even not in a Secret Paladin build
Noble Sacrifice - Always felt it was a decent stall, especially against big decks that have only one or two minions on board at a time.
Oh My Yogg! - Can easily see this card see more play if Secrets get more support.
Reckoning - Seems like one of the best new cards being added to Core set.
Feel like with one, maybe two more Secrets, we can finally see a Secret Paladin existed in some capacity.
New Paladin Minion - Cannonmaster Smythe
I'm hoping they release some synergy for this, Mysterious Challenger would be best friends with Smythe. Without some synergy or efficient secret tutors though I don't see this guy working out
New Paladin Minion - Cannonmaster Smythe
I will be optimistic. Probably is ok, but likely not a top meta deck...
New Neutral Minion - Primordial Protector
a very strong card !
Kripparrian Reveals a New Forged in the Barrens Paladin Legendary - Cannonmaster Smythe
That is....strange
New Paladin Minion - Cannonmaster Smythe
So secrets that don't proc then a board... Nah. I'll pass.