That will not be true in April. In fact, if they didn't rotate the DH Initiate set DH would have more cards in Standard than anyone else because the 5 extra cards they received in each of the Year of the Phoenix expansions make up for the 15 missing Classic cards.
We should wait and see exactly how they decide to approach set rotation and the changes to the Classic set before getting too excited, but with most of these gone DH might actually be able to establish a fair class identity without seemingly being able to do everything.
The new formats must also fulfill that one corporate criteria of generating profit. Duels fulfilled it via paywall and heroics mode, and so it follows that if a new format must be introduced at all, I'm sure it must go the same route; either paywalling certain features, or present a tacit requirement for players to spend some* money to have fun in it.
I personally like the idea of a rotating 'limited wild' system, with the cards available for this format to change with every expansion. Will certainly be easier to balance, and will allow us to play with decks from previous metas. It wouldn't even take team5 that much to make it happen. But I hold little hope of seeing this ever coming through. Unless there's some pass you have to buy (either in gold or real money) every expansion to play this mode, I just can't see this design document ever getting past management approval.
I would have thought it would help monetise Wild all by itself, at least enough to cover the small cost of implementing it (they don't need to do anything at all to support it beyond choosing new sets every so often). It would actually push people to buy Wild packs, whereas at the moment most Wild players already have what they need for the slowly changing meta and only buy Standard packs.
I mean... since when was Dungeon Run ever balanced? Some strategies have always been clearly better than others while others need much more specific treasures to get going. It's pretty much impossible to make it balanced and they're only making it worse by adding new things to the mode to keep it fresh. The only reason why Dungeon Runs is fun is because you don't get to experience the absolute bullshit you are doing to the AI like getting infinity'd or using the most OP treasures in the game which immediately swings the game heavily in your favor. Also because the opponents you fight are never the same thing twice in a row so each independent run doesn't feel stale.
Assuming the main aim is to have a dynamic and interesting meta, the easiest (both to implement and come up with) is to just have a rapidly rotating Wild format. E.g. Basic + Classic* + 3 expansions, with the expansions changing every month. Something of the sort gets suggested often, and the beauty of it is that it is obvious it will work: the meta has to change, the reduced pool of cards gives everything a chance to shine, and balance issues resolve themselves quickly.
All hearthstone needs is a way to ban classes. You don't like playing against rez priest or control warrior? You like aggro v aggro matchups? Ban warrior and priest. Don't like face decks? Ban rogue, shaman, and demon hunter. Queue times would be longer but game QUALITY would increase. I HATE playing this game most of the time, usually i don't even want to log in for the dailies. Because i know that in the hour or less time it would take me to accomplish winning 7 times. I will get shit on at least 6 times, by people luckier than me, playing netdecks.
Probably impossible. Not least because classes are designed to have some intrinsic weakness against one another, like how hunter has an intrinsic advantage against most rogue and mage decks. So if your wish comes true, then all I need is to make up some hyper face hunter and ban warrior, paladin, shaman and maybe dhunter. Or ultra late game value rogue deck, with hunter and dhunter bans.
You could argue this would be better for the game, since things could then be nerfed in a vacuum unlike the way its going with scissors being nerfed because rock just got nerfed and because rock is nerfed scissors will be too powerful ala what we just saw with highlander hunter. Just make the classes equals. If you want to print busted cards, do it. Just not in one class.
Most of your suggestions are perhaps more suitable as a weekly rotating tavern brawl, because they tend to get old really fast, as well as presenting more problems of their own. Something like pauper mode might look good on paper but in practice is basically reducing hearthstone to curvestone, while Tribal would be unfeasible since there's basically not enough support for anything other than totems and murlocs. There's no 1 mana dragon, for example, and there's only like 2 feasible 1 drop demons, both coincidentally are locked in warlock.
The new formats must also fulfill that one corporate criteria of generating profit. Duels fulfilled it via paywall and heroics mode, and so it follows that if a new format must be introduced at all, I'm sure it must go the same route; either paywalling certain features, or present a tacit requirement for players to spend some* money to have fun in it.
I personally like the idea of a rotating 'limited wild' system, with the cards available for this format to change with every expansion. Will certainly be easier to balance, and will allow us to play with decks from previous metas. It wouldn't even take team5 that much to make it happen. But I hold little hope of seeing this ever coming through. Unless there's some pass you have to buy (either in gold or real money) every expansion to play this mode, I just can't see this design document ever getting past management approval.
Allowing players to build their decks, have powerful passives and treasures that are granted at random, and paywall certain important powerful starting treasures.
Its only a matter of time before the meta settles and all we see are the same decks over and over again.
The starting deck building shouldve followed the arena format, so its not technically possible to keep facing the most OP deck available while keeping, more or less, the same integrity of the duels format.
All hearthstone needs is a way to ban classes. You don't like playing against rez priest or control warrior? You like aggro v aggro matchups? Ban warrior and priest. Don't like face decks? Ban rogue, shaman, and demon hunter. Queue times would be longer but game QUALITY would increase. I HATE playing this game most of the time, usually i don't even want to log in for the dailies. Because i know that in the hour or less time it would take me to accomplish winning 7 times. I will get shit on at least 6 times, by people luckier than me, playing netdecks.
Probably impossible. Not least because classes are designed to have some intrinsic weakness against one another, like how hunter has an intrinsic advantage against most rogue and mage decks. So if your wish comes true, then all I need is to make up some hyper face hunter and ban warrior, paladin, shaman and maybe dhunter. Or ultra late game value rogue deck, with hunter and dhunter bans.
All hearthstone needs is a way to ban classes. You don't like playing against rez priest or control warrior? You like aggro v aggro matchups? Ban warrior and priest. Don't like face decks? Ban rogue, shaman, and demon hunter. Queue times would be longer but game QUALITY would increase. I HATE playing this game most of the time, usually i don't even want to log in for the dailies. Because i know that in the hour or less time it would take me to accomplish winning 7 times. I will get shit on at least 6 times, by people luckier than me, playing netdecks.
What a surprise dissapointment for me. I absolutely love dungeon runs and the thought of it going PvP blew me away. I was grinning ear to ear when it was announced.
I even went 12 wins first attempt with a cheesy deathrattle Paladin spamming that button. That was before the meta settled. Now everyone plays the exact same imba garbage like robots and your chances are determined more by champ select than by your skill at this game.
I'm really hoping the team that manages this game mode take a nod from the BG team and actually take care of this game during patches. The first one solved almost nothing and imho this mode is totally unplayable at the moment which is a shame.
Classic cards renewal ?
That will not be true in April. In fact, if they didn't rotate the DH Initiate set DH would have more cards in Standard than anyone else because the 5 extra cards they received in each of the Year of the Phoenix expansions make up for the 15 missing Classic cards.
See https://outof.cards/hearthstone/958-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-demon-hunter-initiate-set, which states the DH Initiate set is in the Year of the Dragon for rotation purposes. Blizz will have originally said it when revealing the Initiate set.
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Grump :)
Classic cards renewal ?
cannot rotate DH
they have lot less cards than other classes
Classic cards renewal ?
Lots of important cards are in the DH Initiate set, such as: Twin Slice, Battlefiend, Consume Magic, Blade Dance, Umberwing, Eye Beam, and Altruis the Outcast.
We should wait and see exactly how they decide to approach set rotation and the changes to the Classic set before getting too excited, but with most of these gone DH might actually be able to establish a fair class identity without seemingly being able to do everything.
It's time for Hearthstone to have a new Format.
I would have thought it would help monetise Wild all by itself, at least enough to cover the small cost of implementing it (they don't need to do anything at all to support it beyond choosing new sets every so often). It would actually push people to buy Wild packs, whereas at the moment most Wild players already have what they need for the slowly changing meta and only buy Standard packs.
Duels is freaking awful....
I mean... since when was Dungeon Run ever balanced? Some strategies have always been clearly better than others while others need much more specific treasures to get going. It's pretty much impossible to make it balanced and they're only making it worse by adding new things to the mode to keep it fresh. The only reason why Dungeon Runs is fun is because you don't get to experience the absolute bullshit you are doing to the AI like getting infinity'd or using the most OP treasures in the game which immediately swings the game heavily in your favor. Also because the opponents you fight are never the same thing twice in a row so each independent run doesn't feel stale.
It's time for Hearthstone to have a new Format.
this...
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It's time for Hearthstone to have a new Format.
You could argue this would be better for the game, since things could then be nerfed in a vacuum unlike the way its going with scissors being nerfed because rock just got nerfed and because rock is nerfed scissors will be too powerful ala what we just saw with highlander hunter. Just make the classes equals. If you want to print busted cards, do it. Just not in one class.
Duels is freaking awful....
Totally agreeing. I'd rather draft 15 cards than pick them. Variance. Big fail, Bliz.
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Hexcore Foundry is the coolest card in Runeterra right now.
Targon's peak feels ok to play against.
All the rest of the landmarks feel bad to play against. They should all be Symmetrical or have Limited Charges.
It's time for Hearthstone to have a new Format.
Most of your suggestions are perhaps more suitable as a weekly rotating tavern brawl, because they tend to get old really fast, as well as presenting more problems of their own. Something like pauper mode might look good on paper but in practice is basically reducing hearthstone to curvestone, while Tribal would be unfeasible since there's basically not enough support for anything other than totems and murlocs. There's no 1 mana dragon, for example, and there's only like 2 feasible 1 drop demons, both coincidentally are locked in warlock.
The new formats must also fulfill that one corporate criteria of generating profit. Duels fulfilled it via paywall and heroics mode, and so it follows that if a new format must be introduced at all, I'm sure it must go the same route; either paywalling certain features, or present a tacit requirement for players to spend some* money to have fun in it.
I personally like the idea of a rotating 'limited wild' system, with the cards available for this format to change with every expansion. Will certainly be easier to balance, and will allow us to play with decks from previous metas. It wouldn't even take team5 that much to make it happen. But I hold little hope of seeing this ever coming through. Unless there's some pass you have to buy (either in gold or real money) every expansion to play this mode, I just can't see this design document ever getting past management approval.
It's time for Hearthstone to have a new Format.
Or, just give the players option to create a custom play. (Like custom maps in warcraft 3)
Duels is freaking awful....
Allowing players to build their decks, have powerful passives and treasures that are granted at random, and paywall certain important powerful starting treasures.
Its only a matter of time before the meta settles and all we see are the same decks over and over again.
The starting deck building shouldve followed the arena format, so its not technically possible to keep facing the most OP deck available while keeping, more or less, the same integrity of the duels format.
It's time for Hearthstone to have a new Format.
Probably impossible. Not least because classes are designed to have some intrinsic weakness against one another, like how hunter has an intrinsic advantage against most rogue and mage decks. So if your wish comes true, then all I need is to make up some hyper face hunter and ban warrior, paladin, shaman and maybe dhunter. Or ultra late game value rogue deck, with hunter and dhunter bans.
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Duels is freaking awful....
This wasn't hard to predict.
It's time for Hearthstone to have a new Format.
All hearthstone needs is a way to ban classes. You don't like playing against rez priest or control warrior? You like aggro v aggro matchups? Ban warrior and priest. Don't like face decks? Ban rogue, shaman, and demon hunter. Queue times would be longer but game QUALITY would increase. I HATE playing this game most of the time, usually i don't even want to log in for the dailies. Because i know that in the hour or less time it would take me to accomplish winning 7 times. I will get shit on at least 6 times, by people luckier than me, playing netdecks.
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I haven't even tried Targon's Peak yet. Man, I need to get on that.
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Man I'm gonna need a lot more balls if I want to be up on that board I mean I doubt I can beat Pezman but ill settle for 12th
Classic cards renewal ?
Ooooo.... What major DH cards rotate?
Duels is freaking awful....
What a surprise dissapointment for me. I absolutely love dungeon runs and the thought of it going PvP blew me away. I was grinning ear to ear when it was announced.
I even went 12 wins first attempt with a cheesy deathrattle Paladin spamming that button. That was before the meta settled. Now everyone plays the exact same imba garbage like robots and your chances are determined more by champ select than by your skill at this game.
I'm really hoping the team that manages this game mode take a nod from the BG team and actually take care of this game during patches. The first one solved almost nothing and imho this mode is totally unplayable at the moment which is a shame.
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The pin looks great next to profile pic!
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Thanks!
It's time for Hearthstone to have a new Format.
I loved the 15 cards deck brawl.
I made my 15 cards deck with the worst possible legendaries (Millhouse Manastorm, Nat Pagle, Tinkmaster Overspark, King Mukla, The Beast, Shu'ma etc. and few class addons) and was really enjoying the second half of my opponents deck.