Drawing is good, and tutor cards always had a special place in meta, so as long as a shuffle strategy is used by rogue, this card will definitely be viable.
This card is no doubt meta defining. Now the real question is, how much it will affect the meta. Initially I thought of it a Prince Keleseth that would be used in midrange decks filled with dragons. But as more dragons started to appear, more uses to this card would come to. I then remembered that in shaman with quest one could make a highlander version running new alextraza, and lets not forget that malygos is still a thing.
I consider this to be the most meta defining card so far in the expansion, and one that will receive the community cries for NERF.
I could see this either as a tempo play, or with banker's to enable combos. Not as strong as galaxy in effect, but it also leaves behind a solid body. Toss in spirit of the shark or brann, and you can get some really crazy things going.
I could see this either as a tempo play, or with banker's to enable combos. Not as strong as galaxy in effect, but it also leaves behind a solid body. Toss in spirit of the shark or brann, and you can get some really crazy things going.
Any deck that can draw relatively fast can profit really strongly of of this,
Other decks will also profit decently but for it really to pay off big you gotta have alot of dragons in it.
Strong card overall the body the effect the fact that lategame this card might not be of alot of use is incomparable to the buff you get when you do get this on curve.
I think it's a good card, but not necessarily an "insta-craft". Down the line Frizz might be considered overkill, or too greedy a play. It also has the Prince Keleseth/Luna's Pocket Galaxy problem in-that you need to play it as early as possible. I would wait and see before rushing to craft it.
Watch those teeth though mate (and the breath which can be pretty fiery)
I believe he’s talking about banging the goblin, which is a much safer proposition. It would probably just result in a trip to the clinic for some topical cream.
This card is absolutely insane for an aggro warrior, especially when you consider that warrior still has charge minions that would be in the deck, like the 4/3 charge minion, or even Gromm. If you get this on turn 9 you can use hero power for 8 damage. Warrior also has a bunch of rush minions so even if you don't high roll charge this would still be insane. Not all the warrior cards have been revealed yet but I imagine there will be cheap cards to invoke with, and that would just give your hero 3 attack to charge with each time.
I think people are overrating this card quite a lot, i personally voted this 1 star.
For make this card good you have to run a ridicolous amount of dragons (you want to draw them almost every turn!) , basically to justify including this card on your deck you have to play an horrible deck in the the first place.
Kaleseth and Luna's pocket galaxy aren't comparable at all with this (and I'm super happy about it), because the decks where they are played are good regardless, and become broken when they are drawn.
For this card to reach the power level of Kaleseth or Luna's you have to have a deck with like 15+ dragons that works, that deck isn't going anywhere.
I'm pretty sure that this card won't see much play after the meta settles.
You don't need this to discount 30 mana for it to be worthwhile. In fact, as a 4 mana 5/4, it barely has to do anything to be a playable card, and reducing expensive dragons in your deck by 2 is a hell of a lot more than nothing. People play Emperor Thaurisan to get a couple of cards reduced by 1, and that's a 6 mana 5/5. Reducing mana costs is one of the most consistently busted mechanics in the game.
We are on an agreement that cheating mana cost is one of the most bust mechanics in the game, no doubts.
But i think i've been misunderstood, what i mean with the example of the 15+ dragon is that to even remotely compare this card to Luna's or Keleseth (i always mispronounce him KAleseth) you have to play it in a deck with a ridicolous amount of dragons.
Is obvious that those decks will not be as strong as the ones that did play/are playing Keleset or Luna's, my point was basically that this card is not the new Keleseth (and, again, i hope that a "new Keleseth" will never be a thing) because the decks where his power level is comparable to Keleseth aren't good, while the decks that played Keleseth are good even without him, he just brings them to another level.
I actually builded a druid deck and a paladin deck with a lot of dragons to see how a deck that focus on making Frizz very powerful would look like, you can see them in my page here.
Now i'll try to explain why i think this card isn't good.
Realistically a dragon deck would not run more than 8 dragons (unless they start reveal a good amount of very good low cost dragons from now), but let's say a good deck that runs 10 dragons will exist;
You spend your turn 4 to play a 5/4, which isn't super bad, but we can't pretend that is good either because the 5/4 isn't a good body versus aggro decks. The problems come after, with 10 dragons in the deck you should have already drawn 2-3 of them, so in the deck there are like 7-8 dragons. Is already turn 5 when you'll draw the next card, the game will not last much longer, so most of the time you will not even draw a dragon before the game ends. Or just draw one, and in that case the reduction in cost has to matter, otherwise if the cost reduction didn't matter the card still didn't nothing (the counterargument is that it always grant at least a "free" hero power).
So basically even in games where you drop this on turn 4 the card did very litte, at some point people will start putting a card that does something instead of this one. I can be wrong, but i suggest people to wait a while before insta-craft this.
I think the comparison with Emperor is not a good one, because discounting the cards on hand means that you are guaranteed that the cost reduction will matter (and it makes every kind of combos possible, as you decide what to reduce).
Time will tell, but i hope that maybe this time i was more clear about why i think this card is bad
Frizz Kindleroost
overpowered card. no explanation required
Stowaway
I don't think it works this way.The text might be translated from Chinese or something.
New Rogue Minion - Stowaway
Drawing is good, and tutor cards always had a special place in meta, so as long as a shuffle strategy is used by rogue, this card will definitely be viable.
New Neutral Minion - Frizz Kindleroost
This card is no doubt meta defining.
Now the real question is, how much it will affect the meta. Initially I thought of it a Prince Keleseth that would be used in midrange decks filled with dragons. But as more dragons started to appear, more uses to this card would come to. I then remembered that in shaman with quest one could make a highlander version running new alextraza, and lets not forget that malygos is still a thing.
I consider this to be the most meta defining card so far in the expansion, and one that will receive the community cries for NERF.
New Neutral Minion - Frizz Kindleroost
I could see this either as a tempo play, or with banker's to enable combos. Not as strong as galaxy in effect, but it also leaves behind a solid body. Toss in spirit of the shark or brann, and you can get some really crazy things going.
Legendary Card Reveal - Frizz Kindleroost
I don't think it's most important but I think it's she not he.
Legendary Card Reveal - Frizz Kindleroost
I could see this either as a tempo play, or with banker's to enable combos. Not as strong as galaxy in effect, but it also leaves behind a solid body. Toss in spirit of the shark or brann, and you can get some really crazy things going.
New Neutral Minion - Frizz Kindleroost
Any deck that can draw relatively fast can profit really strongly of of this,
Other decks will also profit decently but for it really to pay off big you gotta have alot of dragons in it.
Strong card overall the body the effect the fact that lategame this card might not be of alot of use is incomparable to the buff you get when you do get this on curve.
Legendary Card Reveal - Frizz Kindleroost
It took a while for me to realize that he's in a hole in the floor. At first I thought he was standing on a plate or on a flying saucer of some sort.
(DoD) Dragon Handlock
I agree just replace it with anything really.
New Neutral Minion - Frizz Kindleroost
I think it's a good card, but not necessarily an "insta-craft". Down the line Frizz might be considered overkill, or too greedy a play. It also has the Prince Keleseth/Luna's Pocket Galaxy problem in-that you need to play it as early as possible. I would wait and see before rushing to craft it.
[Game] Card Treasure Hunt (The Resurrection Attempt)
Yes. Your go!
[Game] Card Treasure Hunt (The Resurrection Attempt)
Treachery?
Stowaway
Great question. The wording is bad. But I still don't think it implies 2 of the same card.
Prophet Velen
Waiting for the nerf/hof of this card so I can dust my duplicate :P
Inkmaster Solia
Power creep victim... RIP
Giant Anaconda
Never understood why the cost of this card was so high. Being a deathrattle it was hard to control.
C'Thun
Looking forwards to another card like this in the future!
Legendary Card Reveal - Frizz Kindleroost
I believe he’s talking about banging the goblin, which is a much safer proposition. It would probably just result in a trip to the clinic for some topical cream.
Aviana
It's still easy to combo with [Hearthstone Card (Jungle Giants) Not Found] ;)
New Warrior Hero - Galakrond, the Unbreakable
This card is absolutely insane for an aggro warrior, especially when you consider that warrior still has charge minions that would be in the deck, like the 4/3 charge minion, or even Gromm. If you get this on turn 9 you can use hero power for 8 damage. Warrior also has a bunch of rush minions so even if you don't high roll charge this would still be insane. Not all the warrior cards have been revealed yet but I imagine there will be cheap cards to invoke with, and that would just give your hero 3 attack to charge with each time.
New Neutral Minion - Frizz Kindleroost
We are on an agreement that cheating mana cost is one of the most bust mechanics in the game, no doubts.
But i think i've been misunderstood, what i mean with the example of the 15+ dragon is that to even remotely compare this card to Luna's or Keleseth (i always mispronounce him KAleseth) you have to play it in a deck with a ridicolous amount of dragons.
Is obvious that those decks will not be as strong as the ones that did play/are playing Keleset or Luna's, my point was basically that this card is not the new Keleseth (and, again, i hope that a "new Keleseth" will never be a thing) because the decks where his power level is comparable to Keleseth aren't good, while the decks that played Keleseth are good even without him, he just brings them to another level.
I actually builded a druid deck and a paladin deck with a lot of dragons to see how a deck that focus on making Frizz very powerful would look like, you can see them in my page here.
Now i'll try to explain why i think this card isn't good.
Realistically a dragon deck would not run more than 8 dragons (unless they start reveal a good amount of very good low cost dragons from now), but let's say a good deck that runs 10 dragons will exist;
You spend your turn 4 to play a 5/4, which isn't super bad, but we can't pretend that is good either because the 5/4 isn't a good body versus aggro decks. The problems come after, with 10 dragons in the deck you should have already drawn 2-3 of them, so in the deck there are like 7-8 dragons. Is already turn 5 when you'll draw the next card, the game will not last much longer, so most of the time you will not even draw a dragon before the game ends. Or just draw one, and in that case the reduction in cost has to matter, otherwise if the cost reduction didn't matter the card still didn't nothing (the counterargument is that it always grant at least a "free" hero power).
So basically even in games where you drop this on turn 4 the card did very litte, at some point people will start putting a card that does something instead of this one. I can be wrong, but i suggest people to wait a while before insta-craft this.
I think the comparison with Emperor is not a good one, because discounting the cards on hand means that you are guaranteed that the cost reduction will matter (and it makes every kind of combos possible, as you decide what to reduce).
Time will tell, but i hope that maybe this time i was more clear about why i think this card is bad
Shirvallah, the Tiger
I wish this card would fit into other decks than OTK ones... :/
New Neutral Minion - Frizz Kindleroost
This expansion's decks will be soo greedy and super expensive reno dragon decks with super high roll tempo cards. Even Ysera can return to standard.
Lemonade
One of my favorites.