What, in your opinion, is the most broken deck in the history of Hearthstone? 2 parts to the question..:

1. Broken relative to the power level of the other decks at the time (i.e. had the best meta win rate ever)

2. Broken overall (i.e. most powerful deck that has ever existed)

I wonder, if you threw all the pre-nerf broken decks together in a Tavern Brawl, which would be the best performing deck? How would Quest Rogue do against Grim Patron Warrior, Cubelock, Raza Priest, Freeze Mage? Was Jade Druid really as powerful as it seemed? Do any of them hold a candle to Gala Shaman? Do golden oldies like Deathrattle Hunter or Combo Druid even stand a chance?

I've completed my three expeditions for this week but I was wondering what exactly the rewards are if you enter open play (free expeditions after you've completed the first three in a week). In the game it just says "limited rewards". Does this mean you only get regular xp like for normal games?

So what's the verdict on rerolling the Lunar New Year event quests? Do you keep the 60g/dust quests or do you reroll them?

I know that by right-clicking a card, I can view all cards associated with it, which includes potential skills they trigger (like Chempunk Shredder). However, I would like to be able to tell at a glance if a unit's effect triggers right away (like a Burst spell) or if it uses a skill, which I could then respond to with spells of my own. I know, first-world problems and all, but it'd be a nice quality-of-life improvement. Unless I'm missing something and there's already a way to tell.

I don't think it does but I'm just double checking as I can't seem to find info on this.

Oh and am I correct in assuming that the the region rewards are a one time thing?

This deck is so busted. The AoEs are waaay to strong. The 1 mana, 2 mana and 3 mana spells are all acting like Twisting Nether. All of them needs a nerf for 1 or better even 2 mana and they still whould be strong as f***. There is no way to get a board at all against this deck - it`s just ridiculous!

not sure how to defend against this.  was ahead 18 to 7, and then the other player threw down commander ledros every turn taking me down to 4 hp.  :/

it seems rather broken considering it took me 5 turns just to get my offense working.  

broken?

With all the changes that have come down the pipeline with these new expansions, I have encountered so many fluctuations in deck builds that many of the popular archetypes are becoming null.  Kingsbane being one of them.  I loved using this card in my Mill Rogue builds as the changes in the expansions came and went.  However, recently I have tried to update that deck and it feels that no matter what I try, there are so many different types of decks out there, that it doesn't work at all anymore.

Of all the decks that I play and have played against, it feels that the only constant in higher level play in Wild is Rez Priest.  I've found a few builds here and there of decks that I like and modified them to my play style, but ultimately I am wondering what everyone else has experienced with some of their favorite decks in Wild with the changing of the environment with the expansions are. Are you finding that your favorite builds and/or decks as a whole are no longer working?  What are you doing different?  Have you abandoned your old builds and gone with something new?

OK, I know some of you have already seen this deck on this site (it's gotten a little bit of hype, including 5 upvotes and me running into someone in HS who recognized me by the deck I was running and friended me).

But until now, however much fun I was having with the deck, I didn't really consider it worthy of posting on the forums about, because its winrate was only in the 30s or 40s.

That's changed in the past few days. Maybe it's just because it's the end of the month and the tryhards have ranked up above me, but ... whatever the reason, I've played 55 games of the latest version of the deck, and it's gotten a winrate of 63.6%. That's newsworthy IMO.

IMPENDING DOOM ... Dragonz Edition!

Wild · Shudderwock Shaman · by CaptainKaulu · 6 years, 4 months ago

• 1 Corrupt the Waters x 1
• 1 Sludge Slurper x 2
• 2 Firetree Witchdoctor x 2
• 2 Novice Engineer x 1
• 2 Questing Explorer x 2
• 2 Sandstorm Elemental x 2
• 3 Lightning Breath x 2
• 4 Coppertail Imposter x 1
• 4 Frizz Kindleroost x 1
• 4 Lifedrinker x 2
• 4 Omega Defender x 1
• 4 Sky Gen'ral Kragg x 1
• 5 Barista Lynchen x 1
• 5 Big Ol' Whelp x 2
• 5 Faceless Corruptor x 2
• 6 Evasive Wyrm x 1
• 6 Nithogg x 1
• 7 Siamat x 1
• 8 Twin Tyrant x 2
• 9 Onyxia x 1
• 9 Shudderwock x 1

14,720 Dust 1,744 0 Copy Deck Code

HSReplay says that the typical winrate for Quest Shamans lately (without Galakrond) is 37.8%, so ... I must be doing something right and different to get the results I'm getting!

I'm excited to improve the deck even more on Tuesday when Sky Gen'ral Kragg comes out!

Title!! VERY curious! What did everyone get in their weekly vault? Also, what are your thoughts on NOT being able to buy what you want in the beginning to essentially make all possible deck combinations? I've seen a lot of people complaining that they can't build certain decks yet. 

Here's a video I made with my thoughts for whoever is interested! =) 1st Weekly Vault!

Because I sure don't. Am I in Bronze? Or am I in Gold? Am I in Plat? Silver? Iron? Who the F knows. An even more impertinent question, why didn't the devs not just label the ranks with, you know, WORDS. Like every other competitive game ever made, including League of Legends.

We're 1 week in and there's already a bunch of threads debating whether or not Card X is overpowered or Y needs a nerf, so I thought it might be a Friday Fun topic to flip those conversations around and ask: which cards are you underwhelmed by?  What do you think is unplayable and/or could really use a buff?

I'll start.  I think Vladimir is the least impressive card in the set by a mile, followed by Kalista at a distant 2nd.  Both are nonexistent on ladder.  They're both champions--unlike say Mistwraith, where you can make the claim that the card is niche and isn't intended to be significant, these cards are suppose to be the high-impact tent poles that you build your decks around. 

For Vlad: I like their commitment to theme, but in practice dealing 1 damage to ALL your attacking minions BEFORE the opponent declares blockers is extremely costly, and the benefit of dealing a little nexus damage just isn't worth it.  He doesn't fit aggro strategies--he's too expensive--and he doesn't really fit tempo strategies because he just makes it too easy for your opponent to value trade.  I have seen theorycraft decks where you try to leverage his effect across pain-loving Frejlord minions, but they're basically a lot of setup for the chance at one big swing--way too slow for any conceivable meta, and even if you do somehow pull it off you don't have overwhelm so you're vulnerable to chump blocks.  They did at least buff him in the last patch such that his level up now includes damage to himself, but even if you level him he's just a 6/6 regen--basically a Level 2 Garen without the attack tokens. 

For Kalista: her bond use to make her invulnerable but they nerfed it to just giving +2/+0 for as long as she's alive and gave her fearsome.  The big problem here is that she still only has 2 health, so she dies to pretty much anything: challenger, mystic shot, avalanche, any blocker with 3+ attack, etc.  I don't think she's as bad as Vlad as you can at least still slot a few copies of her in any aggro-oriented deck and basically just use her as a well-statted 3-drop, but as peoples' collections fill out and better options become available I think she stops making the cut.

Full disclosure: I have opened 1 Vlad and 2 Kalista from my champions modules, so I am definitely biased.  :-P  What cards do you think are "teh weaksauce"?

I have been trying to experiment with stuff one of them is poros, sadly I don't have all the poro cards or a third braum, but I tried to play it, I am quite sure it's not good enough and I am more unsure which second region fits the poro decks..

didn't get to play them in the preview, but I saw fluff got nerfed(think it was from 5 mana to 6) so there is probably a viable build somehow..

this is what I have so far:

After 2 days of very aggro decks (mech pally, face hunters, ...) this last day of ladder was full of druids in ranks 1-3. So I made a deck to specifically beat them and it worked way better than I expected.

I got 12 wins a row to get to legend, knocking down 6 embiggen druids on the way. Si I decided to forget about my statistics course and call it 100% win ;)

I'm not saying I'm a master deck builder (I'm usually pretty bad when I make my own decks) and I suppose many people have similar decks already. But if you like playing rogue and face too many druids, try this version!

My 12-0 road to legend anti-druid deck

Wild · Galakrond Rogue · by Gwavana · 6 years, 3 months ago

• 0 Backstab x 2
• 0 Shadowstep x 2
• 1 Pharaoh Cat x 2
• 1 Praise Galakrond! x 2
• 2 Eviscerate x 2
• 2 Sap x 1
• 3 Edwin VanCleef x 1
• 3 EVIL Miscreant x 2
• 3 Seal Fate x 2
• 3 SN1P-SN4P x 1
• 4 Devoted Maniac x 2
• 4 Dragonmaw Poacher x 2
• 5 Faceless Corruptor x 2
• 5 Leeroy Jenkins x 1
• 5 Shield of Galakrond x 2
• 6 Flik Skyshiv x 1
• 6 Heistbaron Togwaggle x 1
• 6 Kronx Dragonhoof x 1
• 7 Galakrond, the Nightmare x 1

12,360 Dust 3,919 3 Copy Deck Code

If this helps someone, I'll be happy.

I played Cheap Shot twice then ran out of mana, so i played Preparation to be able to cast another echo copy of Cheap Shot. As you can see all my spells cost 2 less, EXCEPT the echo copy of Cheap Shot that costs 1 less.

Echo copies always cost the same as the "default" version of the card, and there are no on board modifiers that would somehow change the mana cost of Cheap Shot. It costed 2, i played Prep, it costed 1. That is a bug.

hey! i ve read on the foroum about some ways to do that. also in other sites but im still confused on how to do that. I live in europe and use paypal mostly. anyone to help me ?

Let´s get straight to the bussiness.... Piltover sucks. It´s extremely slow and dependant on drawing very specific cards to win AND 90% decks you will play against have 3x Deny in their decks, as Ionia is completely broken region with elusive units, aggro, control, spells ... well , pretty much anything. 

Piltover is supposed to be THE spell control region, but it has almost the worst spells in the game ( For example, Piltover is the only region without hard removal spell like Vengeance, Culling Strikes and Noxxian Guillotine , the best thing you get is 3 damage for 7 mana in Piltover :D ) 

Deny needs it´s cost increased to atleast 4-5,  so Ionia decks won´t be allowed to counter anything for 3 spell mana. And Piltover cards like Assemly Bot needs buff ( for example, decrease it´s cost to 2 ) ,  Piltover has no viable 1-2 cost units except Eager Apprentice so your deck becomes viable at turn 5+, where you can start comboing with Heimerdinger etc. , but in this meta there is no way you survive that long.

A new patch has landed. It brings with it a bunch of buffs to purple, the ability to swap boards, and the ability to export decks directly from the deck tracker (so now you can copy the deck that kicked your butt :P) and a bunch of more fixes. Full notes.

This is likely the last deploy of January 2020! I've split up our larger end-of-January site update into today's update and one that will arrive on Monday, February 3 (need Friday and the weekend to go over more major systems).

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The great forum overhaul of 2020 has arrived.

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Hello everyone, I'm back with another concept that allows us to have more ways to play Hearthstone. My last concept was Explorer, a format that bans cards on a monthly basis until it resets at the beginning of the new Hearthstone Year. Today I bring you Tables, a new way to play Hearthstone with your friends with your own rules. Such as hand size, starting health, deck size, and more with a little imagination. There's also some bonus stuff that I'm throwing in here as well that can apply. Again, if you see any flaws, have any questions, or just want to point something out that I didn't cover, please let me know. My designs are not perfect but we as a community can get Team 5's attention and tell them that we want something new.

Here we go.



Hearthstone is set in Harth's tavern somewhere in Azeroth.
The players are sat down at a table, in front of the Box and begin playing.
But what if we..... got up? And walked to a different table?
This is where Tables came from, the idea that other people are in this tavern, playing Hearthstone, by their own rules.
It's a pretty easy concept and pretty simple to implement.



Everyone is familiar with with the Modes button by now, and I felt that Tables fits right into that menu.
Choosing a tankard was appropriate because chances are if you're playing custom games, you're playing with friends.
Just click it and you'll be taken to the next menu.



Okay, I know I just gave you ALOT to look at and process, but these are the tables.

Before we talk about making your own rules and rule sets, I'm going to showcase some other ways to play.



Before we get started we have to address that with the implementation of Tables, comes also the Deck Box system.
It's simple, you click the button, and select the corresponding rule set or mode you want it to be made for, and get to building.





Toki, Time-Tinker is moving to Wild in April and when she does, her Battlecry won't make much sense.
She didn't see serious play when she was in Standard and definitely won't in Wild, so why not give her a Table to herself?



Toki's Tables of Time allows players to visit old, end of year metas of the past.
Just select the mode and what year, and get to playing!





Two Headed Ogre is pretty straight forward.

Hearthstone Mathematics made a video showcasing what a 2V2 mode would look like.



Iksar even commented on the mode but this was right before Battlegrounds was announced, so maybe people have forgotten about it?




Tournaments Grounds is essentially Tournament Mode but now it has a home in Table.

It makes sense really.
What if a bunch of players got together, established rules, card bans, and the like and started a Tournament?
What if other players like their rule set and wanted to mimic it?
We'll get to that soon. ;)




Endless Adventure is basically an endless Dungeon Run, but with rewards.
It uses all of them, intertwined if you'd like.
Dungeon Run, Monster Hunt, Rumble Run, Dalaran Heist, and Tombs of Terror.

A free version of it will be available to all players to play whenever they want.
New Treasures and ways to modify/remove cards from your deck should be implemented.
Rewards should be given when beating boss number "x" and so on.

A paid version, with either gold or your local currency, is available to those who think they can get really far.
Rewards will be increased as well.



For Tournament Grounds and Endless Adventure, I went and I had to brainstorm for rewards that are worthy of players' time.

I came up with two new rewards called Pack Tokens and Pack Sleeves.

Pack Tokens are exactly what they sound like.
They are equivalent to 100 Gold and buy you a pack.
The difference is that you can use these to buy whatever pack you want instead of the game choosing for you.




Pack Sleeves are a tool players can use to guarantee that they'll open a Legendary or Epic card.

Any pack can be used with these, and most importantly, you don't have to use them right away.
That means you can save them, and when an expansion comes out, if you want to use them all at once, go for it.
Now of course these aren't going to be easy to obtain, but hey, they're still neat.

The way these work internally is that once the pack is slid in, it chooses a Common rarity card and changes it before you open the pack.

Now enough waiting around, let's talk about making your own rules.
You select "Your Table" and are presented with a menu that allows you to browse individual rules and build them into a rule set.
You give it a name and description and start diving into individual rules that apply within.

Focus on the left side first.

The game needs to know what set restrictions you'd like to have.
Current Standard set?
How about all of Wild?
Do you want to modify what was allowed in Year of the Mammoth?

Let's pick Standard for Simplicity.
Now we have to list sets that are in use, this will default to whatever was allowed within the time you chose.
If you want to ban a particular set, now you can.
What would it look like if only (all of) Witchwood, Rastakhan's Rumble, and Descent of Dragons were allowed?
No Classic or Basic sets either.

Now that we have that out of the way, let's ban some cards, and maybe even some classes.
We'll get rid of every Galakrond card plus what ever cards synergize with him.
We'll also ban Embiggen and Necrium Apothecary.
You know what? Since Genn Greymane and Baku the Mooneater are here I'm gonna ban Paladin and Shaman as well, these are MY rules after all.

On the right you can see other rules that are not active until you click "Add Custom Rules".
Then you can peruse you own ideas or other players ideas and throw them into the rule set.
At the bottom of the extra rules slider will be an option to actually make other rules, I just couldn't find an appealing UI design.

Rule sets and Rules are shareable similarly to how we share deck codes.

Here's a mock up of a completed Rule Set

"Play" is where you would go if you wanted to play against random players against other players' rule sets, or maybe even a rule set made by a Blizzard employee.

Think of it as a game browser.

Issues, Solutions, and Outcomes.

Issues

Probably the biggest one that will be called out is that it dilutes the player base which is understandable.
Players claim that the wait times for Wild are long enough as it is and more formats or game modes would make it even longer.

Does Tables of Time have longevity?

What if rules conflict with each other?

How will Tavern Brawl be affected?

Replayability

Taverns of Time could be the largest victim of this. I'm not sure how many long time players will dive into old, figured out metas.
But the option is still there for people who would like to dive in.

Solutions

Rules should be made to where if two rules conflict they can't exist in the same rule set. This should be a fail safe that's implemented by Team 5.

As for dilution of the player base, Team 5 should create more incentives to encourage players to branch out into different formats and modes with quests.
They've done it in the past, they just need to do it more often.

To me, Tavern Brawl is more of a stepping stone if anything.
It's existed for several years now and I think it's time to retire it and/or move it into Tables.
It's honestly a perfect fit as well.

Outcomes

I think in general most players will like the idea that they can make their own rules and share them with the Hearthstone community.

Dilution of the player base is a possibility but I firmly believe in having a split player base is better than a non-existent one.

I made this Mode because people were telling me how awesome it would be to have the ability to make their own rules.
So I made a concept that Team 5 should look at and consider.

Once again, if I overlooked anything, didn't explain something entirely, or if you are confused about something just ask.


As always, thank you for reading,
-Grif

So everyone who have been playing Runeterra can't ignore the fact that elusives are a problem specially now as they are everywhere, the main problem with the mechanic is that you can't interact with it unless you are playing elusive units yourself or you deck is mostly spells and you have all niche removals.

It's much harder to deal with when they are buffed and they keep attacking you each round for a lot of damage.

To top it all off Deny is preventing skill/spell answers for the deck.

I posted one idea on one balance thread but I think this specific mechanic needs a dedicated thread.

So what are the options?

1. Make elusive one strike only, this will not only open additional design space but it makes total sense, if you are sneaking around or hard to catch, once you stroke you revealed yourself so you are no longer stealthed, add to Teemo that he regains elusive each round and buff Ezreal's health to compensate.

2. make elusive one turn only like barrier, you play an elusive unit? well you better attack with it/defend because it will lose it at the end of the round- I initially thought about this approach but it would destroy them and it's less thematic.

3. nerfs across the board, nerf all elusive followers hp or attack, make the mechanic have premium cost. because of the inevitable powercreep it's a short term solution

4. Nerf Deny, it will knock down the elusive decks enough.

So what do you guys think?

Win or lose, I'm already tired of this card. I shouldn't be forced to not use any spells over 5 mana when I face a deck with Ionian cards.... Idk if it needs to be hard nerfed, but something needs to be done about this card solo winning certain matchups.

Have you ever had a moment when you wanted to craft an expensive card (Epic or Legendary) based on an idea you know is going to be bad of a deck you know that will never work, but you just have to do it for the fun of it?

What was the card, and what was the result of this endeavor? 

I am having that moment right now... and was wondering how others handled it :)

Deny seems to be a slightly overpowered card, but the developers have stated that they don't want to increase its Mana cost because then it couldn't be cast just with spell mana. One way that they could nerf it without changing the mana cost would be for them to add "Refill 2 of your opponent's Spell Mana" to Deny so that it becomes weaker and allows for your opponent to gain back some of the Mana they lost by casting the spell. This way players could cast expensive spells against Ionian opponents without having to wait for them to fall below 3 Mana.

I'm asking this because obviously part of the game designers intent was to have decks be built around champions stronger effects. As of now, I am seeing plenty of decks do extremely well with absolutely no champions in them - and it's more than I'd honestly even like to see. What's everyone's thoughts on this?

As an example, here is a video I made of a very common Ionia/Demacia deck running around right now with zero champs: Ionia/Demacia Deck.