Legends of Runeterra

Is there seriously such a thing as maximum how many abilities and spells can be on the stack? Today as I was playing ranked, I played Rex with plunder on a Ledros that had 1hp left, with me still holding a Death's Hand as well as a Ravenous Flock with 4 mana. Rex already created 7 abilities on the stack and the guy just played Unspeakeble Horror and Atrocity and the game did not give me prioritiy to react. In my opinion this is such a ridicolous way to lose a ranked game.

How do you guys experience it? 

Do you like sorakench? Do you like dragons and the new landsmarks?

There wasn't much talk lately so i wonder how active everyone is in LoR right now...

For me this expansions was quite disappointing.

The heal package -while having clear counters- is just absurdly powerful against damage oriented decks and is very polarising imo. Some cards like Soraka and Star Spring seem undercosted for their effect and while Tahm Kench is not op in my oppinion, he is just soooo annoying as a concept (4 mana removal engine). In general runeterra went much into a an value-engine-oriented way, causing more grindy games. If we for example take The Howling Abyss Vaults of Helia The Slaughter Docks and Noxkraya Arena we have 4 different landmarks that create very huge value over time, which encourages to play control oriented decks and in general slow gameplans. Decks build in that way feel really boring to play agains although i got to admit that the Vaults of Helia at least enables neat combos that are more interesting than the other 3 landmarks. 

While many players hate it and ask for a rework, I really like the The University of Piltover which really embraces the flavour of experiementation. While it is weird that it is a Jinx support card it actually can lead to weird and hilerious plays and takes more skill to use than people give it credit for (since you got to make up a plan for the random cards gained every turn) also it clearly has decks where it is good in (discard aggro).

About dragons i don't need to repeat my oppinion that i gave already...

But what do you guys think? Is the "new" meta cool? Do you like the games you play and would you change something about the new cards? 

I'm really curious what you have to say :)

Do you like Landmarks?

I don't.

It's not about Powerlevel.

Low_Interactivity-Infinite_Value is not fun because in slower matches one player may not draw theirs and that leads to many NonGames.

I think Landmarks would be more fun if they naturally Crumble in 4 turns. (self-destruct)

Targon's Star Spring Landmark could be changed to:

Round End: Heal damaged allies 1. When I crumble give allies +3/+0.

Bilgewater's The Slaughter Docks could be change to:

Round Start: Toss 1. When I crumble summon a Sea Monster.

just tried a game with Tahm Kench

Quite shocked that instead to strike an enemy before swallowing him, the two fought ... with the result that Tahm Kench died ...

how does he work?

His ability to eat a card every turn for just two mana is ridiculously overpowered. You can't play anything decent or he will just eat it. He should only have the ability to eat cards every turn after he levels up. Not before.

It doesn't matter that he takes damage from it if they have a million health buffing spells now to keep him alive.

For those who don't know what false Flag in reality is: it means that someone pretends to be someone else as he commits something bad (for example starts a conflict with another country in the name of a third country) 

Now what does that (well used political) strategy to do with LoR?

Now: we usually show flag at the start of the game as we show regions and Champions that we use.

There have been some decent championless decks in the past and thought myself: why not going false flag with your deck? 

You pretend to be another deck by putting established Champion combinations into a deck (as a 1 off ofc) and build your deck in an absolute opposite flavour to catch people offguard. 

For example: you pretend to be control as Swain Twisted Fate but play Pirate aggro.

But what about you: have you encountered these decks already, do you like the idea, do you think it is worth it to build and play such decks?

Hello guys, with The Howling Abyss came, i've found my ultimate meme card in Runeterra. Even tho i'm concerning that Runeterra is going in the same way with Hearthstone with upcoming RNG cards like The Howling Abyss -of course-, Celestials, Egghead Researcher etc. I always find fun to play the cards like The Howling Abyss. Anyways; that's not the topic right now.

After playing bunch of games with The Howling Abyss, I thought that it might be fun to share some screenshots here with each other and opened this thread. So;

Let's share our luckiest moments with The Howling Abyss and how we became successful to play ARAM in LoR with the decks you use to experience that moment.

I'm playing this deck right now;

Vladimir feels according to a lot of players too weak the main reason being that his ability makes it easier for the opponent to kill your units.

The damage (lvled up drain) is a nice effect but doesn't make that big of a splash unless you got the entire board filled which can be hard to do.

Maybe a new lvled up effect could be to somewhat counter the major downside is that Vladimir creates a unit with stats equal to the amount of friendly damage friendly units got and survived?

It is in Vlad's lore to craft flesh and transmutate blood.

''Mortals were little more than cattle under the tyranny of the darkin, their supremacy apparent in the sorceries they had conceived—the arts of crafting flesh and transmuting blood, granting them mastery over life itself.''

Just being a 1/6 for 3 is realllly good, just trade into things all day and heal.

Jam toad boy on 4 and aggro is just done for sure.

The only issue is nexus health, I hate that we still have to rely on starshaping, I don't love the card

Just a reminder: the unreleased cards are in the deckbuilder, so you can theorycraft to your heart's content. Or if you want to check out what other people are scheming up, you can either click on the individual cards to see "5 Hot Runeterra Decks with Card X" or go Menu -> Decks -> Contains Card.

A few cool theorycrafts I've noticed:

• Star Spring "Win by healing":

• Vaults of Helia / Anivia combo:

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• Tahm Kench free Detains:  

So the numbers are in for mogwai's new Hiemer list, sitting at about a 51 percent winrate over 1000 games

This puts it below Lee Sin lists, but it might get further optimized down the road or people will get better at playing it.

https://lor.mobalytics.gg/decks/code/CIBQKAYJCMRVIVLAAUAQIEA3EY2DQAIDAQIQEAIBAQTQEAYJC4OACAIBAQYQ

That being said, the old list are still performing the best.

Bilgewater noxious - Swain/TF and pirate aggro

They who endure

Fearsome Aggro

Warmothers Ramp

Shen Fiora

Jinx/Draven

Sejuani Ash

Zed Lee - has broken 55 percent so it's here to stay

Keep in mind that I absolutely love these champs and I don't believe winrates are the be all and end all

But in this instance 42 percent is insanely low

You know when Katarina is winning more than you, you might need a tweak

https://lor.mobalytics.gg/stats/cards?rarity=CHAMPION&sortBy=INCLUSION_RATE&sortOrder=DESC

maybe it's time to bring karma down to 5 again so you can curve into her with lux for double laser

As it stands right now nerfing both her and Ezreal really doesn't give Karma a home anymore

Taric I'm surprised at, he does a lot of things that you want him to, and he shows up in a lot of lists.

I'm willing to just say that's people playing him wrong, but maybe he needs a small numbers tweak.

What do you guys think?

I honestly have no idea were this guy goes, Swim keeps thinking that you run these self damage cards with healing, I don't necessarily agree.

It's not enough to just play something slightly overstated, and heal it back to full.

You actually have to have a way to win the game.

Alternatively, you could try to go for Vlad, every one of these creatures you play that damage themselves means Vlad is going down leveled on 6

But I might be way off with that, maybe healing your followers is good enough on it's own, but I doubt it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtrCdqWw-ec

I’m curious because I’ve run into several games where my opponent have things happen that aren’t supposed to. Getting attack tokens without playing rally on my turn, Capture not capturing a unit without them playing and counter spells or spellshields, etc. I looked through the move list, and I didn’t see anything to give them the abilities they had. Any thoughts? Am I just being paranoid?

Here’s my Viktor Idea:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CustomLoR/comments/j5pezk/viktor_card_set_using_augment_keyword_augment_x/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Bilgewater Card Reveals: 

https://www.reddit.com/r/LegendsOfRuneterra/comments/j5llb3/monuments_of_power_bilgewater_card_reveal_english/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khcqEEHzaBw

I think this is great personally, I'd love to see Ruinterra tackle all these mtg staple mechanics.

Just by having them take a place on the board already makes them far more balanced

Hopefully we don't get any mana cheating like fires of inventions because that killed standard for everyone.

Riot just teased the second part of the set : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSz0IwiqD1E&feature=emb_title

So we are getting 3 new champions with this one who do you think they're gonna be ?

I'm a little lost because there's a lot of stuff to experiment with. The game has a bunch of different modes and there's an exp based progression system that rewards you constantly for just playing the game. I spent this entire afternoon just playing against the A.I. to understand how some of the mechanics work and it was pretty simple to get through the Prologue rewards. The F2P factor is as good as people constantly say. After finishing the tutorial i was really surprised with the fact that all three decks were given to me for free. It seems that i will gain more free stuff in one week of playing Runeterra than the amount of free stuff i got from HS in about three and a half years.

The game has some really cool level up animations for each champion and for some of their spells. It isn't as complicated as i thought it would be but i'm still getting used to the whole blocking thing. HS was the first competitive card game i played so i got used to playing blockers (taunts) during my turn and praying that my opponent has no way of getting through them. It adds another layer of complexity because i need to determine which units to sacrifice, if i should block or just let damage get through to protect valuable units and i need to consider spells as well. The only A.I. opponent i had some trouble with was a Shen/Karma deck that had quite a few barrier spells and lifesteal and that caught me off guard during my attacking phase. Other than that, the A.I. opponents are extremely simple to deal with for someone with previous card game experience but they are still a great source of information before diving into the actual competition. I don't know if the basic free decks are good enough for the PvP experience though.

I still don't know if i will keep playing the game but i'm going to need some weeks playing it to see if it catches my interest permanently. It's pretty hard to play two online games like these simultaneously and i already put a lot of time and money into Hearthstone. What is going to be a big factor is the variety of decks (a good balance between aggro, midrange, combo and control) and predictability of matchs. The excessive RNG in HS pisses me off a lot but it's also the thing that hooked me to the game in the first place since i really like games with random generation (mostly roguelikes/rogue-lites but games like Terraria as well). Is there any other site besides this one that provides good information about decks? Or a good content creator that can provide information and help me learn more about the game?

Everybody knows that Lee Sin is a top tier card along with the new bastion but for whatever reason the decks all have a below 50 percent winrate currently, indicating that A these lists are super hard to pilot or B the lists are not properly optimized.

Either way there are solutions that can fix both of these issues.

The first is tempo Lee/Zed similar to the old stand alone lists, you essentially present a big impossible to remove body that swings for lethal.

https://lor.mobalytics.gg/decks/code/CIBQCAICBEBAEAQBAYDQGCITDMRSSM2WLQBAEAICBQ3QEAYJGBKQEAIBAISQCAYJMA

It runs tools like goat and mentor, and it's a list that was popularized by Swim

Only issue is that it also has a 47 percent winrate due to either being unoptimized or too big brained for the average player

But nobody has explored Lee's control potential, what if instead of being all in on tempo in Targon, a region that's really bad at tempo

We went the opposite direction, we went control. Well what are good control cards in Targon/Ionia

You have Karma or you have Asol.

I think control Lee hasn't really been explored and I'd like everyone to post their ideas down bellow.

Here's one to get started