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Spiders go face

So spider decks/shadow isles decks are definitely getting nerfed right? its such a non-interactive deck to go against. They puke spiders all over the board then buff their attacks and if you try to defend yourself they have cards like "3 mana if 3 followers died summon a 6/6 with fearsome" you literally get punished for defending yourself which restricts the kind of decks that you can play. or they flood the board with Noxian overwhelm followers. It's so boring.

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  • So spider decks/shadow isles decks are definitely getting nerfed right? its such a non-interactive deck to go against. They puke spiders all over the board then buff their attacks and if you try to defend yourself they have cards like "3 mana if 3 followers died summon a 6/6 with fearsome" you literally get punished for defending yourself which restricts the kind of decks that you can play. or they flood the board with Noxian overwhelm followers. It's so boring.

    • Quote From zorlo

      So spider decks/shadow isles decks are definitely getting nerfed right? its such a non-interactive deck to go against. They puke spiders all over the board then buff their attacks and if you try to defend yourself they have cards like "3 mana if 3 followers died summon a 6/6 with fearsome" you literally get punished for defending yourself which restricts the kind of decks that you can play. or they flood the board with Noxian overwhelm followers. It's so boring.

      I would expect Shadow Isles in general to get some type of tune-down next Tuesday as they do seem overly popular, but I doubt spiders specifically will get reworked.  I suspect you're at lower rank, and you're seeing a lot of spider decks because they're easy to build from the free collection.  At higher ranks, spiders are practically nonexistent--they rely more on Hecarim, Mistwraiths, and Raza.  In general: there are other decks which either put on more pressure faster, stabilize easily, or just put out bigger things.

      Here are a few pointers about fighting against spiders:

      • They rely HEAVILY on Elise.  If you suspect you're playing a spider deck, try to mulligan hard for something that can take her out: Get Excited!, Black Spear, challengers, or even just an early 3-attack minion like Academy Prodigy.
      • Against any Noxus deck, you also want to mulligan for at least 1 early blocker--especially for a Round 1 blocker if they're on attack so you don't get punished by a Legion Saboteur or Legion Rearguard.
      • It's often better to leave Hapless Aristocrat unblocked and take 1 damage rather than flip it to a spiderling.
      • Fresh Offerings can turn the game if it summons an early Vilemaw, but it also costs 3 mana.  Spider decks really hate banking mana because they need early-game tempo.  If you see them attack and they have 3 mana left, try to avoid killing more than 2 things.  Conversely, if you're on attack and they have 3+ chump blockers, try either to bait them into spending their mana (i.e.., play your own units, preferably low-cost things so you conserve your own mana) or skip the attack entirely if there's no clear advantage in doing so.
      • Similarly, always expect they have a Black Spear in hand.  Unfortunately this only needs 1 death so it's nearly impossible to prevent, but you can do things like only play champions at the start of your turn so you at least get 1 good attack out of them, or try to keep mana open for a combat trick. 
      • AoEs like Avalanche, Death Lotus, Shadow Flare, Judgment, Reckoning, The Ruination, and Withering Wail wreck spiders.
      • Like all aggro decks, they are trading quick nexus damage now for less long-term impact.  Therefore anything that stalls them--either heals, stuns/recalls/frostbites on their attack round, or gives value a la tough--is bad for them and good for you.  Radiant Guardian is particularly good.
      • When they get low on gas, they'll often play Glimpse Beyond on a chump to draw 2 cards.  It's often worth it to either Deny that or to interrupt with a fast spell that kills the chump first: the latter will cause the spell to fizzle and deny them the draws.

      Good luck!

       

      EDIT: Mobalytics / EG Swim just released their LoR meta report which has Dawnspiders as top-tier and SI/Noxus aggro spiders as just below that, so maybe I understated how prevalent they are at high ranks?  /shrug.  I'm ~mid-rank myself so I'm going off of what I see from streamers and youtuber vids.  I do think the Fearsome / Hecarim deck packs a bigger punch than straight spiders, but that's just personal observation.

  • Do we have a Legends of Runeterra salt thread yet, or is the salt thread for all games?

  • 1. That is not what non-interactive means. Spider decks are the opposite of non-interactive because they block your attacks with chaff, level Elise to get Challenger, then use that to force you to interact with them.

    2. They're not particularly dangerous since they tend to run out of steam pretty hard.

    3. Losing to a deck doesn't mean it needs nerfing.

  • My only problem with spiders is when they throw a prankster in the mix and do unavoidable damage otherwise they've been fairly manageable

    • Quote From MenacingBagel

      My only problem with spiders is when they throw a prankster in the mix and do unavoidable damage otherwise they've been fairly manageable

      and Prankster is kind of debatable at this point because everyone runs challenger or damage spells to kill elusives.