Same here. I had the feeling I was 1 legendary down form what I should have. Luckily they changed their minds and now I have a free legendary to choose from, which is actually way better than getting a random one.
My thinking is along the same lines as Flux’s: They shouldn’t give specific cards to everyone. What does “epic” mean if everyone got it for free? What does a cosmetic on a card mean if you know it’s universal?
I probably go farther than Flux, because I would avoid ANY pre-planned card. All awards from the track and events should be for random cards, or the resources to let the players choose a card. (Dust or a new resource to add cosmetics of your choosing.) They should make several Diamond cards with each set, and when you earn a Diamond card you choose which one you want. And they shouldn’t sell mini-sets directly. Instead, offer a one-time deal that gives you a certain number of legendaries, epics, etc from the latest set in general (with duplicate protection).
If they keep giving out specific cards, they’re going to keep having this problem. And if they think there’s an option other than giving full dust refunds or letting some players feel bad, then they must not understand the system they’ve created.
Edit: I’m curious about why I’m being downvoted? I don’t think I’m saying anything fundamentally different than the other comments here.
It seems to me that the easy solve would be removing them from packs altogether. You could craft them if you wanted (though maybe not the golden version, idk) or obtain them via the quest, but that's it.
I read about this yesterday and there's a part of me that feels that they were gauging at the community's response to this situation, to see how much they can get away with. Its fairly tin-foiled cap stuff, but this is the exact situation with the golden epics in the rewards track beginning from barrens, but because epics are substantially less valuable than legendaries there wasn't any community anger on the subject so it went past everyone's radar and are currently accepted as a 'cosmetic' item even though if you get it without chancing the base card in packs, its still a perfectly usable card on its own. Also, you don't need to be sherlock holmes to deduce this outcome: it was literally trending in reddit from the start of the month.
Best thing would be to bar these cards from appearing in packs at all. Or alternatively just let us dust these golden 'cosmetic' items. So if I get base Drek'Thar from packs (as I did as my first legendary, thank you rng gods) I can hold on to this, with the promise of being able to dust away the golden version if and when I get it off the honor track. That way, there's no loss of value anywhere, and its entirely in my power to decide whether I'd prefer a golden 'cosmetic' or 1600 dust, which would make it fair game to all players, hardcore or casual.
Im eager to see what team5 have cooked up as a solution to this, which means at some point next year we'll probably be revisiting this concept of 'choose your side' again. Or perhaps they were referring to the legendaries received as part of the tavern pass (diamond samuro, etc.) where the base version can be dusted for full value within the first 2 weeks of the expansion.
Anyway, at very least they are doing something on the subject, which is a good thing. So well done.
I expected to see Drek'Thar or Vanndar Stormpike as the first free Legendary card on the Rewards Track. In this case, the golden version could just be a nice cosmetic bonus. I was very surprised that Blizzard gave us Lokholar the Ice Lord instead. This approach brought the most benefits to players who did not find Drek'Thar and Vanndar Stormpike in the packs.
The though was opening a card day 1 and then using it for the expansion, getting a free golden of it towards the end, you still got value out of the card you opened.
Yes it's true. But I will receive significantly less benefit compared to the player who will receive this card for free, even at the end of the expansion. Since I will have to spend more resources to get the complete collection. This is another example of poor reward planning. I'm glad that they are ready to fix the situation, but it seems to me that regular mistakes in the reward system have become a new trend.
I think this is a symptom of the underlying problem that it's really expensive to build a wide collection. Because every legendary matters, people will feel bad when they pull something from a pack that they could have gotten for free later.
I opened Vanndar Stormpike as my first legendary from my packs. Needless to say it was a FeelBadsMan moment as my first thought was these 2 legendries shouldn't have been in the packs to begin with. I guess my assumptions were based on how the Galakrond hero cards and C'thun were gifted to players in the past. Regardless, I'm happy Blizzard rectified the situation and eager to see the new solution Celestalon was talking about.
Sent links via message. Thanks for all your hard work on OOC. I know testing on all/many devices is not feasible.
The screenshots don't really capture that in the time it took me to type this response (maybe 65 seconds), I've had to X out of 4 ads that appear right over my words.
That was not happening last week. May the iterative improvements continue!
I got the Hollow Abomination one yesterday when I used the Battlecry to kill an enemy's Bloodmage Thalnos. No issues on my end for that one.
that is very interesting because I tried it again today and it still didn't work. Maybe it's coded to literally only work on minions with 1 base health? (which is still a bug then for obvious reasons).
I'll try some Silas combo and see if it works (unfortunately I don't own Treachery so it might take a while to get it set up...).
Either way there'S a lot of fuckery going on atm so it's best to figure out all the broken achievements and postpone them until the next patch.
Hmmm I don't think you'll see much Yassao period, I already see people flocking back to bandlewood infinite cycle decks because they are easy to play and have no loose condition.
Now aggro and combo decks punish those lists its why they sit at like a 50% on mobalytics but pity I don't play those decks at all.
It pains me to see that people play yasuo kennen with bandle city as the second region.
Bandle city doesn't support yasuo a lot: you get Cloud StanceLightning Rush and Quicken but is that good enough to justify bandle? Apparently it's not given the deck win's only 40% of games.
Meanwhile if you go targon, get access to nexus heal, Shield Vault (which also buffs yasuo's damage) Hush (which can't be wrong against ezreal kennen) Iula (which makes Fae Bladetwirler actually dangerous) and Solari Sunhawk you will do better for sure.
I didn't find a matchup unwinable with the targon variant and I am confident it is actually decent
Thank you for Shadowburst Priest decklist, I wanted to try something similar lately! Not sure how it stands in current meta, but I wanted to play it anyway :)
I'm going to need to see some screenshots of what you're seeing so I can better understand what you're talking about as far as the sizing goes. We did indeed change video ad providers to an in-house solution from our ad network as a test case so there are still some things being ironed out.
Before I make a report though, I do need to see some screenshots to get a better idea of your experience and I need you to confirm that everything mentioned in your post is happening now and not something that happened yesterday as the unit is being rapidly iterated on as issues pop up.
The one with Hollow abomination similarly doesn't work.
Did you try it as both an honorable kill off the battlecry and an honorable kill as an attack? Seems like maybe that could make a difference.
Tried both because I had the same suspicion but still nothing. Also doesn't seem to be tied to what kind of legendary it is. Standard, Wild, Legacy, doesn't make a difference.
The only positive thing I can say is that as long as you have broom and a bunch of damage dealing spells it's one of the most trivial achievements to complete since almost every deck in the meta runs at least one medium sized legendary.
Hi team, did something about your video ads change this week? I know this is an important part of site revenue, but it's suddenly covering almost a third of the screen, and the X isn't always reachable.
As of last week, my Android device showed one footer video per URL, now I have to close the thing up to 9 times per article!
And I also understand the inclination to recommend a premium subscription, but at this particular moment that feels like rewarding user-unfriendly behavior.
Actually how does this interaction work? Because deathrattles trigger according to sequence of cards played first, so your first korrak will trigger after dying, but it wouldn't save you from the other 6-14 owl deathrattles. Does korrak immediately come back as each owl deathrattles kill him? So if you're lucky, you can theoretically not take a single hit from them at all?
Unless you have a board full of korraks. That's an entirely different thing altogether.
Legend Freeze Galakrond Shaman
Shaman is my favorite class so I am so happy about this archetype being viable now.
Celestalon Shares the Hearthstone Team's Thoughts on Drek'Thar and Vanndar Stormpike as Free Golden Card Rewards
Same here. I had the feeling I was 1 legendary down form what I should have. Luckily they changed their minds and now I have a free legendary to choose from, which is actually way better than getting a random one.
Celestalon Shares the Hearthstone Team's Thoughts on Drek'Thar and Vanndar Stormpike as Free Golden Card Rewards
My thinking is along the same lines as Flux’s: They shouldn’t give specific cards to everyone. What does “epic” mean if everyone got it for free? What does a cosmetic on a card mean if you know it’s universal?
I probably go farther than Flux, because I would avoid ANY pre-planned card. All awards from the track and events should be for random cards, or the resources to let the players choose a card. (Dust or a new resource to add cosmetics of your choosing.) They should make several Diamond cards with each set, and when you earn a Diamond card you choose which one you want. And they shouldn’t sell mini-sets directly. Instead, offer a one-time deal that gives you a certain number of legendaries, epics, etc from the latest set in general (with duplicate protection).
If they keep giving out specific cards, they’re going to keep having this problem. And if they think there’s an option other than giving full dust refunds or letting some players feel bad, then they must not understand the system they’ve created.
Edit: I’m curious about why I’m being downvoted? I don’t think I’m saying anything fundamentally different than the other comments here.
Celestalon Shares the Hearthstone Team's Thoughts on Drek'Thar and Vanndar Stormpike as Free Golden Card Rewards
It seems to me that the easy solve would be removing them from packs altogether. You could craft them if you wanted (though maybe not the golden version, idk) or obtain them via the quest, but that's it.
Celestalon Shares the Hearthstone Team's Thoughts on Drek'Thar and Vanndar Stormpike as Free Golden Card Rewards
I read about this yesterday and there's a part of me that feels that they were gauging at the community's response to this situation, to see how much they can get away with. Its fairly tin-foiled cap stuff, but this is the exact situation with the golden epics in the rewards track beginning from barrens, but because epics are substantially less valuable than legendaries there wasn't any community anger on the subject so it went past everyone's radar and are currently accepted as a 'cosmetic' item even though if you get it without chancing the base card in packs, its still a perfectly usable card on its own. Also, you don't need to be sherlock holmes to deduce this outcome: it was literally trending in reddit from the start of the month.
Best thing would be to bar these cards from appearing in packs at all. Or alternatively just let us dust these golden 'cosmetic' items. So if I get base Drek'Thar from packs (as I did as my first legendary, thank you rng gods) I can hold on to this, with the promise of being able to dust away the golden version if and when I get it off the honor track. That way, there's no loss of value anywhere, and its entirely in my power to decide whether I'd prefer a golden 'cosmetic' or 1600 dust, which would make it fair game to all players, hardcore or casual.
Im eager to see what team5 have cooked up as a solution to this, which means at some point next year we'll probably be revisiting this concept of 'choose your side' again. Or perhaps they were referring to the legendaries received as part of the tavern pass (diamond samuro, etc.) where the base version can be dusted for full value within the first 2 weeks of the expansion.
Anyway, at very least they are doing something on the subject, which is a good thing. So well done.
Celestalon Shares the Hearthstone Team's Thoughts on Drek'Thar and Vanndar Stormpike as Free Golden Card Rewards
I appreciate the openness of Celestalon.
But I feel like he's admitting that they're kind of out-of-touch with what players want.
Celestalon Shares the Hearthstone Team's Thoughts on Drek'Thar and Vanndar Stormpike as Free Golden Card Rewards
I expected to see Drek'Thar or Vanndar Stormpike as the first free Legendary card on the Rewards Track. In this case, the golden version could just be a nice cosmetic bonus. I was very surprised that Blizzard gave us Lokholar the Ice Lord instead. This approach brought the most benefits to players who did not find Drek'Thar and Vanndar Stormpike in the packs.
Yes it's true. But I will receive significantly less benefit compared to the player who will receive this card for free, even at the end of the expansion. Since I will have to spend more resources to get the complete collection. This is another example of poor reward planning. I'm glad that they are ready to fix the situation, but it seems to me that regular mistakes in the reward system have become a new trend.
Celestalon Shares the Hearthstone Team's Thoughts on Drek'Thar and Vanndar Stormpike as Free Golden Card Rewards
I think this is a symptom of the underlying problem that it's really expensive to build a wide collection. Because every legendary matters, people will feel bad when they pull something from a pack that they could have gotten for free later.
Darkseeker's channel - 13th November update: KOtsosKOtsos' Reno Evolve Shudderwock Shaman - ft. Archivist Elysiana
11th December update: EnDjinn's Freeze Shudderwock Shaman: A GREAT start to Alterac Valley expansion!
Freeze Shudderwock Shaman. Such a beautiful deck! A wonderful start to the Alterac Valley expansion.
Deck code: AAEBAaoIDPoOi84C7/cCy4UDtZgD+rADnM4Di9UD/OgDqO4DhvoDw5EECd/EArmYA+PuA9OABJiOBLmRBJWSBNySBIufBAA=
https://youtu.be/p2-gbcWjkJE
Celestalon Shares the Hearthstone Team's Thoughts on Drek'Thar and Vanndar Stormpike as Free Golden Card Rewards
I opened Vanndar Stormpike as my first legendary from my packs. Needless to say it was a FeelBadsMan moment as my first thought was these 2 legendries shouldn't have been in the packs to begin with. I guess my assumptions were based on how the Galakrond hero cards and C'thun were gifted to players in the past. Regardless, I'm happy Blizzard rectified the situation and eager to see the new solution Celestalon was talking about.
Recent change to video ads?
Sent links via message. Thanks for all your hard work on OOC. I know testing on all/many devices is not feasible.
The screenshots don't really capture that in the time it took me to type this response (maybe 65 seconds), I've had to X out of 4 ads that appear right over my words.
That was not happening last week. May the iterative improvements continue!
Alterac Valley Achievements
that is very interesting because I tried it again today and it still didn't work. Maybe it's coded to literally only work on minions with 1 base health? (which is still a bug then for obvious reasons).
I'll try some Silas combo and see if it works (unfortunately I don't own Treachery so it might take a while to get it set up...).
Either way there'S a lot of fuckery going on atm so it's best to figure out all the broken achievements and postpone them until the next patch.
New Meta Overview Bandlewood Part 2
Hmmm I don't think you'll see much Yassao period, I already see people flocking back to bandlewood infinite cycle decks because they are easy to play and have no loose condition.
Now aggro and combo decks punish those lists its why they sit at like a 50% on mobalytics but pity I don't play those decks at all.
Alterac Valley Achievements
I got the Hollow Abomination one yesterday when I used the Battlecry to kill an enemy's Bloodmage Thalnos. No issues on my end for that one.
Recent change to video ads?
You can upload screenshots to Imgur or another image sharing service and put links here. You may DM their links to me instead as well.
New Meta Overview Bandlewood Part 2
It pains me to see that people play yasuo kennen with bandle city as the second region.
Bandle city doesn't support yasuo a lot: you get Cloud Stance Lightning Rush and Quicken but is that good enough to justify bandle? Apparently it's not given the deck win's only 40% of games.
Meanwhile if you go targon, get access to nexus heal, Shield Vault (which also buffs yasuo's damage) Hush (which can't be wrong against ezreal kennen) Iula (which makes Fae Bladetwirler actually dangerous) and Solari Sunhawk you will do better for sure.
I didn't find a matchup unwinable with the targon variant and I am confident it is actually decent
Recent change to video ads?
I snagged some screenshots... Do I post them here? How? (All I see is a way to add an href)
DM you a OneDrive link?
Jandice Barov Earns the Diamond Treatment - Collect All 25 Scholomance Academy Legendaries to Obtain
I hope you got there in the end! My dust reserves still can't handle gathering all these legendaries.
Legend Freeze Galakrond Shaman
Great deck, and super thorough guide!
I didn't have [Hearthstone Card (Bearon Gla-shear) Not Found] so I added in a Snowball Fight!.
Word to the wise: Bolner Hammerbeak into Snowfall Guardian will end up freezing everyone (Guardian freezes Bolner, then Bolner freezes Guardian).
Full Dust Refunds for Vanndar and Drek'Thar are Coming! Hearthstone Alterac Valley Hotfixes for December 10, 2021
Can I craft Drek'Thar and then disenchant it right before I finish the quest? I feel like going insane while farming Honor points.
Kneel to the Ice Queen - A Full Guide to Legend Freeze Shaman on the Wildest of Wednesdays
Thank you for Shadowburst Priest decklist, I wanted to try something similar lately! Not sure how it stands in current meta, but I wanted to play it anyway :)
Recent change to video ads?
Hey DragonDraena,
I'm going to need to see some screenshots of what you're seeing so I can better understand what you're talking about as far as the sizing goes. We did indeed change video ad providers to an in-house solution from our ad network as a test case so there are still some things being ironed out.
Before I make a report though, I do need to see some screenshots to get a better idea of your experience and I need you to confirm that everything mentioned in your post is happening now and not something that happened yesterday as the unit is being rapidly iterated on as issues pop up.
Thanks!
Alterac Valley Achievements
Tried both because I had the same suspicion but still nothing. Also doesn't seem to be tied to what kind of legendary it is. Standard, Wild, Legacy, doesn't make a difference.
The only positive thing I can say is that as long as you have broom and a bunch of damage dealing spells it's one of the most trivial achievements to complete since almost every deck in the meta runs at least one medium sized legendary.
Recent change to video ads?
Hi team, did something about your video ads change this week? I know this is an important part of site revenue, but it's suddenly covering almost a third of the screen, and the X isn't always reachable.
As of last week, my Android device showed one footer video per URL, now I have to close the thing up to 9 times per article!
And I also understand the inclination to recommend a premium subscription, but at this particular moment that feels like rewarding user-unfriendly behavior.
The Early Top Overall Cards in Alterac Valley Showcase That Warlock is Remarkably Popular
Actually how does this interaction work? Because deathrattles trigger according to sequence of cards played first, so your first korrak will trigger after dying, but it wouldn't save you from the other 6-14 owl deathrattles. Does korrak immediately come back as each owl deathrattles kill him? So if you're lucky, you can theoretically not take a single hit from them at all?
Unless you have a board full of korraks. That's an entirely different thing altogether.