bocageaa | 5 years, 9 months ago |

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Nightfall Bilgewater

Was trying to create a nightfall deck that used the warning shots and rex from bilgewater, and came up with this, what do you guys think? [runedeck]3730[/runedeck]  

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JackJimson | 5 years, 9 months ago

Is there a way to filter Recent Threads by Game?

Hi,  Is there a way to filter Recent Threads by Game? For example, for me, I only play hearthstone, but when I click recent threads, I see all the threads from the other games like Runeterra.

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DoubleSummon | 5 years, 9 months ago |

Arena

I commented on the latest news but I think this is worth the discussion.. I think arena has no real fun reason to play it, most of this OP will be a copy paste from that comment on the news article: …

I commented on the latest news but I think this is worth the discussion.. I think arena has no real fun reason to play it, most of this OP will be a copy paste from that comment on the news article: but I reformatted parts of it to be more readable.

https://outof.cards/hearthstone/1792-the-arena-will-keep-separate-rewards-from-hearthstones-battle-pass

What is wrong in arena? (At least for me)

I don't like that the runs take a lot of time and you needs an insane win rate to actually profit from arena, I don't feel like sitting through 12 wins only to get trice the entry fee.. the arena feels unrewarding for the time poured into them.. I didn't play arena for over 2 years and I used to play more when I didn't had many resources it's feels like a chore..

I do enjoy the gameplay but it feels like such a big time and gold commitment to play.. I just hate playing it and losing too fast or make risky picks.

The reward system is the same since beta... SERIOUSLY.

Suggested estimated rewards that would feel better:

lower the entry fee, lower the max wins, increase the reward threshold.

Show Spoiler

entry fee:50 gold, win caps at 10 instead of 12.

0 wins you get 40 gold (so you can't reroll indefinitely)

1 win you get 70 gold worth of dust/cards/gold,

2 wins you get a pack and 20 gold worth of stuff. (the first pack is from the latest expansion)

3 wins you get a pack and 50 gold worth of stuff (3 wins is the new 7 wins, you have over 50% win rate at this point!)

4 wins you get a pack and 75 gold worth of stuff.

5 wins it's 2 packs and 20 gold worth of stuff. (the second pack can be anything even a yearly pack!)

6 wins you get 2 packs and 70 gold worth of stuff.

7 wins it's 3 packs the third is also random + a chance of a cosmetic.

8 wins you get 3 packs + a guaranteed golden rare + random reward worth 20 gold + a chance of a cosmetic.

9 wins you get 3 packs + a guaranteed golden rare + random reward worth 80 gold + chance of an epic + a chance of a cosmetic.

10 wins you get 3 packs + a guaranteed golden epic + random reward worth 100 gold + 50 gold + a chance of a cosmetic.

I just threw numbers and rewards but something that will be exciting to earn and not just.. "value" it feels bad to play arena and get some value we want to get special rewards or get guaranteed rewards on good runs.. arena feels BAD to win at and feels bad to get less than 7 wins you get less than the fee.. and need insane win rates. About the cosmetics: it's not a hero skin (maybe as a rare 10 wins drop) but it's something to grind for like some alternate card art or some old card backs.. give players a good reason to play more arena the mode is fun the entry fee is discouraging and so are the rewards.

More improvements suggestions:

1.Would also enjoyed the mixture of the expansions in arena but it wasn't conveyed correctly had no idea what to play or not around there was no way in game to tell which expansions were available.. for that a new feature needs to be implemented which is a peek into the available pool just open a collection manager which shows you the expansion available and what cards are legit or not, from the draft screen no need to do in game.

2. Arena tickets as rewards from quests + exp since they are 40 gold quest for none arena players this way. people who don't want to play arena can start and exit just to get the 40 gold, it will intensify players to try arena more and experiment more.

I hope I formatted this post correctly so it's easy in the eyes.

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FLENTERCK | 5 years, 9 months ago |

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Jugadores de LATAM

Hola al que este leyendo esto, abro foro para saber si existe algun server para jugadores de LOR de latam o si alguien le interesa la formacion de uno, seria asombroso el poder conversar del meta con…

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Arthas | 5 years, 9 months ago |

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New Targon Spell - Messenger's Sigil

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Fluxflashor | 5 years, 9 months ago |

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Out of Cards Changelog - 2020-08-24

Since we've pushed out a few updates since this was last updated, I'm going to include some additional changes just so everyone is aware of them. New Features Hearthstone Card pages now suppor…

Since we've pushed out a few updates since this was last updated, I'm going to include some additional changes just so everyone is aware of them.

New Features

Hearthstone

Card pages now support full art.
- It is going to take some time to get all of Hearthstone's full art into our database, but it will come with time.
- We can also create and showcase wallpapers on card pages!

Runeterra

The collection manager has arrived! See our dedicated announcement post.

Changes

Hearthstone

You can now filter by Artist on the card listing.
Card pages now display their artist when we have full art available.
- If we have a link to the Artist's website, we've included it here.

Runeterra

Deck listing now defaults to the hottest decks on the site.
- This should have been changed a very, very long time ago. Apologies!
Deck widgets in news articles and on the portal now display their Shards cost.
Ruenterra Expansions page overhauled to use images like our Hearthstone one.

General

Added a link to our Merch store on the navigation.
Avatars now get resized to a maximum of 180px by 180px.
- If your avatar isn't a square, it's going to be forced into being one.
- Unfortunately, we no longer support animated gif avatars because of this. They may make a return in the future.
Listings on the site now tell you how many results were returned.
- Admittedly, this needs to look a little bit better since its very plain, but its functional!
Made an update to our RSS feeds to assist readers in finding our thumbnail images.

Bug Fixes

Hearthstone

Fixed an issue with collection calculations displaying too many missing stars on deck pages.
Removed note about how the collection manager can't be automated and replaced it with a link to the HDT plugin.
Fixed a missing Hearthstone breadcrumb on Tavern Brawl pages.
Fixed collections not correctly syncing. (This has been fixed for over 2 weeks)

General

Fixed an issue where some users were getting Premium access without paying for it.
Polls no longer generate client-side errors if you are not logged in.
Achievement triggers no longer generate client-side errors if you are not logged in.

Regrets

Runeterra

We didn't get out voting and discussion site rewards for the Call of the Mountain reveal season.
- There was a bit too much going on to get this out. Our site migration took much longer than originally expected which pushed this back until the point it no longer really matters.
- Thanks to everyone who is participating anyway!

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Orinoco | 5 years, 9 months ago |

Discussion

Valeera the Hollow - Secret Passage

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Cocoduf | 5 years, 9 months ago |

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Buffs Suggestion

I'm suggesting the following changes to a few cards from this year, for classes that in my opinion could use a little help. The aim of these buffs is to at least provide those classes with stronger …

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Cheese | 5 years, 8 months ago |

Fan Creations

Cheese's custom revamp of the HUNTER core sets!

HUNTER CORE SET REVAMP Introduction Neoguli's post kickstarted me to finish my own After Priest and Shaman, it is Hunter's turn to have its core sets revised. I have all classes ready. Howev…

HUNTER CORE SET REVAMP

WoW Class emblem

Introduction

Neoguli's post kickstarted me to finish my own

After Priest and Shaman, it is Hunter's turn to have its core sets revised. I have all classes ready. However, neoguli already dealt with Warlock, Druid, Rogue, Warrior, and Paladin. For the moment, I will focus on classes that weren't modified yet.

In terms of core set quality, Hunter is above average, although its sets aren't as good as Mage's or Rogue's. The main issue with Hunter's current set is its one-dimensionality. Up to 2017, Hunter was a one-dimensional class with an extremely linear gameplay. It had only one viable archetype (at best), oscillating between face and midrange.

After 2017, internal diversity increased: Egg, Cube, No-minion, Big, etc... Deathstalker Rexxar enabled late-game-oriented Hunter archetypes. Big Beast synergies enabled non-linear playstyles. One major constraint, as Blizz themselves noticed, is Hunter's lack of card draw. Lack of card draw intrinsically limits a class' design space. However Blizz developed workarounds such as card generation (Rhok'delar)or costly but powerful tutoring ([Hearthstone Card (Scavenger Ingenuity) Not Found], Ursatron) as opposed to general card draw, or "Recruit" mechanics.

Directions

General directions I follow for the core sets

Blizzard's official post on class identity is weird. It mixes class mechanics with strengths and weaknesses so most of the stuff doesn't make sense. The way I proceeded is completely different. I started by listing what should be the primary and secondary mechanics of the class, the strengths and weaknesses of the class as well as the archetypes available to it should follow from this list.

I say "core sets" a lot, but the Basic and Classic set are NOT interchangeable in their functions.

The Basic set is the spine of the class. It ensures the class' viability and establishes its primary mechanics.

Must be simple. Most cards must have 2 lines of text or less. Only simple keywords.
Versatile to support multiple playstyles
Minimal kit of everything a class needs to be viable (card draw; removal; direct damage; good standalone minions;...) even if not part of identity
Fine if slightly more OP than what you would expect from expansions

The Classic set is the limbs of the class. It ensures the class' internal diversity and estables its secondary mechanics.

Presents the more "complex" mechanics of the game (Deathrattle, etc...)
Because Classic packs are bought, there should be a sense of progression
Unlike the Basic set, Classic cards should be slightly below average to let room for expansions

About tribal synergies, each minion type has its own identity

Beasts

All size of minions
Good standalone value
Buff each other a lot
Each type of Beast has its subtheme (Bears=Taunt; Boars=Rush; Cats=Stealth; Wolves=buff other beasts; etc...)
Most common type of minions, as such their identity is less precise

Demons (Warlock & DH)

All size of minions
Powerful but with a drawback (taking damage; discard; ...)

Dragons

Medium to big minions
"If you're holding a Dragon"
Hand synergy
Lots of legendaries
4/12 statline as a signature

Elementals

All size of minions
"If you played an Elemental last turn"
Value generation
Battlecries

Mechs

Mechs were the focus of only 2 expansions (GvG and Boomsday) but they're otherwise a rare tribe and have no central identity!

Murlocs

Small minions
Board-wide buffs for other Murlocs
Relies on early-game snowballing. If allowed to stay on the board, they become nearly unstoppable

Pirates

Small to medium minions
Weapon synergy
Lots of direct damage

Totems (Shaman)

Small minions
0 attack with some exceptions
Powerful ongoing effects (aura/end of turn/whenever)

Tribal synergies are part of a class primary identity in only 3 cases

Beasts for Hunter
Totems for Shaman
Demons for Walocks and DHs

All other class-tribe associations are mostly a matter of coincidence as these tribes happen to fit in the class identity (eg pirates for Warrior/Rogue)

About which keywords I chose to keep in the core sets

Charge vs Rush - As you know, Charge is a dangerous keyword. This is why Rush was introduced...however there are a few cards that were meant to be finishers that wouldn't make sense without Rush. I will replace Charge with Rush on all core cards with Charge (and tweak stats accordingly) EXCEPT when Charge is on a legendary minion. There are 4 legendary minions with Charge in the classic set and they will keep Charge

Discover - Disover offers a choice between cards that are in standard. Due to how easy Discover can become skewed when the right cards are printed, there will be no Discover cards in my core sets.
Poisonous - There were originally no Poisonous cards in the Basic set before the introduction of [Hearthstone Card (Master Poisoner) Not Found]. I will therefore also have poisonous cards in my basic set
Lifesteal - There are currently no Lifesteal cards in the core sets. However the keyword is simple and I will therefore introduce some.

Hunter class identity

I tried not to steer away too much from what Blizzard defined for the class, although there are definitely some directions I disagree with and went against. I will signal it when it is the case.

PRIMARY MECHANICS

BEASTS (big and small): All classes have tribal synergies, but only in Hunter is this particular tribal synergy so central.
SMORC : Face is the place.
DEATHRATTLES : Through cards that trigger them.

SECONDARY MECHANICS

SECRETS - Hunter is a class with Secrets. Unlike Mage secrets (which are defensive) and Paladin secrets (which are situational), Hunter secrets are tempo-focused in nature, and helps you keep the lead on the board.
SUMMONING SPELLS : Hunter has a lot of them. This is what allows the class to have minionless archetypes.
TUTORING - Hunter has few "undiscriminated" card draw but has a lot of cards to tutor exactly the cards they need.
HANDBUFF - Alongside other "Grimy Goon" classes, Hunter has lots of handbuff. Hunter's handbuff tends to be focused on
PARTIAL REMOVALS - Hunter AOE removals tend to be very partial and position-hased. See Powershot.

Hunter is GOOD at

Direct damage : Through spells, charge minions, weapons, and of course Steady Shot. Face is the place.
Horizontal pressure : Mostly through summoning spells.
Vertical pressure : Big Beasts and ways to cheat and buff them.

Hunter is AVERAGE at

Tempo
Single-target removals
Board clears

Hunter is BAD at

Card draw : This is what keep the class in check. However, tutor cards (as opposed to generic card draw) is common.
Multi-target removals : Hunter has a few small and situational board clears ("shots"), but no big one.
Value generation (barring the anomalous data point that is Deathstalker Rexxar).

The new core sets

Hunter new Basic set

Timber Wolf Arcane Shot Deadly Shot Reload

Animal Companion Kill Command Multi-shot Houndmaster

Tundra Rhino Cobra Shot

Hunter new Classic set

COMMONS

Webspinner Explosive Trap Pressure Plate

Snipe Scavenging Hyena Unleash the Hounds

RARES

Venomstrike Trap Eaglehorn Bow Terrorscale Stalker

Infested Wolf Bursting Shot

EPICS

Snake Trap Abominable Bowman Call of the Wild

LEGENDARY

King Krush

Justifications

Basic

Timber Wolf (unchanged)
Arcane Shot (unchanged)
Deadly Shot (move to Classic from Basic) - The effect feels like a basic effect. It needs to be here.
Reload (custom) - Every class needs card draw to be viable. This doesn't mesh well with the "no card draw" identity of Blizzard. However, Reload strikes a compromise between the necessity of card draw and Hunter's class identity. By limiting the number of cards in your hand, Reload is effective without allowing Hunter to hoard cards like some other classes do.
Animal Companion (artwork changed; effect made more explicit) - The card is functionnaly unchanged, it still always summon Huffer, but a basic card like this needs to give new players and idea of what a "Beast companion" is. (Same reason why I don't like Shaman's HP btw).
Kill Command (artwork changed) - Like AC, I find this artwork much better. The current one is...weird. Especially since it pictures a bird but the animation clearly shows teeth.
Multi-Shot (damage increased by 1) - This will hopefully make it more polyvalent. At 4 damage, Multishot can clear a lot more stuff than before without being OP (I think).
Houndmaster (unchanged)
Tundra Rhino (cost reduced to 4; gives Rush instead of Charge) - Honestly, it's a miracle that this card has been dodging nerfs and HoFing since the inception of the game given the broken combos it allows and the design space it screws up. In line with my policy of removing Charge from non-legendary cards, Thunda Rhino now only gives your beasts Rush. I also reduced its cost to (4) because it loses combo potential
Cobra Shot (from GVG 2014; cost reduced to 4) - The original 5-mana Cobra Shot was printed at a time when HS games were very linera and Face Hunter tyrannized the meta. Devs probably thought it wasn't a good idea to give FH further face damage hence the 5-mana cost. Today, however, the game is much more "non-linear" and FH has been matched in degeneracy by another kind of Hunter (that hunts Demons). It can now cost 4 and be balanced. Also put into the basic set because it's a basic effet.

Classic

Webspinner (from NAXX OUT 2014) - I strongly hesitated to put this into the Classic set due to how obiquitous it was back in the day. I still put it back because the effect really feels very "core" and the Hunter class has more internal diversity than it had in 2014 so it might not be as ubiquitous nowadays.
Explosive Trap (unchanged)
Pressure Plate (from SOO 2019) - So that Hunter has Secret to counter spell-centric decks.
Snipe (unchanged)
Scavenging Hyena (nerfed to +1/+1) - Hyena's snowball potential is waaay too good for this effect to remain core. It has been in every aggro/midrange archetypes of Hunter since the game's inception.
Unleash the Hounds (nerfed from Charge to Rush) - Follows my policy of cutting Charge of all non-legendary core cards.
[Hearthstone Card (Venomous Trap) Not Found] (from KFT 2017) - Replaces other secrets I feel weren't basic enough or too weird.
Eaglehorn Bow (stats swapped, art changed, "after" for more clarity) - At 3 attack for 3 mana, this weapon is way too good. It's also a powercreep to Fiery War Axe. At 2/3, it is still playable and of acceptable power level. Again art changed as well.
Terrorscale Stalker (from UNG 2017) - Deathrattles, and in particular DR triggers, have been establised as a Hunter archetype. Terrorscale is less risky than either Play Dead or Feign Death because of its high mana cost.
Infested Wolf (from WOTOG 2016) - Replaces Savannah Highmane. A decent, simple, and balanced Deathrattle Beast.
Bursting Shot (custom) - Replaces Explosive Shot which sucks. I wanted to give Hunter some form of board control for late-game oriented decks, while keeping the flavor of Shots only touching certain minions.
Snake Trap (unchanged)
Abominable Bowman (from KFT 2017) - Although the card has never seen competitive play, it is a very good building brick for cool but non-degenerate Big Beast decks
Call of the Wild (from WOTOG 2016; re-nerfed to 9 mana) - Honestly CotW is such an obvious and basic effect that it can't possibly NOT be in the core set. CotW originally costed 8. It was nerfed to 9 mana because HS games were fair back in the day. They they rebuffed it to 8 mana because powercreep. However, Classic cards needs to be fair, which is why I'm reversing the cost AGAIN.
King Krush (unchanged)

Hall of Fame

Tracking - Waaay too complicated for a basic card. Also goes against the rule of "no Discover in the core sets" (though it's not strictly a Discover).
Starving Buzzard - Unplayable since it was nerfed, unbalanceable effect because remember: Hunter card draw bad.
Hunter's Mark - This is a Paladin effect, not a Hunter effect.
Misdirection - Too random and situtational to be core.
Freezing Trap - The effect (1) is too OP (2) is weird for a card with "freezing" in its name (3) doesn't fit hunter (4) is frustrating when it affects a 9+cost minion.
Flare - Tech cards should be neutral.
Savannah Highmane - Broken. Replaced by Infested Wolf.
Explosive Shot - Straight up bad. Replaced by Volley.
Bestial Wrath - Sucks + doesn't bring anything to the class.
[Hearthstone Card (Gladiator Longbow) Not Found] - Sucks + doesn't bring anything to the class.

Shortlisted cards

Shorlisted cards

The following cards almost made it into my core sets, but didn't because there were no room left for them.

Hunter's Pack (from SOU 2019) - A flavorful and effective way to reload your hand. Scrapped for card draw instead.
Scarlet Webweaver (from SOU 2019) - Interesting for Big Hunter archetypes, but ultimately too dangerous.
Goblin Prank (from TBP 2018) - Interesting effect for Hunter, but it doesn't really fit the class.
Dire Frenzy (from Witchwood 2019) - Late-game potential for Hunter, would be too annoying in a core set. More than 10 Huffers per game is not healthy.
Piranha Launcher (from MSG 2016) - Nice effect, but I didn't have room for more weapons.
Powershot (from TGT 2015) - Almost replaced [Hearthstone Card (Multishot) Not Found] but it just felt too weak.
Quick Shot (from BRM 2015) - Too OP. Cobra Shot is more interesting and flavorful.

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