Played about 10 games today and almost all of them were against SI/ Demacia decks. That deck is basically braindead. All of the units are fearsome, so you can't low block them, and the game is basically over when Hecarim comes out. You always burn all your resources and then he just comes back next round with full mana and a rally.
SI spells give them every tool they'd ever need Frenzied Scitterer needs a nerf, Arachnoid horror needs to be 3 mana, wraithcaller needs to be 5 mana, glympse needs to be 3 mana. The whole board gets swarmed because the deck is so fast and cheap
I made the deck myself and it honestly doesn't even feel fair for my opponents. You can run elusive down so hard that it's sad.
Nerf Rekindler into just a play effect or make it a 8 mana card. It's beyond stupid to see someone get three hecarims. Shadow riders need to be 2/1. Overwhelm needs to be removed. Either all of those or he needs to be an 8 or 9 mana card.
I'm honestly not a fan of any part of the current reward system, and I'm actually thrilled to see the cracks are showing. I mean, their heart is in the right place by not selling randomized packs, but it still needs a lot of work.
If they believe their own statement about making every card playable
While this game is much more generous than Hearthstone, it's still a gacha system at its core. Eventually your rewards are going to max out and you won't have any choice other than your weekly vault, which is basically nothing, even at three diamonds. When more sets come out, you will have to spend money to keep up.
It's obviously not the same balance team as League, but that's all we have to go off for now. They said that exact thing, word for word, about League, and that's the furthest thing from the truth possible.
I wonder if Riot is going to reset the rewards when the game officially launches, after the first season, next year, or if at all. My guess is not at all
Yasuo is a weak champion. Hilariously enough, the reason the deck does decent is everyone wastes their removal on Yasuo and the beat down units overwhelm the opponent. I know reddit loves vlad and yasuo right now, but they're just not strong.
The fastest way to climb is to run elusive or fearsome decks. Both are still ridiculously strong and it's nearly impossible to brick on your opening hand with them. Shadow Isles/Ionia is the most broken deck now. You have complete control, lost cost spells, and an answer for everything
The algorithm is a double edge sword. If rather it cost my starting hand than lose a game because my hand bricks
This game has an obvious bug, where you sometimes get the same cards you got rid of because the algo thinks its the best option. I hate when I mulligan my entire hand and get two of the same cards back. It happens pretty frequently.
Enlightened is overall a very weak keyword. There's very little value right now for building a deck around it. Even with Karma, it's still very gimmicky and tends to brick a lot against unit swarming.
Maybe if it granted +6/+6. Enlightened should be a type that gives you a crazy powerful ability late game, but forces you to choose between sacrificing units and spells before you get to that point.
I think one of the problems is that they're too liberal with the "Burst" title. Stun and frostbite would be a little less annoying if they were just fast.
I literally just played a mirror Ez game and we both passed our first three turns because no one wanted to play a unit, because you just start leveling up the other player's Ez and it's not like you can attack anyway, because you're just going to get hit with brittle steel or get excited
I"m also seeing all these Heimer decks are that ~75% spells. You should be getting punished way more often for running this kind of style, but there's so much control in the 1-3 mana spells that you can easily control the board without any units.
You're absolutely correct, but having archetypes like fearsome being so dominate discourages the majority of people from experimenting. I think we might actually see Noxus open up a little bit when Ionia and SI get toned down.
I agree it's overtuned and needs a nerf, but it's the only thing keeping this game from being 100% shadow isles right now. Deny can go to 4 or 5 mana, but the game is ruined if other spells don't get nerfed with it. Deny is the dental floss holding the game together right now.
Deny is the only reason you're not seeing 100% SI decks. Elusives are too strong, but nothing else would be able to deal with the removal spells in this game if Deny didn't exist. This game has an overall problem with how cheap complete removal is. When you lose games, you often feel like you were helpless and not outplayed. Deny is part of that problem, but it's actually hiding how bad the problem really is.
-Deny is fine with the current state of the game. It' the only thing that stops a lot of the current cancer in Frejlord and P&Z. If other spells in the game get hit with nerfs, then it would be fine to up the mana cost on Deny.
-The frostbite spells needs to be turned into fast instead of burst and/or have their mana costs increased. Ezrael decks are even less interactive than elusives. You can't do anything while they stall the game.
-Elusives needs some tuning. I think they would be fine if they just all lost HP. Just making them more fragile will reinforce the archetype.
-Lots of SI units and spells need nerfs too. Their removal spells are way too cost efficient and give too much utility. I would prefer if they nerfed fearsome before nerfing the spells though. I think the combination of the two is what makes SI so overwhelming
-All the fearsome units need to either have their mana costs increased or their HP reduced to 1. Way too strong and cost effective for so much HP.
-Ephemeral units are way too strong and will replace fearsome next. Spectral riders should be adjusted, which would help balance Hecarim out without directly nerfing him.
-Ledros needs to either be 10 mana or have fearsome removed.
-Hecarim needs his stats adjusted. I'm just throwing a number out, but he should probably be 5/4
-No one knows it yet, but Heimer is absolutely broken. He probably won't get any attention this patch, but expect him to be meta at some point soon.
-Can't offer much insight into Noxus, because no one uses it. I see maybe one deck a day and it's usually easy to win against if it's the primary region in the deck. Katarina just needs a new level up, and Draven's spinning axes should probably be 1 mana with no discard, and he should create two before the level up. Discarding to play spinning axes is unbelievably bad. Have not seen or played against a vlad or Darius deck yet.
Played about 10 games today and almost all of them were against SI/ Demacia decks. That deck is basically braindead. All of the units are fearsome, so you can't low block them, and the game is basically over when Hecarim comes out. You always burn all your resources and then he just comes back next round with full mana and a rally.
SI spells give them every tool they'd ever need Frenzied Scitterer needs a nerf, Arachnoid horror needs to be 3 mana, wraithcaller needs to be 5 mana, glympse needs to be 3 mana. The whole board gets swarmed because the deck is so fast and cheap
I made the deck myself and it honestly doesn't even feel fair for my opponents. You can run elusive down so hard that it's sad.
The game is borderline unplayable right now.
Nerf Rekindler into just a play effect or make it a 8 mana card. It's beyond stupid to see someone get three hecarims. Shadow riders need to be 2/1. Overwhelm needs to be removed. Either all of those or he needs to be an 8 or 9 mana card.
While this game is much more generous than Hearthstone, it's still a gacha system at its core. Eventually your rewards are going to max out and you won't have any choice other than your weekly vault, which is basically nothing, even at three diamonds. When more sets come out, you will have to spend money to keep up.
It's obviously not the same balance team as League, but that's all we have to go off for now. They said that exact thing, word for word, about League, and that's the furthest thing from the truth possible.
SI and P&Z done
Everything else is at 8
I wonder if Riot is going to reset the rewards when the game officially launches, after the first season, next year, or if at all. My guess is not at all
Is there a refund limit? I can't imagine they haven't thought about people abusing the refund system.
I guess the champion would turn into a lot of shards.
Yasuo is a weak champion. Hilariously enough, the reason the deck does decent is everyone wastes their removal on Yasuo and the beat down units overwhelm the opponent. I know reddit loves vlad and yasuo right now, but they're just not strong.
The fastest way to climb is to run elusive or fearsome decks. Both are still ridiculously strong and it's nearly impossible to brick on your opening hand with them. Shadow Isles/Ionia is the most broken deck now. You have complete control, lost cost spells, and an answer for everything
The algorithm is a double edge sword. If rather it cost my starting hand than lose a game because my hand bricks
This game has an obvious bug, where you sometimes get the same cards you got rid of because the algo thinks its the best option. I hate when I mulligan my entire hand and get two of the same cards back. It happens pretty frequently.
Enlightened is overall a very weak keyword. There's very little value right now for building a deck around it. Even with Karma, it's still very gimmicky and tends to brick a lot against unit swarming.
Maybe if it granted +6/+6. Enlightened should be a type that gives you a crazy powerful ability late game, but forces you to choose between sacrificing units and spells before you get to that point.
I think one of the problems is that they're too liberal with the "Burst" title. Stun and frostbite would be a little less annoying if they were just fast.
I literally just played a mirror Ez game and we both passed our first three turns because no one wanted to play a unit, because you just start leveling up the other player's Ez and it's not like you can attack anyway, because you're just going to get hit with brittle steel or get excited
I"m also seeing all these Heimer decks are that ~75% spells. You should be getting punished way more often for running this kind of style, but there's so much control in the 1-3 mana spells that you can easily control the board without any units.
It's definitely too long for the people willing to buy cards, but it's plenty of time for free players. I'd prefer a drip feed over big expansions.
Just make him into Exodia and have him require 10 regular mana and 3 spell mana and have him take the enemy nexus to 1 HP
You're absolutely correct, but having archetypes like fearsome being so dominate discourages the majority of people from experimenting. I think we might actually see Noxus open up a little bit when Ionia and SI get toned down.
I run 3 copies of it in my elusives deck. It's one of the best surprise attacks that no one expects.
I'm saying if you have a board set up to play a 6 mana card and then a 3 mana card, you're probably curb stomping your opponent.
You were probably going to win the game no matter what if you can cast both of those in the same turn and already have a board set up for it.
It's really only good for elusives that want to double tap you. I've never seen anyone play it in an Ionia deck without elusives.
Were you drunk when you made this thread?
I agree it's overtuned and needs a nerf, but it's the only thing keeping this game from being 100% shadow isles right now. Deny can go to 4 or 5 mana, but the game is ruined if other spells don't get nerfed with it. Deny is the dental floss holding the game together right now.
Deny is the only reason you're not seeing 100% SI decks. Elusives are too strong, but nothing else would be able to deal with the removal spells in this game if Deny didn't exist. This game has an overall problem with how cheap complete removal is. When you lose games, you often feel like you were helpless and not outplayed. Deny is part of that problem, but it's actually hiding how bad the problem really is.
-Deny is fine with the current state of the game. It' the only thing that stops a lot of the current cancer in Frejlord and P&Z. If other spells in the game get hit with nerfs, then it would be fine to up the mana cost on Deny.
-The frostbite spells needs to be turned into fast instead of burst and/or have their mana costs increased. Ezrael decks are even less interactive than elusives. You can't do anything while they stall the game.
-Elusives needs some tuning. I think they would be fine if they just all lost HP. Just making them more fragile will reinforce the archetype.
-Lots of SI units and spells need nerfs too. Their removal spells are way too cost efficient and give too much utility. I would prefer if they nerfed fearsome before nerfing the spells though. I think the combination of the two is what makes SI so overwhelming
-All the fearsome units need to either have their mana costs increased or their HP reduced to 1. Way too strong and cost effective for so much HP.
-Ephemeral units are way too strong and will replace fearsome next. Spectral riders should be adjusted, which would help balance Hecarim out without directly nerfing him.
-Ledros needs to either be 10 mana or have fearsome removed.
-Hecarim needs his stats adjusted. I'm just throwing a number out, but he should probably be 5/4
-No one knows it yet, but Heimer is absolutely broken. He probably won't get any attention this patch, but expect him to be meta at some point soon.
-Can't offer much insight into Noxus, because no one uses it. I see maybe one deck a day and it's usually easy to win against if it's the primary region in the deck. Katarina just needs a new level up, and Draven's spinning axes should probably be 1 mana with no discard, and he should create two before the level up. Discarding to play spinning axes is unbelievably bad. Have not seen or played against a vlad or Darius deck yet.