I doubt you have enough card draw to reliably unleash Chef Nomi and Elise the Enlightened. Not before being already dead.
You can hope to survive Aggro by running them out of steam, but i hardly see you actually winning with your own winconditions.
I think you should go harder down the draw/combo path. At the moment, your deck is neither Control nor Combo.
Well i had some games against aggro were i stabilized on turn 5/6 (after finishing quest) with Hidden Oasis and Oasis Surger but sure if i face aggro and he has a strong opening it´s very hard to stabilize or even turn the game.
I will cut Nomi because most of the Games i won i finished with Malygos into Moonfires :) - so far i'm 7-4 and 6 of those wins were with Maly into Moonfires :)
Right now there are 2 win cons - Malygos and Chef Nomi - you either shoot your Opponent down using Maly and Moonfires (or swipe) normal or with duplicates or you draw your Deck and try to win with Chef Nomi! If you played Elise at the right time you can Slam Nomi down twice :)
I also thought about including more Heavy Spells and King Phaoris but that seemed way to inconsistent. Well right now the list is not even that consistant. It´s doing decent and so far i'm standing 5-3.
I do not have Cards like Wardruid Loti or Cenarius - that's why they are not in there :)
What do you Guys think? should i focus on only one Win Condition or could this deck work ?
Well i personaly would Dust it because i do not have any plans playing him - but if you want to try him i would wait with the dusting! I personaly kept a Golden Making Mummies but just because i wanted to try this card anyway :)
I think what you mean is "there will never be a time when every single person is happy, will there?"
And also THIS! it is impossible to find a deck everybody likes or hates equally - simply impossible! there will always be at least one who will disagree!
It's the same about movies, music, books etc - there always will be a difference of oppinion in likings and dislikings :)
I once tried to find a Movie only using IMDB comments and critics that was liked by every Critic and Commentator ! or hated by everyone :) - simply Impossible!
Well i personaly did not see the need to nerf Extra Arms but i also kinda understand why they did it. Like DoubleSummon said - Aggro/Combo Priest was very good and could snowball the opponent pretty hard - i mean it is one of the strongest decks (at least before the nerf) according to HSReplay :)
Well i used my dust to craft a Quest Druid (Crafted the Quest , Floop and the 2 Mana Epic card that draws you cards) because i wanted a Druid Deck so i can get my Golden Druid Portrait (only 25 wins away) and the Quest Druid was the only list i found i liked to play until i get the golden Portrait.
I realy like that they made Zephrys even better now :)
Dusted everything except Dr, Boom .... i have mixed feelings about dusting him ... he could be still viable even tough i do not play warrior that often ... but i guess i will dust him because the Warrior decks i play are mostly aggro ...
Well all shamans I face are quest ones. So Shaman only plays that deck now it seems. Paladin has 2 decks left, one is the quest the other is the OTK/combo one. Hunter quest I see rarely, mage quest never. I have 0 winrate with it. Do not even know how to buff that one properly. Priest quest is strong. Warrior would be OK if warrior did not have even stronger T1 decks to choose from.
Realy - what server are you playing on? because im playing EU and the Shamans i face are mostly murloc Shamans - sure some Quest Shamans pop up now and then but mostly Murlocs.
Only had one opponent playing the Hunter Quest since the new expansion and i personaly think that it is not that good - Mage i saw some at the start of the Expansion but now not a single one!
Priest Quest is pretty strong in some sort of Rezz/Wall Priest and Warrior could maybe work in some sort of Aggro Build i guess. Warlock Quest also does not realy see play right now and the only build i saw with the Quest that i realy liked was some kind of Mecha'thun build - but to slow/weak for the ladder.
WoW .... the work you've done is very impressive! Very creative and well thought ! I always like to create cards and come up with ideas about them but this seems pretty awesome!
Very well done!
the only thing so far is that i agree with MalcomReynolds - i think the Tactic Keyword should either be like a Battlecry or an continual effect !
Neferset Thrasher surely can get you in trouble but most of the time this in combo with Diseased Vulture for example can be very overwhelming for the opponent.
And Magic Carpet is one of the best cards you can use for Zoo - even better in Lackey Zoo - Nice stats for Zoo and the ability is very strong ! There are lots of different Zoo Variants but i think the Carpet has to be in every single one of them :)
The Egg is not the best, thats true but combined with Knife Juggler and for example a Grim Rally this also is very good and it also puts minions on the boad so you can play Sea Giant early on - so i guess it`s not that bad!
Im a bit bummed as well about the lack of competitive quest lists. at sub 5 I hardly see any quests. The only new deck is see at all regularly is highlander hunter and I'm pretty sick of playing against hunter.
I think others are right in that future releases have a good chance at making them more viable but man is that a long time to wait to play the main theme of the current expansion.
Yep, i also thought we would see way more of the Quests !
The Quest that sees most play right now to my surprise is Making Mummies - sure sometimes there is a Quest Druid or a Shaman but the Quest card with the most playtime right now is Paladin. But i think even tough the other Quests are not the best Ones right now that they still shaked the meta up quite nice :)
But as GypsiHunter stated the Quest could also get more viable with next expansion :)
Well the Matchmaking discussion sureley is an old one :) - every Hearthstone related Forum had it or it comes and goes every now and then! But as far as i know there is no official statement about it , only something about the MMR and how you get matched but nothing concrete.
Sure there are some people who say it is rigged and there are moments in the game you alwasy get your worst outcame etc. - but that also means that somebody (the opponent) get`s a good outcome and therefor i would say it still counts as random ...
The part about the internet breakdown ... sure there could be a Server crash but i think that is unlikely and most of the time the players internet or W-Lan had somekind of disfunction but most of the players would still say it´s Blizzards fault that they have shitty servers etc, etc, ...
Sometimes you will have bad luck and get matched against the worst match-up or draw bad and the opponent get´s the nuts - but it also happens the other way around ...
At least that are my oppinions :)
TL, DR:
I think the matchmaking is random and not rigged - sometimes you get lucky and sometimes not :) :)
I will analyze the video and give some background to what happens cause this video goes over a lot of stuff in the game.
Unjustified rant/nitpicking:
bugs: Bugs are part of every single program in the world there is not a single program without bugs except if you test it to perfection which is almost impossible to get all the edge cases. btw hs is NOT a finished game a game that updates really often (monthly updates is crazy for single player games if you play those as well). Game freezes/crashes are part of every big game not just hs.
Auto complete not working in wild: The wild auto complete just doesn't work and they openly admitted it when they upgraded it to be actually good. also it's a plus cause the data on wild is so low so the meta is never really solved and the options are endless.
Classic legendaries being "useless" Tinkmaster Overspark actually sees some play from time to time as a tech card, Lord Jaraxxus might be great again someday.. it was great for a while, also legendaries are overrated it means they are rare not OP or too strong to have 2 copies of, BTWit's better they suck so you don't have to collect more of them!
Why does the video complains about wild combos? those are ok.. and you can't really design 3000+ cards and expect stuff to not be broken together.
they nerfed Charge because they wanted more freedom in designing cards, having the ability to give ANY neutral or warrior minion charge at any given time is a headache to balance, the card should be called "rush" and they should return WC to it's old iteration but with rush instead of charge.. WC is such a sad joke card.. (the second part is the part that annoys me, but the charge/otk rant is holding on a lie they said back then, otk is fine if it has counterplay).
Balance issues:dr. boom just got nerfed and the card was ok until rotation,big priest just got nerfed and it's win rate is sub 50, just really annoying to play against when they get Barnes on 4.. now they will never get Barnes on 4 again. they didn't want to nerf it because some people like big priest and it's playrate is high those people.. won't like their deck being nerfed (IKR some people like jhonny decks who would have guessed), don't think Naga Sea Witch got nerfed JUST cause reddit got a promoted thread. int he last year the dev team have been doing really well with balance I didn't feel that an extended amount of time something was waaaaay too good and it wasn't addressed they are doing it in a good pace too, not too soon, not too late.
80$ skin: it's not a 80$ skin they sell you the packs, and legendaries the skin is an extra to the bundle.
Legit complains:
Interactions: it's annoying cause they added like 1000 interactions in dalaran's heist but they can't add interactions to ranked play?
Economy: The HS economy is trash, including the achievements which people have been asking for AGES *looks at gwent* as well as statics.. which is dumb let's me add another thing did they realized yet every player that played for half a year have all classes at level 60 and the cap is meaningless? also the 50 quest of 2 games vs 1 game are kinda idiotic but the change was straight lazy bump from 40 gold to 50 gold instead of just .. deleting the 40 gold ones, but they won't this is cause they are greedy but it's NOT the development team fault it's the people who run the big money that block HS from making a better economy.
Up for opinion I don't care:
UI inconsistency: Quest rewards/dream/DK cards should really just show under a different tab in the UI I agree it's dumb but it doesn't matter that much really.
OCD: 5 gold is annoying but you can get the other 5 gold if you play arena again.
Zayle will be disenchant-able post rotation also can be bought with in game gold as I did.
TL;DR: most stuff in the video are small/ insignificant stuff and the only legit complain is the economy which is terrible compared to any other card game and it's not the dev team's fault cause they have no control over how much the company wants to earn from the game.
This summs it up pretty good ! very well written!
I personaly am think Hearthstone is far from "finished" and mostly get's trashed by people who are just salty - sure there are some valid points like the Economy in the Game regarding Quests or the dusting system but otherwise i think it is still a good game - at least in my oppinion :)
Do Highlander hunter players think this deck will still be dominant, without Zul'jin, next year?
I'm asking this because I don't know if it is safe to craft Brann and Subject 9. I have all the other key cards for this deck but I am a f2p scrub.
Defenitely yes! i run 2 different lists - one with Secrets, Zul'Jin etc. and the second one is more of a Highlander MechBomb Hunter without Zul'Jin - and it still works fine!
Mhh ...personaly i am not convinced Wild Bloodstinger would fit into the deck but i will give it a try because you're right about the disruption it could do!
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I would remove skaterbot and Sandbinder and add Kangor and the 3 mana draw cheapest minion spell instead (keep forgetting it’s name, would give you better card draw and add value to the deck in general.
Why does everyone keep putting Sandbinder in their highlander decks? This card is so bad in terms of tempo. And if you draw Siamat before playing it, it’s basically dead. Also it screams “Hey, I have Siamat in hand now”, so your opponent knows it as well.
Well i guess they put Sandbinder in to Draw Zephrys and/or Siamat and to thin the deck a little bit faster - but i also played lists without Sandbinder and it also worked fine!Quote From RandomGuy
I have seen the Shrivalah OTK highlander decks work okay.
Thats the kind of list i would persue if i wanted to build a Highlander Paladin ! Sure you could try some sort of Aggro/Tempo Highlander with Quest for Example but i personaly would prefer the Shirvalah OTK list
Well i personaly am would prefer even more Buffs - i think they did a good Job with Buffs so far - except a little over the top with Luna's but everyone makes mistakes!
Sure there are Cards that already received Buffs and still do not see play (or not as much as they hoped it would) - but other are pretty good! so in my oppinion Buffs and of course Nerfs too are good for the game!
Well i had some games against aggro were i stabilized on turn 5/6 (after finishing quest) with Hidden Oasis and Oasis Surger but sure if i face aggro and he has a strong opening it´s very hard to stabilize or even turn the game.
I will cut Nomi because most of the Games i won i finished with Malygos into Moonfires :) - so far i'm 7-4 and 6 of those wins were with Maly into Moonfires :)
Edit: I updated the list !
I took out Chef Nomi and Tending Tauren.
Put in a second Nourish and im trying a Dreampetal Florist because we go the Maly Route now :)
Edit: Updated the list a little bit!
I took out the Dreampetal Florist because so far it was not needed nor performing good for me - and i put in a King Phaoris - let's see how it goes!
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I wanted to try my Own Quest Druid build :
Right now there are 2 win cons - Malygos and Chef Nomi - you either shoot your Opponent down using Maly and Moonfires (or swipe) normal or with duplicates or you draw your Deck and try to win with Chef Nomi! If you played Elise at the right time you can Slam Nomi down twice :)
I also thought about including more Heavy Spells and King Phaoris but that seemed way to inconsistent. Well right now the list is not even that consistant. It´s doing decent and so far i'm standing 5-3.
I do not have Cards like Wardruid Loti or Cenarius - that's why they are not in there :)
What do you Guys think? should i focus on only one Win Condition or could this deck work ?
Well i personaly would Dust it because i do not have any plans playing him - but if you want to try him i would wait with the dusting! I personaly kept a Golden Making Mummies but just because i wanted to try this card anyway :)
It changes the Attack and Health "Buttons" into a Smiley Face and the Health into a Heart
THIS!
I think what you mean is "there will never be a time when every single person is happy, will there?"
And also THIS! it is impossible to find a deck everybody likes or hates equally - simply impossible! there will always be at least one who will disagree!
It's the same about movies, music, books etc - there always will be a difference of oppinion in likings and dislikings :)
I once tried to find a Movie only using IMDB comments and critics that was liked by every Critic and Commentator ! or hated by everyone :) - simply Impossible!
Well i personaly did not see the need to nerf Extra Arms but i also kinda understand why they did it. Like DoubleSummon said - Aggro/Combo Priest was very good and could snowball the opponent pretty hard - i mean it is one of the strongest decks (at least before the nerf) according to HSReplay :)
Well i used my dust to craft a Quest Druid (Crafted the Quest , Floop and the 2 Mana Epic card that draws you cards) because i wanted a Druid Deck so i can get my Golden Druid Portrait (only 25 wins away) and the Quest Druid was the only list i found i liked to play until i get the golden Portrait.
I realy like that they made Zephrys even better now :)
Dusted everything except Dr, Boom .... i have mixed feelings about dusting him ... he could be still viable even tough i do not play warrior that often ... but i guess i will dust him because the Warrior decks i play are mostly aggro ...
Realy - what server are you playing on? because im playing EU and the Shamans i face are mostly murloc Shamans - sure some Quest Shamans pop up now and then but mostly Murlocs.
Only had one opponent playing the Hunter Quest since the new expansion and i personaly think that it is not that good - Mage i saw some at the start of the Expansion but now not a single one!
Priest Quest is pretty strong in some sort of Rezz/Wall Priest and Warrior could maybe work in some sort of Aggro Build i guess. Warlock Quest also does not realy see play right now and the only build i saw with the Quest that i realy liked was some kind of Mecha'thun build - but to slow/weak for the ladder.
WoW .... the work you've done is very impressive! Very creative and well thought ! I always like to create cards and come up with ideas about them but this seems pretty awesome!
Very well done!
the only thing so far is that i agree with MalcomReynolds - i think the Tactic Keyword should either be like a Battlecry or an continual effect !
I realy do not see the need to Nerf Zilliax.
Good and balanced card but it also will rotate at some time !
Well i mostly disagree ...
Neferset Thrasher surely can get you in trouble but most of the time this in combo with Diseased Vulture for example can be very overwhelming for the opponent.
And Magic Carpet is one of the best cards you can use for Zoo - even better in Lackey Zoo - Nice stats for Zoo and the ability is very strong ! There are lots of different Zoo Variants but i think the Carpet has to be in every single one of them :)
The Egg is not the best, thats true but combined with Knife Juggler and for example a Grim Rally this also is very good and it also puts minions on the boad so you can play Sea Giant early on - so i guess it`s not that bad!
At least that`s what i think about those cards :)
Yep, i also thought we would see way more of the Quests !
The Quest that sees most play right now to my surprise is Making Mummies - sure sometimes there is a Quest Druid or a Shaman but the Quest card with the most playtime right now is Paladin. But i think even tough the other Quests are not the best Ones right now that they still shaked the meta up quite nice :)
But as GypsiHunter stated the Quest could also get more viable with next expansion :)
Well the Matchmaking discussion sureley is an old one :) - every Hearthstone related Forum had it or it comes and goes every now and then! But as far as i know there is no official statement about it , only something about the MMR and how you get matched but nothing concrete.
Sure there are some people who say it is rigged and there are moments in the game you alwasy get your worst outcame etc. - but that also means that somebody (the opponent) get`s a good outcome and therefor i would say it still counts as random ...
The part about the internet breakdown ... sure there could be a Server crash but i think that is unlikely and most of the time the players internet or W-Lan had somekind of disfunction but most of the players would still say it´s Blizzards fault that they have shitty servers etc, etc, ...
Sometimes you will have bad luck and get matched against the worst match-up or draw bad and the opponent get´s the nuts - but it also happens the other way around ...
At least that are my oppinions :)
TL, DR:
I think the matchmaking is random and not rigged - sometimes you get lucky and sometimes not :) :)
Exactly! I was laughing my ass off!
MAAGIC !!!!
This summs it up pretty good ! very well written!
I personaly am think Hearthstone is far from "finished" and mostly get's trashed by people who are just salty - sure there are some valid points like the Economy in the Game regarding Quests or the dusting system but otherwise i think it is still a good game - at least in my oppinion :)
Defenitely yes! i run 2 different lists - one with Secrets, Zul'Jin etc. and the second one is more of a Highlander MechBomb Hunter without Zul'Jin - and it still works fine!
Mhh ...personaly i am not convinced Wild Bloodstinger would fit into the deck but i will give it a try because you're right about the disruption it could do!
Yes!
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As soon as i heard that OOC exists i read about it and migrated over here and left HearthPWN behind - and so far this decision was the right one!
The Team behind OOC is awesome and very fast regarding Hearthstone News and Infos! KEEP ON ROCKING GUYS !!!!
Thats the kind of list i would persue if i wanted to build a Highlander Paladin ! Sure you could try some sort of Aggro/Tempo Highlander with Quest for Example but i personaly would prefer the Shirvalah OTK list
Well i personaly am would prefer even more Buffs - i think they did a good Job with Buffs so far - except a little over the top with Luna's but everyone makes mistakes!
Sure there are Cards that already received Buffs and still do not see play (or not as much as they hoped it would) - but other are pretty good! so in my oppinion Buffs and of course Nerfs too are good for the game!