This is a VERY interesting twist to the archetype. Kudos! By relying on the coins and a 0-mana libram, you don't need Thaurissan. On the other hand you still depend on drawing the extra coins from adventurers and casting both attendants for the 0-libram... Might be too slow against Quest Mage and Mechathun Lock kills you consistently at 8 so.. There's that.
My version might be a little faster but I'll have to test yours to see. I use Call to Arms to thin the deck, bringing loot hoarders, doomsayers, Thalnos, Pyro, Kangor, lots of AoEs for the creature-heavy decks, bananas and a Humiliation for the 1-mana spells and Thaurissan to reduce them to 0. Also a Shirvallah as the nail in the coffin against aggro. In a lucky day I complete the combo at 10. It's really fun but doesn't use any new cards (decklist in my profile)
Do you want to erase Odd DH? Changing Warglaives would be the nail in the coffin. These soft hits to Priestess and Crimson Runner will do fine, you'll see (as Battlefiend, AND Altruis, and...). Odd DH is a fair deck, not busted at all. Like old Odd Rogue.
It's so bad that MTGA is not its own independent thing and is just a reflection of the physical game, because devs can't even think of nerfing problematic cards. Banning cards is a terrible solution but the only one they have, and it's rarely used.
In this sense, HS goes waaay much better, allowing the devs to balance it accordingly.
Loatheb is amazing to protect your board after Shudderwock! I swapped it for Bandersmosh, which frankly I'll never craft. AND good old Shuderwock's buddy Lifedrinker in Doomcaller's place, even though I considered an AoE or heal for a slight chance against aggro.
EDIT: 1st match playing this deck I went against Mill Rogue and simply obliterated him at turn 9 with board valor and smart hand management. Doubled my Dopplegangster/Evolve combo and he didn't have Vanish lol
Hi Swizard. Thanks for showing me this interesting deck. It looks stronger against aggro than my version, which is a heavy cycle OTK one-trick pony that's bonkers against control but a lot weaker against aggro (something akin to your C'Thun Shudderwock). I'll post the decklist + guide soon and let you know.
This one is just beautiful. All the amazing highlander tools including Sir Finley (although he's so lackluster compared to other classes' highlander minions) plus a draw package and the Exodia finisher in Uther + bouncers/cloners. However, as you only have one Youthful Brewmaster, you restrict your Zola too much in control match-ups, just to copy another horseman (can't rely on a horseman staying on board for another turn). Hope that didn't come up too confusing... When I ran a similar version I had 2 pandas and sometimes Zola to copy other things including Shirvallah, the Tiger if necessary.
Nice that you use Ashes of Outland cards too. I couldn't include any in my version. Anyway, congrats for the deck and see you in Wild ladder.
Looks really fun indeed. I may try it. What was really interesting though, was your mention of Exodia Paladin, a deck I personally love but haven’tseen in ages lol (besides myself when I’m in the mood to play it)
I've been having a lot of fun with Odd DH. My winrate is slightly better than 50%, so it's not too too good, but has many favorable matchups. I'm hoping for Legend.
Card draw is tough. In addition to the class options, I run 2x Coldlight Oracle.
I'm wondering how people feel about Fungalmancer? I haven't tried it yet, but it plays well in other Odd classes.
We have more solid options on the 5 slot than Rogue had (Warglaives, Adept with a weapon equipped) and less weenies (no lackeys, much less pirates. Fungalmancer is only good when you consistently have 2 minions on board T5. I don’t like it in DH.
I haven't tried odd demon hunter yet but I always liked odd rogue so I should probably give it a go. How's the carddraw after the nerf to skull?
Also, got a decklist by any chance?
You can start with the Tempostorm one, it's pretty decent. If mine keeps performing good I'll upload it.
Sometimes I take out the mini-pirate package (too fragile) for better 1 drops (Shadowhoof Slayer for tempo, Blazing Battlemage, Fire Fly) and better 3 drops against Priest/Druid/Warlock: good old Vicious Fledgling, even Dragonhawk Rider can deal some nice dmg if it survives the turn. Still debatable if Hench-Clan Thug is the definitive 3. Maybe not, he's much worse in DH than he was in Rogue because there you could set up Dagger in turn 2. I also don't let go of king Leeroy Jenkins in the 5 slot.
See? This is a nice flavor of Even/Odd decks. So flexible and no definitive closed lists like Std. And we didn't even mention real tech choices, like Chief Inspector.
As for card draw, you don't need so much since your tempo and finishers are pretty efficient. Still, we have at least 3 Outcast cards: a Consume Magic and 2 Crimson Sigil Runner.
I’m feeling sorry for Std players, as the new class has been a problem since day 1. Even after the 2nd round of nerfs it’s still busted and polarizes opinions.
In Wild it not only survived the nerfs, but Odd DH still sits comfortably in Tier 2, playing similarly to good ol’ Odd Rogue. Great early, mid and late game. Good matchup spreadsheet, beats Quest Mage 50% (or more, with techs). What’s not to love?
Got Diamond 3 last month. Already Diamond 9 now and perfectly viable for legend. Other archetypes could even be playable (Reno, combo, hyper aggro) but I’m simply in love with Odd right now. RIP Albatross though...
- It’s cheap to keep updated. Good cards remain good for a loong time. It values your investment. I realize I’m unable to build any decent Std deck atm without crafting a ton of niche legendaries/epics. A good way to measure if a card is worth crafting is: “might it be good in Wild down the line?”
- Variety. It has its meta cheesy decks, obviously (hateful Quest Mages...) but also allows for amazing deckbuilding and fun decks. Exodia Paladin, Spell Yogg Hunter, 1000 types of OTK Druid and so much more.
- It’s easy to climb and reach your desired monthly goals. My 1st and only Legend rank was there. Now I get my Diamond 5 smoothly in the 1st 5 days
An efficient classic. But Duplicates are definitely better than the portals. Portals are terrible against creature decks and control decks will always board wipe your generated 4-drop anyway
Deathwing? Shouldn’t you get a silence in there? Shieldbreaker is extremely cheap. The bomb weapon seems better than Death’s Bite too, since the bombs mess with Reno decks AND can help killing
This is a VERY interesting twist to the archetype. Kudos! By relying on the coins and a 0-mana libram, you don't need Thaurissan. On the other hand you still depend on drawing the extra coins from adventurers and casting both attendants for the 0-libram... Might be too slow against Quest Mage and Mechathun Lock kills you consistently at 8 so.. There's that.
My version might be a little faster but I'll have to test yours to see. I use Call to Arms to thin the deck, bringing loot hoarders, doomsayers, Thalnos, Pyro, Kangor, lots of AoEs for the creature-heavy decks, bananas and a Humiliation for the 1-mana spells and Thaurissan to reduce them to 0. Also a Shirvallah as the nail in the coffin against aggro. In a lucky day I complete the combo at 10. It's really fun but doesn't use any new cards (decklist in my profile)
Do you want to erase Odd DH? Changing Warglaives would be the nail in the coffin. These soft hits to Priestess and Crimson Runner will do fine, you'll see (as Battlefiend, AND Altruis, and...). Odd DH is a fair deck, not busted at all. Like old Odd Rogue.
Wild-only player here. Where can I find that buff paladin?
It's so bad that MTGA is not its own independent thing and is just a reflection of the physical game, because devs can't even think of nerfing problematic cards. Banning cards is a terrible solution but the only one they have, and it's rarely used.
In this sense, HS goes waaay much better, allowing the devs to balance it accordingly.
@Fluxflashor, you already know the winner?
EDIT: Are you aware of a bug in the typebox that suppresses the last character? At least in Mobile I noticed tha
Loatheb is amazing to protect your board after Shudderwock! I swapped it for Bandersmosh, which frankly I'll never craft. AND good old Shuderwock's buddy Lifedrinker in Doomcaller's place, even though I considered an AoE or heal for a slight chance against aggro.
EDIT: 1st match playing this deck I went against Mill Rogue and simply obliterated him at turn 9 with board valor and smart hand management. Doubled my Dopplegangster/Evolve combo and he didn't have Vanish lol
Hi Swizard. Thanks for showing me this interesting deck. It looks stronger against aggro than my version, which is a heavy cycle OTK one-trick pony that's bonkers against control but a lot weaker against aggro (something akin to your C'Thun Shudderwock). I'll post the decklist + guide soon and let you know.
This one is just beautiful. All the amazing highlander tools including Sir Finley (although he's so lackluster compared to other classes' highlander minions) plus a draw package and the Exodia finisher in Uther + bouncers/cloners. However, as you only have one Youthful Brewmaster, you restrict your Zola too much in control match-ups, just to copy another horseman (can't rely on a horseman staying on board for another turn). Hope that didn't come up too confusing... When I ran a similar version I had 2 pandas and sometimes Zola to copy other things including Shirvallah, the Tiger if necessary.
Nice that you use Ashes of Outland cards too. I couldn't include any in my version. Anyway, congrats for the deck and see you in Wild ladder.
Sieg
There styles are so lackluster compared to HS goldens... alternate arts on the other hand are awesom
Looks really fun indeed. I may try it. What was really interesting though, was your mention of Exodia Paladin, a deck I personally love but haven’tseen in ages lol (besides myself when I’m in the mood to play it)
So awesome! Hail Wil
Obosh, the Preypearcer: distant cousin of Baku the Mooneater, the lovely snake that carried me to Legend!
Gemrazer: makes Ikoria monogreen almost viable and pretty fun. Besides, blowing up Fires and Sharknado... Nuff said
General Kudro of Drannith: makes Mardu humans almost viable and fun. Besides, sniping an Uro... So sweet!
Yorion, Sky Nomad: breaking Magic rules as old as time itself... Not for the faint of heart!
Durable Coilbug: just love how annoying and versatile this little guy can be in drafts. Always pick at least 2
We have more solid options on the 5 slot than Rogue had (Warglaives, Adept with a weapon equipped) and less weenies (no lackeys, much less pirates. Fungalmancer is only good when you consistently have 2 minions on board T5. I don’t like it in DH.
You can start with the Tempostorm one, it's pretty decent. If mine keeps performing good I'll upload it.
Sometimes I take out the mini-pirate package (too fragile) for better 1 drops (Shadowhoof Slayer for tempo, Blazing Battlemage, Fire Fly) and better 3 drops against Priest/Druid/Warlock: good old Vicious Fledgling, even Dragonhawk Rider can deal some nice dmg if it survives the turn. Still debatable if Hench-Clan Thug is the definitive 3. Maybe not, he's much worse in DH than he was in Rogue because there you could set up Dagger in turn 2. I also don't let go of king Leeroy Jenkins in the 5 slot.
See? This is a nice flavor of Even/Odd decks. So flexible and no definitive closed lists like Std. And we didn't even mention real tech choices, like Chief Inspector.
As for card draw, you don't need so much since your tempo and finishers are pretty efficient. Still, we have at least 3 Outcast cards: a Consume Magic and 2 Crimson Sigil Runner.
I’m feeling sorry for Std players, as the new class has been a problem since day 1. Even after the 2nd round of nerfs it’s still busted and polarizes opinions.
In Wild it not only survived the nerfs, but Odd DH still sits comfortably in Tier 2, playing similarly to good ol’ Odd Rogue. Great early, mid and late game. Good matchup spreadsheet, beats Quest Mage 50% (or more, with techs). What’s not to love?
Got Diamond 3 last month. Already Diamond 9 now and perfectly viable for legend. Other archetypes could even be playable (Reno, combo, hyper aggro) but I’m simply in love with Odd right now. RIP Albatross though...
Any other Wild DH fans out there?
I play Wild only since its inception. Reasons:
- It’s cheap to keep updated. Good cards remain good for a loong time. It values your investment. I realize I’m unable to build any decent Std deck atm without crafting a ton of niche legendaries/epics. A good way to measure if a card is worth crafting is: “might it be good in Wild down the line?”
- Variety. It has its meta cheesy decks, obviously (hateful Quest Mages...) but also allows for amazing deckbuilding and fun decks. Exodia Paladin, Spell Yogg Hunter, 1000 types of OTK Druid and so much more.
- It’s easy to climb and reach your desired monthly goals. My 1st and only Legend rank was there. Now I get my Diamond 5 smoothly in the 1st 5 days
I would play more Brawl if the rewards were better. But thanks for the nice guide
Ramp into Gyruda T4 —> Ulamog.
This is an awesome work of Art!!! Kudos to them! (who's the badass villain btw?)
I'm still very doubtful to try the game though... Already playing both MTGA/HS and still enjoying those.
An efficient classic. But Duplicates are definitely better than the portals. Portals are terrible against creature decks and control decks will always board wipe your generated 4-drop anyway
Deathwing? Shouldn’t you get a silence in there? Shieldbreaker is extremely cheap.
The bomb weapon seems better than Death’s Bite too, since the bombs mess with Reno decks AND can help killing