Hearthstone

It's that time of year again, in only approximately two months there will be a new year rotation, which will probably bring with it another round of Hall of Fame. What cards do you think will be HoF'd? What cards do you hope will be HoF'd?

I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before in other forums, so sorry for creating a new thread for this.

But man. This guy is driving me crazy.

There were times when you could distinguish between decks that are likely to run Leeroy Jenkins and decks that are not.

But tuday, LITERALLY every deck I face plays him, no metter what the deck type is. It is just a universal 6 damage face finisher for 5, which is good in everything. So sick and tired of the entry sound as well after playing this game for 6ish (?) years now.

It should definitely go to HoF with this year's rotation in April.

What do you think?

*proceeds to put him in every deck to join the dark side*

Hey, working on this mini set of legendaries based on characters from the animated shorts. It's a set about Hearthstone itself, about cards and packs and card sets. I'm trying to use art that includes hearthstone cards in the image. I imagine this as some kind of promo-set, maybe for an event or giveaway. Check it out!

Ava creates a pack from the latest standard expansion set (currently Descent of Dragons). Whizbang creates a pack from a random set in Wild (currently any set from Goblins vs Gnomes through Kobolds and Catacombs).

So turns out you can play any wild card in this brawl, just copy a deck that has no standard cards and then it will suggest you to paste it once you are in the brawl, then it will select a card from the deck, it will find only wild cards and it will settle on one.. TBH tried a few minutes to figure out how he settles on a card so far it seems that if a certain card exists then it will select it.. how it selects it is unknown to me.

I tried to make it so it chooses Patches the Pirate but I didn't managed to replicate it yet (I faced someone playing patches, added him to question how he did that but of course he wouldn't share, then I remembered this bug and turns out I was right, and it wasn't fixed...)

Anyway nice check if the deck is valid when you queue.

Solution? check the deck's validity on queuing up and ban Pogo-Hopper from this brawl.

EDIT:

Nice suggestion to replace the wild card (Also it lets me replace it).

I dont know if its just me, but feels like im playing druid. Hope this deck helps someone its not optimized yet, but you may understand something about this I do not.

Pretty simple to play just do the most optimal thing you can has lots of card draw for a highlander decks so you can likely burn through most people even the druids pretty often.

Highlander Elemental Mage

Wild · Highlander Mage · by Millergram · 6 years, 2 months ago

• 0 Elemental Evocation x 1
• 1 Elemental Allies x 1
• 1 Magic Trick x 1
• 1 Ray of Frost x 1
• 1 Violet Spellwing x 1
• 2 Frostbolt x 1
• 2 Khadgar x 1
• 2 Mana Cyclone x 1
• 2 Quicksand Elemental x 1
• 2 Sorcerer's Apprentice x 1
• 2 Zephrys the Great x 1
• 3 Arcane Amplifier x 1
• 3 Cinderstorm x 1
• 3 Conjurer's Calling x 1
• 3 Fire Hawk x 1
• 3 Frost Nova x 1
• 3 Nightmare Amalgam x 1
• 4 Cosmic Anomaly x 1
• 4 Polymorph x 1
• 4 Water Elemental x 1
• 5 Bonfire Elemental x 1
• 5 Rolling Fireball x 1
• 5 Zilliax x 1
• 6 Blizzard x 1
• 7 Animated Avalanche x 1
• 7 Flamestrike x 1
• 8 Power of Creation x 1
• 9 Dragonqueen Alexstrasza x 1
• 10 Puzzle Box of Yogg-Saron x 1
• 12 Mountain Giant x 1

9,820 Dust 767 0 Copy Deck Code

I started playing this game in late November 2017. Before that, I played Shadowverse, which also featured the rush mechanic - same name and functionality - which was infamous for some decks having a 'remove everything' policy. One reason I found Hearthstone interesting and eventually stopped playing Shadowverse is that this game isn't based around having unpreventable damage from hand, whether that means damage to creatures or damage to face. Being able to actually establish a board, yet not automatically because you've done that, made the game much more appealing to me. It felt more like MTG.

Since being introduced as a keyword in Witchwood, there are currently 64 cards which either have rush, can gain rush or interact with rush some way. Not all of these are viable, I know, but a quick read through the list suggests about 30 are viable or have been viable at some point. Simply put, the mechanic feels too widely distributed and makes the game into a fight of whoever can make their rush creature stick after playing and swinging with it. I have no issue with any deck archetype - except for the extremely non-interactive Quest Priest, which ironically lacks rush creatures - but I'm playing games now with a Highlander Hunter deck which is just turn after turn of slamming rush minions into each other. I suspect that the old coin Chillwind Yeti play wouldn't be viable now because it would just get removed instantly instead of trading.

I've probably written this post poorly but I hope it gets my point across.

normal (named as story now) is laughably easy and heroic which is challenge mode is like normal difficulty..

there should be story(unlocks cards) normal(deck building) and heroic (ACTUALLY HARD!!!).

chapter 3 looked promising, a deathrattle deck that can pop them for 1 mana.. that's really challenging right? wrong! he trigger your deathrattles too so it's easy, the moment you gain board control you win.

A Skruk that buffs all his deck and board and hand by +1/+1 every turn for 1 mana.. 50% of his deck are weapons, the other half useless kobolds..

And 2 identical fights that are quite just ok, not hard enough though.

On the evil side it was a pure joke, heroic could be called easy mode for what it's worth...

The first one all his deck are dragons so dragon slayer and dragonmaw poacher make him a joke, the second one is the only one that made me make a custom deck(patron warrior) and is identical to the explorers so I am just annoyed it's the same fight, not even a twist.

and the dragons? it's a joke right? stall 10 turns.. just pick mage and freeze the board every turn.. not even close..

I don't know why they made them so easy... I remember trying again and again and again on BRM,naxx and frozen throne(only lich king, really) and having hard time trying to beat the bosses with many many tries.. this is a breeze.

and what annoys me is that it's obvious they made them easier.. cause they could make the dragon boss only trigger his on DRs they could made the dragon hunter actually having a functional deck (I passed for 5 turns doing NOTHING.. and still won), and the ships.. at least have ANY difference between the fights.. add some cannons only eudora has and cannons only the wanderer has..

/rant

I have nothing against harder bosses, but this one is insane.

200hp and 1 Mana Keleseth HP is absolutly crazy without Chromis second life and double Turn HP.

Did anyone of you managed to beat him on heroic and what decks did you used?

Hey all,

I just finished the 3rd chapter of Galakrond's awakening and came across a funny mistake in the german localization that I would like to share (needless to say this contains spoilers about said chapter). Among the auto-attack cannons there is one card called Missile Pod. If you play the game in german you will find that this specific card has its name and card text in italian. An interesting implication of this: If you play the "Trigger all auto-attacks" card, Missile Pod won't trigger. My guess is, the game looks for the string "Automatischer Angriff" but only finds "attacco automatico".

In what language are you playing hearthstone and are there other weird/funny language related moments you came across?

Perhaps a bit weird to be commenting on this now, as for all we know the next two weeks will send some of these cards I want to talk about back into relevance... not likely, as I'm not seeing any real synergy here (you could say Shotbot bringing Mech Paladin back into relevance, but that already happened without him!) , but we shall see.

So, in a couple of months, it's that time of year again, Hearthstone rotation season. Witchwood, Boomsday Project, and Rastakhan's Rumble are all leaving standard play, unless Adventure Sets being part of Standard mucks things up a bit in ways I've forgotten. I remember getting confused about what was rotating after Kraken, but maybe they were still settling into this whole Standard format back then.

ANYWAYS, I'm 95% sure this is what's rotating, so my post will be based off of that premise. Cool? Cool.

You know the main thing that got me thinking about rotation, and made me want to write down my thoughts about this? At the time, I couldn't think of a SINGLE card from the Witchwood expansion that sees any play today.

Eventually, they started to trickle in. Town Crier. Lifedrinker. Hench-Clan Thug, on and off, I don't believe it's currently being played, but I do believe it was in and out of Rogue decks while the Descent of Dragons meta was settling. I guess Lord Godfrey is part of the current control Warlock build, and maybe this is just a recent thing, but when's the last time you've seen a Lord Godfrey played on you in Standard? It's been a while on my end!

I'm not saying there isn't more, but that's all that's coming to mind. Considering we once lived in a world where the dastardly Shudderwocky terrorized the meta alongside the EVIL Hagatha, two cards that single-handedly carried the Shaman class (and it wasn't uncommon to see them run together, although both cards could create very different archtypes if one so choosed) it's honestly strange to think about how that's the biggest difference we'd see in the meta if Witchwood rotated tomorrow. I think everybody would agree me with me on this, that in early 2020, the Keyword Rush that the Witchwood introduced is now a lot more impactful than the Witchwood expansion itself.

Perhaps I wouldn't be saying this if Baku the Mooneater never went to HoF (I'm in the camp of believing Even decks were still about to die with all the great tools for Evenlock and Even Paladin rotating last year, but the world will never know) but we live in this world as it is.

Onto the Boomsday Project. Zilliax is certainly an impactful card that a lot of decks utilized. SN1P SN4P is another card seen in many decks, and it's also an interesting case in that it's a card that was free for most players (not saying nobody had to craft him, don't get snippy), cards like Wargear are carrying Mech Paladin in the fight against Embiggen Druid, Boommaster Flark seems to have finally found his niche as a part of Quest Hunter, and Stargazer Luna and the Pocket Galaxy are two of the legendaries pulling the Highlander Mage deck together for potential highrolling.
...But wait, aren't I forgetting a few things? Surely I am. What about the dreaded control Warrior deck from back in the day? What about tools like Dyn-O-matic, Omega Devastator, Warpath (yes, I know that's a Witchwood card), Supercollider, the big bad Dr. Boom himself?

Yeah, none of that stuff gets run anymore, Warrior found better stuff to put in.

I'm editing in Mecha'thun, because... I honestly forgot Mecha'thun decks even existed when I was writing this up.

BUT WHAT ABOUT RASTAKHAN'S... okay, you already know where this is going, don't you?

Rastakhan's Rumble is easily the most forgettable set of all the ones we're talking about today. Halazzi helps out with Quest Hunter. He's replaceable Hench-Clan Hogsteed was a fantastic card on launch, but it's usage has dwindled considerably, and I don't believe anything that isn't Quest Hunter wants to run it right now. Holy Wrath came and went in the meta whenever it worked, and it's not working anymore. Part of the Dragon package introduced in Rastakhan (Firetree Witchdoctor, Crowd Roaster, Emberscale Drake) was being played around with for a bit, but as far as I know, all of that's been dropped now. Jan'alai the Dragonhawk used to be a fantastic card that had such a presence in Mage decks, BEAST MAGE was a thing for a bit, using cards like Untamed Beastmaster to buff your Jan'alai, Black Cat, and other such things with really good Mage cards that just so happened to be Beasts.

And now that entire package is dead.

Akali the Rhino, Oondasta, big rush minions were a thing at one point back when we were in a combo meta and everybody wanted to smash it before their combo happened. (Sidenote: Holy crap, remember when Amani War Bear surprised everyone and ended up being GOOD? Yeah...)

Now we aren't in a combo meta anymore. Which is also why Mojomaster Zihi fell out of favor, she's not really worth much when we aren't in a combo meta.

So, is there a point to any of this? How Big Bad Blizzard scammed us all through powercreep, rendering our previous OP cards completely worthless in a Descent of Dragons meta, forcing us to buy the shiny new cards as the old ones that used to rule the roost were slowly but surely forced out of the metagame?

No, not really. It's just weird to think about, to me. Three expansions, all of which used to have some extremely powerful cards that dominated or played a significant part in the metagame at some point, and I can think of so few, if any cards that I'm actually going to miss vanishing from the metagame. I'm not saying the rotation won't have any impact and won't change the meta at all (Mech Paladin is in a REALLY bad place now, for example) a rotation is on it's way, and yet? For me personally, it really doesn't feel that way, at all. I wouldn't call this a bold prediction to say that this set rotation will probably be the least meaningful one in Hearthstone's history. Compare that to Infinite Value Death Knights rotating out last year, and it's such a bizarre shift in the landscape to me, that we live in a world where cards like Dr. Boom, Mad Genius, Hagatha the Witch, the SHUDDERWOCKY FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE, and a 7 mana 4/4 that summons Ragnaros the Firelord with him are in the current format, and don't see any play.

I've said my piece, now I'll open it up to you guys, any thoughts?

And before anyone says it, yes, cards stagnate and phase out of the meta, that's how card games work, that's going to happen.

I challenge anyone to argue that there was ever a time in Hearthstone history where it happened more than the Year of the Dragon.

I heard a rumor a while ago when the first wing came out that you could get the exclusive cards as arena rewards instead. And personally i don't play arena, but i would rather play arena and randomly get a chance to get these cards, even if it's low, than pay money for something i would only end up playing once and never touch again...i don't know why people like this format of locking cards away like this...

Apparently burgle cards include unreleased ones in the database. Gotta say, I rather liked him for a first impression. The battlecry, in particular, feels very strong, but it's the hero power that will keep things interesting. The match ended shortly afterwards, but still, it was a nice glimpse.

What, in your opinion, is the most broken deck in the history of Hearthstone? 2 parts to the question..:

1. Broken relative to the power level of the other decks at the time (i.e. had the best meta win rate ever)

2. Broken overall (i.e. most powerful deck that has ever existed)

I wonder, if you threw all the pre-nerf broken decks together in a Tavern Brawl, which would be the best performing deck? How would Quest Rogue do against Grim Patron Warrior, Cubelock, Raza Priest, Freeze Mage? Was Jade Druid really as powerful as it seemed? Do any of them hold a candle to Gala Shaman? Do golden oldies like Deathrattle Hunter or Combo Druid even stand a chance?

So what's the verdict on rerolling the Lunar New Year event quests? Do you keep the 60g/dust quests or do you reroll them?

This deck is so busted. The AoEs are waaay to strong. The 1 mana, 2 mana and 3 mana spells are all acting like Twisting Nether. All of them needs a nerf for 1 or better even 2 mana and they still whould be strong as f***. There is no way to get a board at all against this deck - it`s just ridiculous!

With all the changes that have come down the pipeline with these new expansions, I have encountered so many fluctuations in deck builds that many of the popular archetypes are becoming null.  Kingsbane being one of them.  I loved using this card in my Mill Rogue builds as the changes in the expansions came and went.  However, recently I have tried to update that deck and it feels that no matter what I try, there are so many different types of decks out there, that it doesn't work at all anymore.

Of all the decks that I play and have played against, it feels that the only constant in higher level play in Wild is Rez Priest.  I've found a few builds here and there of decks that I like and modified them to my play style, but ultimately I am wondering what everyone else has experienced with some of their favorite decks in Wild with the changing of the environment with the expansions are. Are you finding that your favorite builds and/or decks as a whole are no longer working?  What are you doing different?  Have you abandoned your old builds and gone with something new?

OK, I know some of you have already seen this deck on this site (it's gotten a little bit of hype, including 5 upvotes and me running into someone in HS who recognized me by the deck I was running and friended me).

But until now, however much fun I was having with the deck, I didn't really consider it worthy of posting on the forums about, because its winrate was only in the 30s or 40s.

That's changed in the past few days. Maybe it's just because it's the end of the month and the tryhards have ranked up above me, but ... whatever the reason, I've played 55 games of the latest version of the deck, and it's gotten a winrate of 63.6%. That's newsworthy IMO.

IMPENDING DOOM ... Dragonz Edition!

Wild · Shudderwock Shaman · by CaptainKaulu · 6 years, 4 months ago

• 1 Corrupt the Waters x 1
• 1 Sludge Slurper x 2
• 2 Firetree Witchdoctor x 2
• 2 Novice Engineer x 1
• 2 Questing Explorer x 2
• 2 Sandstorm Elemental x 2
• 3 Lightning Breath x 2
• 4 Coppertail Imposter x 1
• 4 Frizz Kindleroost x 1
• 4 Lifedrinker x 2
• 4 Omega Defender x 1
• 4 Sky Gen'ral Kragg x 1
• 5 Barista Lynchen x 1
• 5 Big Ol' Whelp x 2
• 5 Faceless Corruptor x 2
• 6 Evasive Wyrm x 1
• 6 Nithogg x 1
• 7 Siamat x 1
• 8 Twin Tyrant x 2
• 9 Onyxia x 1
• 9 Shudderwock x 1

14,720 Dust 1,742 0 Copy Deck Code

HSReplay says that the typical winrate for Quest Shamans lately (without Galakrond) is 37.8%, so ... I must be doing something right and different to get the results I'm getting!

I'm excited to improve the deck even more on Tuesday when Sky Gen'ral Kragg comes out!

After 2 days of very aggro decks (mech pally, face hunters, ...) this last day of ladder was full of druids in ranks 1-3. So I made a deck to specifically beat them and it worked way better than I expected.

I got 12 wins a row to get to legend, knocking down 6 embiggen druids on the way. Si I decided to forget about my statistics course and call it 100% win ;)

I'm not saying I'm a master deck builder (I'm usually pretty bad when I make my own decks) and I suppose many people have similar decks already. But if you like playing rogue and face too many druids, try this version!

My 12-0 road to legend anti-druid deck

Wild · Galakrond Rogue · by Gwavana · 6 years, 2 months ago

• 0 Backstab x 2
• 0 Shadowstep x 2
• 1 Pharaoh Cat x 2
• 1 Praise Galakrond! x 2
• 2 Eviscerate x 2
• 2 Sap x 1
• 3 Edwin VanCleef x 1
• 3 EVIL Miscreant x 2
• 3 Seal Fate x 2
• 3 SN1P-SN4P x 1
• 4 Devoted Maniac x 2
• 4 Dragonmaw Poacher x 2
• 5 Faceless Corruptor x 2
• 5 Leeroy Jenkins x 1
• 5 Shield of Galakrond x 2
• 6 Flik Skyshiv x 1
• 6 Heistbaron Togwaggle x 1
• 6 Kronx Dragonhoof x 1
• 7 Galakrond, the Nightmare x 1

12,360 Dust 3,912 3 Copy Deck Code

If this helps someone, I'll be happy.

I played Cheap Shot twice then ran out of mana, so i played Preparation to be able to cast another echo copy of Cheap Shot. As you can see all my spells cost 2 less, EXCEPT the echo copy of Cheap Shot that costs 1 less.

Echo copies always cost the same as the "default" version of the card, and there are no on board modifiers that would somehow change the mana cost of Cheap Shot. It costed 2, i played Prep, it costed 1. That is a bug.

Hello everyone, I'm back with another concept that allows us to have more ways to play Hearthstone. My last concept was Explorer, a format that bans cards on a monthly basis until it resets at the beginning of the new Hearthstone Year. Today I bring you Tables, a new way to play Hearthstone with your friends with your own rules. Such as hand size, starting health, deck size, and more with a little imagination. There's also some bonus stuff that I'm throwing in here as well that can apply. Again, if you see any flaws, have any questions, or just want to point something out that I didn't cover, please let me know. My designs are not perfect but we as a community can get Team 5's attention and tell them that we want something new.

Here we go.



Hearthstone is set in Harth's tavern somewhere in Azeroth.
The players are sat down at a table, in front of the Box and begin playing.
But what if we..... got up? And walked to a different table?
This is where Tables came from, the idea that other people are in this tavern, playing Hearthstone, by their own rules.
It's a pretty easy concept and pretty simple to implement.



Everyone is familiar with with the Modes button by now, and I felt that Tables fits right into that menu.
Choosing a tankard was appropriate because chances are if you're playing custom games, you're playing with friends.
Just click it and you'll be taken to the next menu.



Okay, I know I just gave you ALOT to look at and process, but these are the tables.

Before we talk about making your own rules and rule sets, I'm going to showcase some other ways to play.



Before we get started we have to address that with the implementation of Tables, comes also the Deck Box system.
It's simple, you click the button, and select the corresponding rule set or mode you want it to be made for, and get to building.





Toki, Time-Tinker is moving to Wild in April and when she does, her Battlecry won't make much sense.
She didn't see serious play when she was in Standard and definitely won't in Wild, so why not give her a Table to herself?



Toki's Tables of Time allows players to visit old, end of year metas of the past.
Just select the mode and what year, and get to playing!





Two Headed Ogre is pretty straight forward.

Hearthstone Mathematics made a video showcasing what a 2V2 mode would look like.



Iksar even commented on the mode but this was right before Battlegrounds was announced, so maybe people have forgotten about it?




Tournaments Grounds is essentially Tournament Mode but now it has a home in Table.

It makes sense really.
What if a bunch of players got together, established rules, card bans, and the like and started a Tournament?
What if other players like their rule set and wanted to mimic it?
We'll get to that soon. ;)




Endless Adventure is basically an endless Dungeon Run, but with rewards.
It uses all of them, intertwined if you'd like.
Dungeon Run, Monster Hunt, Rumble Run, Dalaran Heist, and Tombs of Terror.

A free version of it will be available to all players to play whenever they want.
New Treasures and ways to modify/remove cards from your deck should be implemented.
Rewards should be given when beating boss number "x" and so on.

A paid version, with either gold or your local currency, is available to those who think they can get really far.
Rewards will be increased as well.



For Tournament Grounds and Endless Adventure, I went and I had to brainstorm for rewards that are worthy of players' time.

I came up with two new rewards called Pack Tokens and Pack Sleeves.

Pack Tokens are exactly what they sound like.
They are equivalent to 100 Gold and buy you a pack.
The difference is that you can use these to buy whatever pack you want instead of the game choosing for you.




Pack Sleeves are a tool players can use to guarantee that they'll open a Legendary or Epic card.

Any pack can be used with these, and most importantly, you don't have to use them right away.
That means you can save them, and when an expansion comes out, if you want to use them all at once, go for it.
Now of course these aren't going to be easy to obtain, but hey, they're still neat.

The way these work internally is that once the pack is slid in, it chooses a Common rarity card and changes it before you open the pack.

Now enough waiting around, let's talk about making your own rules.
You select "Your Table" and are presented with a menu that allows you to browse individual rules and build them into a rule set.
You give it a name and description and start diving into individual rules that apply within.

Focus on the left side first.

The game needs to know what set restrictions you'd like to have.
Current Standard set?
How about all of Wild?
Do you want to modify what was allowed in Year of the Mammoth?

Let's pick Standard for Simplicity.
Now we have to list sets that are in use, this will default to whatever was allowed within the time you chose.
If you want to ban a particular set, now you can.
What would it look like if only (all of) Witchwood, Rastakhan's Rumble, and Descent of Dragons were allowed?
No Classic or Basic sets either.

Now that we have that out of the way, let's ban some cards, and maybe even some classes.
We'll get rid of every Galakrond card plus what ever cards synergize with him.
We'll also ban Embiggen and Necrium Apothecary.
You know what? Since Genn Greymane and Baku the Mooneater are here I'm gonna ban Paladin and Shaman as well, these are MY rules after all.

On the right you can see other rules that are not active until you click "Add Custom Rules".
Then you can peruse you own ideas or other players ideas and throw them into the rule set.
At the bottom of the extra rules slider will be an option to actually make other rules, I just couldn't find an appealing UI design.

Rule sets and Rules are shareable similarly to how we share deck codes.

Here's a mock up of a completed Rule Set

"Play" is where you would go if you wanted to play against random players against other players' rule sets, or maybe even a rule set made by a Blizzard employee.

Think of it as a game browser.

Issues, Solutions, and Outcomes.

Issues

Probably the biggest one that will be called out is that it dilutes the player base which is understandable.
Players claim that the wait times for Wild are long enough as it is and more formats or game modes would make it even longer.

Does Tables of Time have longevity?

What if rules conflict with each other?

How will Tavern Brawl be affected?

Replayability

Taverns of Time could be the largest victim of this. I'm not sure how many long time players will dive into old, figured out metas.
But the option is still there for people who would like to dive in.

Solutions

Rules should be made to where if two rules conflict they can't exist in the same rule set. This should be a fail safe that's implemented by Team 5.

As for dilution of the player base, Team 5 should create more incentives to encourage players to branch out into different formats and modes with quests.
They've done it in the past, they just need to do it more often.

To me, Tavern Brawl is more of a stepping stone if anything.
It's existed for several years now and I think it's time to retire it and/or move it into Tables.
It's honestly a perfect fit as well.

Outcomes

I think in general most players will like the idea that they can make their own rules and share them with the Hearthstone community.

Dilution of the player base is a possibility but I firmly believe in having a split player base is better than a non-existent one.

I made this Mode because people were telling me how awesome it would be to have the ability to make their own rules.
So I made a concept that Team 5 should look at and consider.

Once again, if I overlooked anything, didn't explain something entirely, or if you are confused about something just ask.


As always, thank you for reading,
-Grif