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Submitted 9 months, 3 weeks ago by

https://mobalytics.gg/blog/lor-heart-of-the-huntress-thoughts/

Frankly, and I've said this multiple times we won't really know the true impact of the 3 Champs till Eternal ladder opens up

But yes as it stands in standard they numerically inferior in every way to what's good

Namely beater decks and aggro decks

Saying poro king is x good without braum is like saying Evelyn is x good without Siren song it just doesn't work or feel as strong

Similar things can be said about abush/ transform and its general reliance on pokey stick to flip ping based transform creatures or gnar

Bird lady might be the only champion we can definitely say is pretty meh and I will 100% agree with that

But thankfully the more cards that get printed thr better she gets absolutely she's a grower not a shower

But absolutely if you want to make the argument that decks with strong theme ingredients and build around conditions are generally bad right now in standard absolutely

Lurk is down to a negative winrate in standard...lurk the original Unga bunga is not Unga or bunga enough...for standard the format it's supposed to be good in

I dont like lurk I'm just saying somethings definately wrong there

Cuz if lurk can't get it up what chance does ambush have?

So yeah there is a problem with LOR and what works and what doesn't

And it isn't the champ design that's for sure

Keep in mind my big 10 brain solution for fixing midrange frostbite in standard was hmmmm what if I add more burst and put some big overwhelm wolves into it

And you know what it worked cuz or course it did. Part of it is the turbo ash ans leblanc tho so that is case where the Champs get to do some carrying in a non beater capacity which is nice

But 99% of the time I see people play ambush they don't turbo nadalee or try to preserve nar and if you arent doing that it says a lot about your faith in the current balance of power between champions and just hand vommit board state

I think this was a big problem that happened with gwent the minute gold cards or champions feel less important than say spamming pings till you play 3 6/6 bots

Or grinding stats till you have an exodia body and just playing a massive low curve 2/1 spam or anything else that's good right now

When that becomes more important than the Champs you're playing and the new Champs designed by Riot that's when the game stops functioning as intended

  • Nifty129's Avatar
    Banned 590 1235 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 9 months, 3 weeks ago

    https://mobalytics.gg/blog/lor-heart-of-the-huntress-thoughts/

    Frankly, and I've said this multiple times we won't really know the true impact of the 3 Champs till Eternal ladder opens up

    But yes as it stands in standard they numerically inferior in every way to what's good

    Namely beater decks and aggro decks

    Saying poro king is x good without braum is like saying Evelyn is x good without Siren song it just doesn't work or feel as strong

    Similar things can be said about abush/ transform and its general reliance on pokey stick to flip ping based transform creatures or gnar

    Bird lady might be the only champion we can definitely say is pretty meh and I will 100% agree with that

    But thankfully the more cards that get printed thr better she gets absolutely she's a grower not a shower

    But absolutely if you want to make the argument that decks with strong theme ingredients and build around conditions are generally bad right now in standard absolutely

    Lurk is down to a negative winrate in standard...lurk the original Unga bunga is not Unga or bunga enough...for standard the format it's supposed to be good in

    I dont like lurk I'm just saying somethings definately wrong there

    Cuz if lurk can't get it up what chance does ambush have?

    So yeah there is a problem with LOR and what works and what doesn't

    And it isn't the champ design that's for sure

    Keep in mind my big 10 brain solution for fixing midrange frostbite in standard was hmmmm what if I add more burst and put some big overwhelm wolves into it

    And you know what it worked cuz or course it did. Part of it is the turbo ash ans leblanc tho so that is case where the Champs get to do some carrying in a non beater capacity which is nice

    But 99% of the time I see people play ambush they don't turbo nadalee or try to preserve nar and if you arent doing that it says a lot about your faith in the current balance of power between champions and just hand vommit board state

    I think this was a big problem that happened with gwent the minute gold cards or champions feel less important than say spamming pings till you play 3 6/6 bots

    Or grinding stats till you have an exodia body and just playing a massive low curve 2/1 spam or anything else that's good right now

    When that becomes more important than the Champs you're playing and the new Champs designed by Riot that's when the game stops functioning as intended

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    20 2 Posts Joined 07/03/2023
    Posted 9 months, 3 weeks ago

    When this happens, your only likely recourse will be to pack it in. If you can, try to have the reserves for a year of no income.

    mapquest directions

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  • Nifty129's Avatar
    Banned 590 1235 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 9 months, 3 weeks ago

    Additionally the idea that Akshan is a well designed champ definately might have been the case at one point

    But he very quickly became a beat stick for swinging glave in the same way Samara became an accelerator for bot spam

    It's a pretty classic case of the most effective way to win at LOR is to not actually care about your Champs at all to simple use them as a means to an end unless they themselves can exodia and then that's okay keep those dudes alive

    We see decks that are heavily reliant on their Champs like lurk and frostbite and deep generally underperform across all formats because it simple turns out that the 34 other cards in your deck matter more than your champions

    What happened to master yi, or Lee Sin these primary champ build around win conditions that generally "should" be getting better as the game progresses and develops but are in fact getting infinitely worse

    I dont know about you guys but I want to get dragon kicked in the face or void sliced or whatever. At least I know the game is working as intended

    The worst part is I generally don't know how to fix this. They could make pro king roll with a random key word and sometimes he gets spell shield?

    They could make tiger girl create javelin on level instead of strike?

    These things would be good but they wouldn't solve the fundamental problem of...spam 2/1s, exodia, or develop some other non champ related wincon generally being better than your primary champ wincon and as long as that's the case I don't know how the new Champ releases don't continue to be less impactful than they should be

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  • Nifty129's Avatar
    Banned 590 1235 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 9 months, 3 weeks ago

    Oh man 0/17 xolani

    That card was sooooo big!

    Sooooo big

    How did you make such a big card!

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  • Nifty129's Avatar
    Banned 590 1235 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 9 months, 3 weeks ago

    Wow that 0/14 poro was so big

    How'd you make such a big poro?

    Yeah so once again fb lockdown is a solid black sheep pick right now

    Cuz 90% of the decks in standard just want to swing their big dick

    And they can't if it's all shriveled up

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  • Nifty129's Avatar
    Banned 590 1235 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 9 months, 3 weeks ago

    Are you guys literally trying to prove my point lol?!

    Thank you I guess

    I'll take a free harsh winds into ash level up on your renekton and scissors girl

    They were sooooo big what happened?

    Now they all shriveled up

    Like your tiny peneisis...do you understand the metaphor?

    Are you getting this?

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  • Nifty129's Avatar
    Banned 590 1235 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 9 months, 3 weeks ago

    All joking aside I'm not saying frostbite lockdown is a "good deck"

    It's an amazing deck into every dick swinging beater list

    It's a God fucking awful deck into every Jinx aggro list

    But thats the game we play isn't it?

    They call it a meta for a reason you can counter one thing you can't counter both

    Pick your poison

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  • Nifty129's Avatar
    Banned 590 1235 Posts Joined 05/29/2020
    Posted 9 months, 3 weeks ago

    Yep the best deck in standard is literally 0 champion 1 drop spam

    Woooooooo

    Fun

    Siren song nerf when?

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