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What do you consider BM within HS?

Simple question; although I expect very diverse answers... "What do you consider BM within HS?"

Repetitive intentional roping and spamming emotes are probably the most commonly acknowledged BM behaviors.

Now for something more subtle and only noticable by yourself... What about playing a topdecked card (which flips the board state in your favor) instead of playing the exact same copy of that topdecked card which you already had several turns earlier in your hand. Would this also be considered as BM or does it just proof that you are being an ass**le? 😅

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  • Simple question; although I expect very diverse answers... "What do you consider BM within HS?"

    Repetitive intentional roping and spamming emotes are probably the most commonly acknowledged BM behaviors.

    Now for something more subtle and only noticable by yourself... What about playing a topdecked card (which flips the board state in your favor) instead of playing the exact same copy of that topdecked card which you already had several turns earlier in your hand. Would this also be considered as BM or does it just proof that you are being an ass**le? 😅

    • Roping

  • If you play a match while sitting on the toilet, then I would consider that a BM.  

    • Quote From OmarComing

      If you play a match while sitting on the toilet, then I would consider that a BM.  

      Honestly, I would consider this to be the best way to spend some time on the toilet ^_^

    • Quote From OmarComing

      If you play a match while sitting on the toilet, then I would consider that a BM.  

      That would be a shitty game!

  • Quote From NebuchadnezzarHS

    Now for something more subtle and only noticable by yourself... What about playing a topdecked card (which flips the board state in your favor) instead of playing the exact same copy of that topdecked card which you already had several turns earlier in your hand. Would this also be considered as BM or does it just proof that you are being an ass**le? 😅

    There is actually a good reason to do that: it makes your opponent more likely to think you didn't already have the card in your hand, and are therefore unlikely to play around the second copy in the following turn(s). However, if you play the version that's been sat in your hand for a while, the opponent knows you were holding onto it, so the second copy could easily be one of the other cards you've been holding onto. I'm sure game theory could weigh in here, but it's an area of maths that I never studied formally so I'll leave it to someone else to say exactly how (if at all).

    That doesn't stop it being BM if the decision to play the top-decked card was based (partly) on annoying the opponent. The key part here is the intent, rather than the action itself. In other words I consider any action intended to tilt, anger, or otherwise annoy the opponent to be BM, but the same action made without any such intent is fine. Naturally it can be pretty difficult to tell them apart, but at least BM-ers are often kind enough to keep BM-ing to help make it obvious.

    • Quote From AngryShuckie
      Quote From NebuchadnezzarHS

      Now for something more subtle and only noticable by yourself... What about playing a topdecked card (which flips the board state in your favor) instead of playing the exact same copy of that topdecked card which you already had several turns earlier in your hand. Would this also be considered as BM or does it just proof that you are being an ass**le? 😅

      There is actually a good reason to do that: it makes your opponent more likely to think you didn't already have the card in your hand, and are therefore unlikely to play around the second copy in the following turn(s). However, if you play the version that's been sat in your hand for a while, the opponent knows you were holding onto it, so the second copy could easily be one of the other cards you've been holding onto. I'm sure game theory could weigh in here, but it's an area of maths that I never studied formally so I'll leave it to someone else to say exactly how (if at all).

      That doesn't stop it being BM if the decision to play the top-decked card was based (partly) on annoying the opponent. The key part here is the intent, rather than the action itself. In other words I consider any action intended to tilt, anger, or otherwise annoy the opponent to be BM, but the same action made without any such intent is fine. Naturally it can be pretty difficult to tell them apart, but at least BM-ers are often kind enough to keep BM-ing to help make it obvious.

      I totally agree with your assessment, intent is the key here. Often times though, it is hard to keep good and bad intent apart, because a game winning play should at least feel good to 1 of the 2 players and the reverse could be true for the other player. But did the feel good experience come purely from winning the game or also from how extremely well you managed to destroy your opponent? (by making the most optimal plays)

      Furthermore, I think in a digital card game, intent is sometimes hard to get across the screen. You might have the best intent in the world, but if the opponent does not interpret it in the same way then the experience is different. Thus, whether or not some behavior is considered BM is always in the eye of the beholder probably.

  • The hand dump with lethal already on the board. The Play Every Card In Hand instead of simply using that Fireball for lethal. 

    I don't do those (unless my opponent has been a turd all game) or the other mentioned, but I will do the Top Decked copy of a card as a rage trigger. Guilty. :D

     

    • Quote From AbusingKel

      The hand dump with lethal already on the board. The Play Every Card In Hand instead of simply using that Fireball for lethal. 

       

      While I often consider this BM as well, I also have to remind myself that sometimes I also do this.  Usually when I do it it's because a) The opponent has been BM'ing, roping, etc all game long like you said.  Or b) I have a quest of "Play X cards" and needlessly dumping some things from hand helps me complete that quest, or fulfill an achievement for XP gain

      • Quote From Thonson
        Quote From AbusingKel

        The hand dump with lethal already on the board. The Play Every Card In Hand instead of simply using that Fireball for lethal. 

         

        While I often consider this BM as well, I also have to remind myself that sometimes I also do this.  Usually when I do it it's because a) The opponent has been BM'ing, roping, etc all game long like you said.  Or b) I have a quest of "Play X cards" and needlessly dumping some things from hand helps me complete that quest, or fulfill an achievement for XP gain

        That's a good point now that the XP portion has been added. I've also seen players note that they like to see what the opponent had in hand so they don't see it as BM at all. 

  • People who play priest.

    • Quote From iWatchUSleep

      People who play priest.

      As a Priest player, that's honestly fair

  • Roping while playing an aggro deck with 0 mana left and lethal on board while spamming "well played" against a meme deck.

    Or, adding the meme deck player after losing against them to harass them.

    That's outright BM.

  • Reading from replies, I assume BM is "Bad Move", so if it is then
    - Roping is one of them.
    - Another is when your opponent wait until near the time out to execute their lethal but you're unsure if they have it.
    - Another would be opponent emote of saying something like "That's a Mistake" of what I played. And it kinda feel good when I can turn the table and win.

    But for the most part, is opponent adding me as a friend and bad mouthing me coz I owned the game and quickly remove me from the list. That's why I never accept anymore friend if they are recent opponents.

    Wait, turns out there's more than just that simple question. Well, I had my own highlander deck which consist of every tech card that can answer every situation. Armor removal, Anti Secrets, Anti Deathrattle, Weapon Removal, Board clear, Anti Ressurect Priest (like Magtheridon to add useless minions), Silas, plus zephrys if it's lack something else.
    So far, I'm not proud of having a 25% winrates, but I love how opponent sometimes concede in the middle of game because I counter everything they did. I don't know if it's bad move or not, but I'm loving it.

  • ^ You've got the concept right. A+ for comprehension based on context!

    BM = Bad Manners. 

  • i won't mention the popular ones:

    - i play c'thun quest warlock and when i've finished c'tun i like to use my draw hero power to get a 0 and i emote 'Amazing!' and hover a random card even if it's not c'thun lol

    - adding after game to tell me that *insert deck archetype* players have no life etc.

    What i do not consider BM:

    - playing around even if you have lethal and give your opponent a few chances for fun.

    - hovering spells to fake lethal and holding it for half a minute to play with someone's mind (i.e. healing spell over a 1hp enemy hero)

     

     

  • Why these things are not BM:

    • If your opponent has lethal on board, you are perfectly capable of ending the game yourself.
    • If your opponent emotes sarcastically or too much, there's a Squelch command.
    • You don't actually know if the opponent is roping to annoy you or to legitimately think. Either way, it's not that much time, so you can put Nozdormu in every deck or get over it.
    • If you are triggered by which cards your opponent hovers over (seriously?), it's definitely your problem, not theirs.

    The only real BM in Hearthstone is people who send a friend request just to swear at you for playing a certain card, deck, archetype or class.

    • Quote From FortyDust

      Why these things are not BM:

      • If your opponent has lethal on board, you are perfectly capable of ending the game yourself.
      • If your opponent emotes sarcastically or too much, there's a Squelch command.
      • You don't actually know if the opponent is roping to annoy you or to legitimately think. Either way, it's not that much time, so you can put Nozdormu in every deck or get over it.
      • If you are triggered by which cards your opponent hovers over (seriously?), it's definitely your problem, not theirs.

      The only real BM in Hearthstone is people who send a friend request just to swear at you for playing a certain card, deck, archetype or class.

      Saying that sarcastic emoting is not BM because you can just squelch is like saying flooding is not a natural disaster because it can be prevented. Bad manners are still bad manners, regardless of prevention.

      Also, you just defied your own logic there, since you can just deny friend requests.

  • Generically "spamming" Well played at the end of the game as the winner. Always feels condescending when the game was neither interesting nor balanced. I feel like the Well played has to be offered by the loser to the winner which then might return the favour.

     

    Oh and playing tier 1 meta decks in casual :D

  • I dislike people taunting me during the game or telling me that I made a mistake so I auto-squelch everyone I play. Call it bad manners if you like, but I just want to play a game without the harassment. 

    I think it's very bad manors to drag out the game by playing every last card before making the lethal kill. If you have lethal...end the game...but now (thanks to Blizzard's exp system) everyone makes every play they can before ending the game so that they can get more exp.

    • Quote From Bushmaster

      I dislike people taunting me during the game or telling me that I made a mistake so I auto-squelch everyone I play. Call it bad manners if you like, but I just want to play a game without the harassment. 

      I think it's very bad manors to drag out the game by playing every last card before making the lethal kill. If you have lethal...end the game...but now (thanks to Blizzard's exp system) everyone makes every play they can before ending the game so that they can get more exp.

      This is why I either concede before they kill me or just x out of the game. I never squelch people though I have done so about twice ever

  • I'm using emotes mostly for some reactions, greet and such. I mean, normal ways. Not spamming or anything.

    When they never emote back, I know that they squelched at the first moment when we encountered. I consider this as a bm. Think that you re playing this game physically and as soon as you sit, your opponent seals their ears with something. Spamming might annoy everyone, I'm ok with that but you can squelch after bunch of emotes, You don't have to do it instantly whenever you encountered with a human-being.

    I was so annoyed when Quest Druid was in the meta. They were there but they act like they are afk. I really hated that. In my opinion that was a BM as well.

    Also, not accepting friend requests are bad manners in my opinion because I want to say something to my opponent after the games end. Sometimes it was about how they played well, sometimes I want to ask some questions about the game why they decide to do that and sometimes it was all about their nickname, and sometimes it was a different deck and i want to ask for codes but so less people accept it. I can understand that people thinks always the bad side of that; "They added me, They will be toxic about game/deck etc." but it is bad manners to not accept in my opinion. You don't really have to read intentions.

    Other than that, Simple stuff like roping, spamming etc. But Roping after doing their move and spend all of their mana annoys me more than waiting to play until rope comes constantly.