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Good deck for low level climbing?

I'm getting beaten pretty badly at (bronze?) rank 3 while playing the Yasuo deck on the front page.  Perhaps I'm playing it wrong or this just isn't a good deck for this level?  Should I switch to an aggro deck?

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  • I'm getting beaten pretty badly at (bronze?) rank 3 while playing the Yasuo deck on the front page.  Perhaps I'm playing it wrong or this just isn't a good deck for this level?  Should I switch to an aggro deck?

    • Quote From kaladin

      I'm getting beaten pretty badly at (bronze?) rank 3 while playing the Yasuo deck on the front page.  Perhaps I'm playing it wrong or this just isn't a good deck for this level?  Should I switch to an aggro deck?

      that Yasuo is outdated after the nerfs.  Inspiring Mentor was a huge part of its success and that guy isn't nearly as useful anymore.

       

      Going aggro is always the best choice if you have limited cards. Spiders will always be good, but there's also the Noxus-Piltover aggro that doesn't even need champions.

  • At Bronze everything kinda works, as most people there don't even have all the cards to build any consistent deck.

     

    • Quote From Hellcopter

      At Bronze everything kinda works, as most people there don't even have all the cards to build any consistent deck.

       

      Okay thanks.  Um....so......what?  I'm losing to early game perfect draws most of the time.

      • Quote From kaladin
        Quote From Hellcopter

        At Bronze everything kinda works, as most people there don't even have all the cards to build any consistent deck.

         

        Okay thanks.  Um....so......what?  I'm losing to early game perfect draws most of the time.

         

        Unlikely.

        You are probably losing due to lack of skill if it's in bronze ;)

        Or if you truly think it's just due to early game draws, play a deck stuffed full of early game and see how it goes 4 u. 

        Yasuo decks are not straightforward, and not really that strong atm on the scale of things.

        If you want an easy deck to climb fast, just play some brainless spider aggro (shadow isles x noxus)

         

        • Quote From ShakeNBakeUK
          Quote From kaladin
          Quote From Hellcopter

          At Bronze everything kinda works, as most people there don't even have all the cards to build any consistent deck.

           

          Okay thanks.  Um....so......what?  I'm losing to early game perfect draws most of the time.

           

          Unlikely.

          You are probably losing due to lack of skill if it's in bronze ;)

          Or if you truly think it's just due to early game draws, play a deck stuffed full of early game and see how it goes 4 u. 

          Yasuo decks are not straightforward, and not really that strong atm on the scale of things.

          If you want an easy deck to climb fast, just play some brainless spider aggro (shadow isles x noxus)

           

          what i meant was, they have all the answers most of the time, compared to my NONE answers, most of the time.

          this game doesnt seem too different than hearthstone or mtg.  its not like im starting from scratch with zero card game experience.

          • Quote From kaladin

            this game doesnt seem too different than hearthstone or mtg.  its not like im starting from scratch with zero card game experience.

            Friend, the spell mana pool mechanic is what makes this game VERY interesting and different from every other card game i played over the last 22 years.

            I consider Hearthstone to be THE WORST card game atm. If you can't see the clear difference between LOR and HS then you have A LOT to learn on how to play Runeterra.

  • I'm far from an expert on what is currently meta in LoR, but as far as I know Yasuo decks are not that good right now. It all depends on whether you draw your key cards (mainly Yasuo) and if the opponent can answer your Yasuo. If they can, you probably lose, and if they can't, you probably win.

    I think some of the strongest decks right now are control decks, like P&Z + Freljord using either Heimerdinger or Ezreal. However, I think aggro shadow isles decks are still pretty good and those might be a good option for low level climbing.

    Of course, remember that this is still a card game and sometimes (or often, depending on your luck) you just can't win a game no matter what you do. And believe me, there are enough times where I would do well to remember that myself. :)

  • Yasuo is a weak champion. Hilariously enough, the reason the deck does decent is everyone wastes their removal on Yasuo and the beat down units overwhelm the opponent. I know reddit loves vlad and yasuo right now, but they're just not strong.

    The fastest way to climb is to run elusive or fearsome decks. Both are still ridiculously strong and it's nearly impossible to brick on your opening hand with them. Shadow Isles/Ionia is the most broken deck now. You have complete control, lost cost spells, and an answer for everything

  • Cmon man. 

    I didn't say they are literally the exact same game.

    This is a strategy card game.  General concepts like mana efficiency, planning ahead, when to attack and when not to.....that doesn't change. 

    Don't attack me or put words in my mouth.

  • i got out of iron and bronze by simply playing aggro spiders when they were t1. any mistrawith deck should do the trick. elise and hecarim are great champs. try decks of runeterra website and also swimstrim or navioot streams. mobalytics is also great website other than Out of Cards.

    simstrim actually has a website where he states the tier meta decks. only rng that can fuck u now is elnuks. the balance is great overall

    • Quote From Marega

      i got out of iron and bronze by simply playing aggro spiders when they were t1. any mistrawith deck should do the trick. elise and hecarim are great champs. try decks of runeterra website and also swimstrim or navioot streams. mobalytics is also great website other than Out of Cards.

      simstrim actually has a website where he states the tier meta decks. only rng that can fuck u now is elnuks. the balance is great overall

      what do you mean that rng can't screw you over except for in the case of elnuks?  i find that I get pretty boned by rng most of the time. edit: just got my ass handed to me by 8 perfect turns, the last 5 turns were all nut topdecks. i failed to draw a single good card in 8 turns.

  • do i just craft the mushroom cloud deck?  that seems to always win.  is that any good?  i dont think it's my play style but i am running out of patience.  I will play anything that can actually win and not require lucky topdecks.

    • Quote From kaladin

      do i just craft the mushroom cloud deck?  that seems to always win.  is that any good?  i dont think it's my play style but i am running out of patience.  I will play anything that can actually win and not require lucky topdecks.

      Again, I'm far from the best person to point out what is meta and what isn't, but I'm pretty sure mushroom cloud decks are pretty bad except against control decks. Since control decks want to draw a lot of cards, those poison puffcaps screw them over. So if you're facing a lot of control decks and you're fine with spending the amount of resources you need, I'd say go ahead and plant some mushrooms.

    • Quote From kaladin

      do i just craft the mushroom cloud deck?  that seems to always win.  is that any good?  i dont think it's my play style but i am running out of patience.  I will play anything that can actually win and not require lucky topdecks.

      Good god no, man!  Not sure if you mean a Teemo 'shroom deck or an Ezreal 'shroom deck, but either way: those aren't good decks.

      Did you not have luck with Noxus / P&Z burn?  That should DESTROY both the aforementioned--for Teemo, you snipe him with Mystic Shot while applying your own pressure, for Ezrael, you just apply too much damage before he can even level up.  I am usually 50:50 with this deck at Gold using an unrefined list, so you should have no trouble at bronze.

      Here's a more refined list from Swim than the one I listed earlier, but honestly you don't even need to craft this.  I'd say the Boomcrew Rookie, Legion Rearguard, and Precious Pet are all critical; everything else is "what's cheap and deals fast damage?"  If you're still having trouble after that, try watching a few streamers on Youtube.

      • Quote From OldManSanns
        Quote From kaladin

        do i just craft the mushroom cloud deck?  that seems to always win.  is that any good?  i dont think it's my play style but i am running out of patience.  I will play anything that can actually win and not require lucky topdecks.

        Good god no, man!  Not sure if you mean a Teemo 'shroom deck or an Ezreal 'shroom deck, but either way: those aren't good decks.

        Did you not have luck with Noxus / P&Z burn?  That should DESTROY both the aforementioned--for Teemo, you snipe him with Mystic Shot while applying your own pressure, for Ezrael, you just apply too much damage before he can even level up.  I am usually 50:50 with this deck at Gold using an unrefined list, so you should have no trouble at bronze.

        Here's a more refined list from Swim than the one I listed earlier, but honestly you don't even need to craft this.  I'd say the Boomcrew Rookie, Legion Rearguard, and Precious Pet are all critical; everything else is "what's cheap and deals fast damage?"  If you're still having trouble after that, try watching a few streamers on Youtube.

        I suppose what is most tricky for me is the mulligan - for instance, I'm unsure when to keep/mull Mystic Shot.

        • Quote From kaladin
          I suppose what is most tricky for me is the mulligan - for instance, I'm unsure when to keep/mull Mystic Shot.

          Again: watching streamers is great for this stuff.

          In general: you want early minion damage.  The 3 critical cards I mentioned are all great early-game drops.  Pay attention to whether you're attacking on odds or evens because that affects which cards you want to keep.  I think you only want to keep the Mystic Shot to answer an early Teemo or Zed; most of the time, you'll rather have a unit which can attack face a few times and use Mystic Shot / Get Excited! on your last turn to hit face.  The biggest decision is when to open attack versus when to play additional units: you need to do the math to see what happens if you attack as-is, and then guess what will change if you play another unit but give them a chance to play a blocker.  Sometimes that risk is worth the potential reward of playing an additional attacker; sometimes its not.

          Good luck!

  • In my opinion, anything dependent on a specific champion to work properly isn't a good fit for ladder. Decks that build around champions like Jinx and Yasuo basically just write off any game in which they don't draw their centrepiece and are easy prey for decks that pack proper removal. Heimer decks are about the only exception, and that's because they basically carry a thousand and one tools to protect themselves, and even then it's sketchy.

  • Another day, another cardgame in which Kaladin plays absolutely perfectly yet is hardstuck at low ranks because his opponents always  have the perfect answers and topdecks.

    Can you limit your shenanigans to the salt-thread and not litter the rest of the forums with additional threads? Thanks. 

    • Quote From iWatchUSleep

      Another day, another cardgame in which Kaladin plays absolutely perfectly yet is hardstuck at low ranks because his opponents always  have the perfect answers and topdecks.

      Can you limit your shenanigans to the salt-thread and not litter the rest of the forums with additional threads? Thanks. 

      If you feel this thread has been a massive troll or belongs somewhere else or that I have violated the rules in some way, please report the post or me.

      This is a legitimate thread, and I'm sorry you disagree with it.  Yes, sometimes I get frustrated, but I am legitimately seeking help.

  • kaladin my man, if you can craft the mistwraith damacia shadow isles fearsome deck. it was a cancer deck along with elusives pre nerf and now its back again with a different region (damacia, before was ionia) along with elusive decks aswel. check out this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYT3BDpiXzE

    you can see in that video description links to his twitch and website where he writes about the tiers of the meta.

    overall this game is very well balanced, and altho it can attract some portion of HS players the actual game is quite different. top decks is a thing of all card games, and we have been on the bad end practically as much as on the good end of top decking. problem is some ppl like you are very impressionable which means u are gonna notice a lot more times when u are being dicked by rng than when being helped by it.

    the other explanation would be that u are very unlucky. just dont play bad decks and then say ur opponent got good draws. in LoR drawing 2 cards per "turn" makes the top decks more probable specially when they run consistent good decks. oh and by now, ppl have the collection to get a good deck even in bronze. some ppl just spent way too much time on expeditions and unranked just to farm cards and enter rank mode kinda of late, so expect decent decks despite the bronze rank

  • If you want to get better at this game:

    1) Watch some streamers, like swim (my personal favourite). You'll be surprised, like me, how many mistakes you make when playing this game, especially with "hard" decks. Btw, swim also has a website with some decks: https://www.swimstrim.com/

    2) Don't play when tilted. When I see my opponent is drawing nuts, answering my every play... Just stop, get some drink, relax. Playing in this state will only make you whine on the internet about some "broken decks that "insert something"".

    3) Most important: enjoy this game.

    Also, try to craft decks that use cards you already have. You'll save yourself a lot of pain later. And don't craft teemo :p

    Hope I helped a bit ;)

  • Judging by the interactions in this thread, it really does seem like you haven't fully appreciated the subtle -- but extremely important -- differences between this and other card games. My advice would be to watch a streamer, pause frequently to try to predict their plays, and take note when and why you are wrong.

    Most of the time when they do something you didn't expect, it is not just a difference of opinion. And because you have experience with other games, I'm willing to bet your errors have little to do with general fundamentals and everything to do with the many unique aspects of Runeterra.

    • Quote From FortyDust

      Judging by the interactions in this thread, it really does seem like you haven't fully appreciated the subtle -- but extremely important -- differences between this and other card games. My advice would be to watch a streamer, pause frequently to try to predict their plays, and take note when and why you are wrong.

      Most of the time when they do something you didn't expect, it is not just a difference of opinion. And because you have experience with other games, I'm willing to bet your errors have little to do with general fundamentals and everything to do with the many unique aspects of Runeterra.

      That's all I'm saying.  Runeterra isn't a completely different game with completely different strategies.  I didn't realize it would be such a controversial topic to ask for a decent low level deck.  My apologies.

       

      but thank you for the obvious recommendation.

      • There may be some confusion about what you mean by "low level." Were you looking for a budget deck, or something that is simple to pilot?

        I assume you know how to search for budget decks.

        For easier decks to get some practice with the game, try the Fearsome aggro list or maybe Ephemerals. Good Champions for getting your feet wet are Elise and Zed. Also, any Hecarim deck is going to be a powerhouse, and he's pretty straightforward if you don't immediately try to dive in with his combo deck.

        Yasuo is one of the worst Champions for new players, as he is a) actually pretty mediocre, and b) fairly difficult to use well.

        • Quote From FortyDust

          There may be some confusion about what you mean by "low level." Were you looking for a budget deck, or something that is simple to pilot?

          I assume you know how to search for budget decks.

          For easier decks to get some practice with the game, try the Fearsome aggro list or maybe Ephemerals. Good Champions for getting your feet wet are Elise and Zed. Also, any Hecarim deck is going to be a powerhouse, and he's pretty straightforward if you don't immediately try to dive in with his combo deck.

          Yasuo is one of the worst Champions for new players, as he is a) actually pretty mediocre, and b) fairly difficult to use well.

          I know how to search for decks but I haven't been on this site in a while and being that I'm unfamiliar with what's good in Runeterra...and having already crafted a front page deck but doing poorly with it....figured it would be good to go ahead and ask the community.  I may have been wrong. 

          I've more recently been doing okay with a Jinx aggro/face deck.  currently at Silver 4. 

          What do you think of Ashe/Frostbite decks?  I've been playing around with my own build in casual and it's been quite fun. 

          • the frostbite noxus deck is very fun to play but sadly not very top tier. u can roll some wins with it but gets trashed by late greedy decks, and specially the fearsome decks with top end cards like harrowing, elusives if they get the right buffed units and late harrowing rekindler decks that abuse Hecarim like no tomorrow

      • Quote From kaladin
        Quote From FortyDust

        Judging by the interactions in this thread, it really does seem like you haven't fully appreciated the subtle -- but extremely important -- differences between this and other card games. My advice would be to watch a streamer, pause frequently to try to predict their plays, and take note when and why you are wrong.

        Most of the time when they do something you didn't expect, it is not just a difference of opinion. And because you have experience with other games, I'm willing to bet your errors have little to do with general fundamentals and everything to do with the many unique aspects of Runeterra.

        That's all I'm saying.  Runeterra isn't a completely different game with completely different strategies.  I didn't realize it would be such a controversial topic to ask for a decent low level deck.  My apologies.

         

        but thank you for the obvious recommendation.

        Kalaind, budget problems aside, i say if u can play the rally fearsome deck. its on swimstrim website already provided by Elendil. its on the Decks and Meta tab. if u cant have  60% win ratio with that deck on bronze then we might have a problem. that deck is very good and synergizes very well with Hecarim which btw is busted as hell and likely to be nerfed.

  • so....mindless aggro or nothing?  Kinda seems like I either need to play mindless aggro or......uninstall the game.

    • Quote From kaladin

      so....mindless aggro or nothing?  Kinda seems like I either need to play mindless aggro or......uninstall the game.

      I would argue that no deck in Runeterra is mindless--even aggro decks need to weigh what to mulligan, when to open attack, when to trade, how much to hedge against board wipes, etc.

      And if you want to try a control deck then by all means go for it--the most successful decks on ladder right now are either Karma + Demacia(Lux)/P&Z(Heimer)/SI or Frej+SI Warmothers Calling.  I just suspect you're going to find those decks even more frustrating than the aggro decks.

      • Quote From OldManSanns
        Quote From kaladin

        so....mindless aggro or nothing?  Kinda seems like I either need to play mindless aggro or......uninstall the game.

        I would argue that no deck in Runeterra is mindless--even aggro decks need to weigh what to mulligan, when to open attack, when to trade, how much to hedge against board wipes, etc.

        And if you want to try a control deck then by all means go for it--the most successful decks on ladder right now are either Karma + Demacia(Lux)/P&Z(Heimer)/SI or Frej+SI Warmothers Calling.  I just suspect you're going to find those decks even more frustrating than the aggro decks.

        I'll give those a look.  Why would you suspect that?  I have always been more a fan of control decks.  Even in my Hearthstone days I pretty much always laddered with slow/control decks.

  • Karma + SI?