So I watched the stream and its fun times seeing all these old favorites come back.
Here's some comments from myself;
- Stormwind and alterac absolutely dominated the deck choices Ive seen. No surprises here. Quest and hero cards are simply one step above most other cards.
- Not having neutral cards is actually limiting the variety, but more importantly, virtually guarantee that tech cards arent going to be a thing. So no weapon destructions, only two classes have silences, etc.
- Havent seen an aggro deck around, but that's hardly surprising. Most classes cant do it without neutral cards
So is it a mode Im looking forward to? Well...likely no. And the reason is because the stormwind quests are back (and in many cases unnerfed) and I simply dont want to go through all that again. Which brings me to the question of balancing, is team5 going to balance things at all in this mode? Or are they planning a twist every 2 months so balance is technically unnecessary?
Like all the other classes there's some element of RNG involved because ETC clearly has the better hp and deck.
The key is to mulligan hard for the early hp cards and just go from there. Beaten him on 2nd try (first try he just deleted my hp cards). Once you have about 4-5 attack you should be well on your way to run him out of options. Unfortunately, as mentioned, that layer of RNG can still save him.
That druid deck is not good. But from my experience so far its probably the most consistent of the bunch. If youre wondering how bad the other classes are, play dhunter. I only won because the ETC skipped 4 early turns, probably just out of pity because I was absolutely raging at the end.
Druid is not great. You need to draw well and hope ETC draws badly. I have lost 6 in a row to him and am still trying. He has so much more draw that you cannot run him out of threats, and so much life that you cannot aggro him down. I honestly don't know how anyone can win with druid without being incredibly lucky.
I have been begging for years for a mode like this and am beyond happy they finally introduced it! Now I need to start begging for my "Dragon Age Mode" (Core, BRM, DoD, GA, Onyxia's Lair) for the ultimate Dragon meta! 🐲🐲🐲
1. Bot spam - good deck that I'm increasingly less impressed with as time goes by. Song spinner can high roll or low roll on 7, you can level Samara to give bots rally or you can wiff...so basically an average ping heavy combo deck
2. Jax Orn - got one new card otherwise it's just your Archetypal midrange beat stick deck. Easily countered, easily beaten.
3. Timelines - not S tier or even on the tier list. Timelines I still think should be on banablaster, mtg teaches us that having a body that kills on 4 is good and it's no different in LOR
4. Aphelios - gravatum! Pretty sure the deck does other things but I haven't seen it so it's the bide your time and gravatum and ping till everything is dead deck...not A tier I don't think
5. Pirate aggro - putting pirate aggro as the top aggro deck of eternal is correct. But they aren't using my S tier build so it's only A tier.
6. Temo Zoe - love this deck it's very sneaky and counters what's good. Don't forget to open pass till turn 3 and then buff temo Zoe, and play at the same time for the attack.
7. Temo Tristana - has a tiny tiny play rate to the point you won't see it. But atrocity tristana is a deck just not one anyone is playing.
8. Lux - doing very poorly right now
9. Draven - people gave him like a 5 second chance when the new card was released and he immediately plummeted in win rate.
10. Ryze - ryze is doing worse than he ever has in eternal right now, play anything else
So in conclusion I don't believe Majin or Mobalytics are presenting a complete picture of the eternal meta right now.
They mostly bounce between meme lists that are overperforming and then bounce off them when they get countered.
Bot spam isn't a big deal, Jax isn't a big deal, timelines isn't even on the map.
Want to know what's a big deal?
Aggro decks with a 60% climb rate thats right 60% the highest aggro has ever performed in LOR history.
Yes, unfortunately I had to go through that cycle myself, hit a brick wall then had no choice but to keep headbutting until it cracked because no way in hell I was going to go through 8 bosses again.
Best advice I can give others is actually to win the first match then have a good look at your bs deck, because all of them bar none is filled with tripe cards that will otherwise never be played.
To put some examples. DK deathrattle deck. What's the deathrattle? Is it eggs, is it anything that spits out other minions? Is it at least Cage Head? Nope. Its Invincible. Deck filled with shit like Mosh Pit, Cool Ghoul, deathrattle enablers, etc. But not a single good deathrattle in it.
Seriously. Who the fuck made this brawl and what is he smoking. What a missed opportunity to create something great along the lines of rumble run.
God, what a slog. I played priest simply because that was my daily quest. Deck has NO draw, literally none. Plus one of the cards is a "spell" that's just the health/lifesteal option of Fanboy. Cleared the first 7 bosses easy because the AI was dumb. Then I hit Voone and had to fight him 8 times before I won. His deck is entirely rush with buffs, and I couldn't keep anything alive long enough to heal or overheal. Plus he gets a 1 mana 3/4 rush? That's fair. Finally won because I managed to stick a Hedanis on curve and he didn't have an answer. Really frustrating, won't go back.
That's halveria and her Abyssal Bassist. Not a bad outcast deck to be fair. Really dangerous, because she has initiative for days and her deck isn't filled with shit like magnifying glaive. She actually has felerin too, just to thumb her nose at your bs dhunter deck.
If ETC fizzles out against you, then you probably got lucky. Not trying to be disrespectful, but that deck has four powerful reload cards, playing an optimized deck, and your deck is more often than not filled with at least 6 useless cards. Of the many retries Ive made, ETC only fizzled out once, and I still only won because he drew like shit.
Pretty nice brawl this. I can confirm that if you lose you dont restart, you can go again, and good thing too, because these decks aren't all that great and Rin is absolutely a monster to fight against.
Edit:
For anyone wondering, the last boss is against ETC playing a really strong warrior menagerie deck.
Oh, and dhunter deck absolutely suck on this one. I dont think they could have built a worse outcast deck even if they tried. Snakebite? Well thats not good but not that bad. Magnifying Glaive though? Like thats taking the piss
Just one more edit:
If you dont want to waste your time to get past this brawl, try druid. HP druid at least has consistency as long as you dont get screwed. A good example of how team5 waters down the power level of your deck: it actually has Amplified Elekk in it. Just so you cant consistently pull out your hp cards with Peaceful Piper. Oh and there's Blood Treant too, a card that absolutely doesn't belong anywhere near this deck. Probably that's why its in it.
From what I remember of playing Violet months ago, I was swimming in money pretty early on and rare candies drop like...well, like candy. Could be nice for those starting out, but I don't see it as a reason to hop back into the game.
With this range of sets and no neutrals allowed, Pure Paladin might be very dominant, as it was already good several times in the respective metas and other classes will not have an upside to playing no neutral cards.
Maybe Thief Rogue also gets a boost from not discovering neutral cards, but I don't expect that to be nearly as significant as the Pure Paladin advantages.
This looks so exciting for people who have kept all their wild cards. Unfortunately me and many people dust wild cards as they rotate in order to keep up with standard and have most of the cards. Buying decks with gold is great value but I wonder if they will offer dust refunds for sets that rotate out of twist. Because if they don't then this format will have very little attraction to newer players as your cards will get useless for unknown amount of time.
And for the love of God I hope they make all classic cards refundable since 95% of those will become useless. I spent about 30k dust just to craft classic cards as I thought that format will be evergreen and keep on growing.
Nope, no info yet as far as I know. It will be really interesting to see how this plays out imo, because I'd expect those decks to be at least somewhat competitive which ususally comes with a certain dust cost. So maybe this is an opportunity to get dust / cards for a better gold ratio than from packs, no matter if you actually want to play Twist.
Preview Hearthstone's New Twist Format Today & Earn 9 Free Card Packs
So I watched the stream and its fun times seeing all these old favorites come back.
Here's some comments from myself;
- Stormwind and alterac absolutely dominated the deck choices Ive seen. No surprises here. Quest and hero cards are simply one step above most other cards.
- Not having neutral cards is actually limiting the variety, but more importantly, virtually guarantee that tech cards arent going to be a thing. So no weapon destructions, only two classes have silences, etc.
- Havent seen an aggro deck around, but that's hardly surprising. Most classes cant do it without neutral cards
So is it a mode Im looking forward to? Well...likely no. And the reason is because the stormwind quests are back (and in many cases unnerfed) and I simply dont want to go through all that again. Which brings me to the question of balancing, is team5 going to balance things at all in this mode? Or are they planning a twist every 2 months so balance is technically unnecessary?
Preview Hearthstone's New Twist Format Today & Earn 9 Free Card Packs
MC Blingtron is the only one afaik.
Battle of the Bands
Like all the other classes there's some element of RNG involved because ETC clearly has the better hp and deck.
The key is to mulligan hard for the early hp cards and just go from there. Beaten him on 2nd try (first try he just deleted my hp cards). Once you have about 4-5 attack you should be well on your way to run him out of options. Unfortunately, as mentioned, that layer of RNG can still save him.
That druid deck is not good. But from my experience so far its probably the most consistent of the bunch. If youre wondering how bad the other classes are, play dhunter. I only won because the ETC skipped 4 early turns, probably just out of pity because I was absolutely raging at the end.
Battle of the Bands
Druid is not great. You need to draw well and hope ETC draws badly. I have lost 6 in a row to him and am still trying. He has so much more draw that you cannot run him out of threats, and so much life that you cannot aggro him down. I honestly don't know how anyone can win with druid without being incredibly lucky.
Preview Hearthstone's New Twist Format Today & Earn 9 Free Card Packs
While day dreaming about the new mode, I noticed that there isn't any weapon removal available ...
Hope I'm wrong on this one!
Preview Hearthstone's New Twist Format Today & Earn 9 Free Card Packs
Even though it's just 1 pack for each expansion, it's still 9 packs which can help the dust collection
Preview Hearthstone's New Twist Format Today & Earn 9 Free Card Packs
Thank you for the reminder of the Twitch drops <3
Introducing Twist, the New Hearthstone Format Replacing Classic Mode - Details Inside!
I have been begging for years for a mode like this and am beyond happy they finally introduced it! Now I need to start begging for my "Dragon Age Mode" (Core, BRM, DoD, GA, Onyxia's Lair) for the ultimate Dragon meta! 🐲🐲🐲
Reviewing Mobalytics Eternal Tier List
https://mobalytics.gg/blog/lor-best-eternal-decks/
1. Bot spam - good deck that I'm increasingly less impressed with as time goes by. Song spinner can high roll or low roll on 7, you can level Samara to give bots rally or you can wiff...so basically an average ping heavy combo deck
2. Jax Orn - got one new card otherwise it's just your Archetypal midrange beat stick deck. Easily countered, easily beaten.
3. Timelines - not S tier or even on the tier list. Timelines I still think should be on banablaster, mtg teaches us that having a body that kills on 4 is good and it's no different in LOR
4. Aphelios - gravatum! Pretty sure the deck does other things but I haven't seen it so it's the bide your time and gravatum and ping till everything is dead deck...not A tier I don't think
5. Pirate aggro - putting pirate aggro as the top aggro deck of eternal is correct. But they aren't using my S tier build so it's only A tier.
6. Temo Zoe - love this deck it's very sneaky and counters what's good. Don't forget to open pass till turn 3 and then buff temo Zoe, and play at the same time for the attack.
7. Temo Tristana - has a tiny tiny play rate to the point you won't see it. But atrocity tristana is a deck just not one anyone is playing.
8. Lux - doing very poorly right now
9. Draven - people gave him like a 5 second chance when the new card was released and he immediately plummeted in win rate.
10. Ryze - ryze is doing worse than he ever has in eternal right now, play anything else
So in conclusion I don't believe Majin or Mobalytics are presenting a complete picture of the eternal meta right now.
They mostly bounce between meme lists that are overperforming and then bounce off them when they get countered.
Bot spam isn't a big deal, Jax isn't a big deal, timelines isn't even on the map.
Want to know what's a big deal?
Aggro decks with a 60% climb rate thats right 60% the highest aggro has ever performed in LOR history.
That sounds S tier to me...just maybe idk
What To Do After You Hit Masters?
Just to give an example Annie Jhin is probably the most basic aggro deck in LOR from a playstyle perspective.
In standard this is the best deck in the game and will stay that way possible forever.
In eternal its just "a deck" an aggro deck in a sea of other aggro decks many of which statistically out perform it.
Thats just one "genre" of deck where we have gone from 1 possibility to 3 or 4.
Now multiply that across midrange control, and combo and the possibilities are endless if you don't suck.
I guess the one good thing about standard is deep and lurk is more competitive?
Hurray for lurk players bleh!
What To Do After You Hit Masters?
I never found climbing in LOR to be hard.
Like standard sure the format is a joke.
But in OG LOR it's win 4 games lose 1
Take a break rinse and repeat for an easy climb.
People will try to start hard countering you, because of course they will any good original deck needs a hard counter
But if you take health breaks they will have to climb against everyone else and then you just break out the op again a day later.
Now hitting rank 1 masters necessitates meta decks and I dont want to do that it isn't fun for me and its not playing to LOR's strengths.
Battle of the Bands
Yes, unfortunately I had to go through that cycle myself, hit a brick wall then had no choice but to keep headbutting until it cracked because no way in hell I was going to go through 8 bosses again.
Best advice I can give others is actually to win the first match then have a good look at your bs deck, because all of them bar none is filled with tripe cards that will otherwise never be played.
To put some examples. DK deathrattle deck. What's the deathrattle? Is it eggs, is it anything that spits out other minions? Is it at least Cage Head? Nope. Its Invincible. Deck filled with shit like Mosh Pit, Cool Ghoul, deathrattle enablers, etc. But not a single good deathrattle in it.
Seriously. Who the fuck made this brawl and what is he smoking. What a missed opportunity to create something great along the lines of rumble run.
Battle of the Bands
God, what a slog. I played priest simply because that was my daily quest. Deck has NO draw, literally none. Plus one of the cards is a "spell" that's just the health/lifesteal option of Fanboy. Cleared the first 7 bosses easy because the AI was dumb. Then I hit Voone and had to fight him 8 times before I won. His deck is entirely rush with buffs, and I couldn't keep anything alive long enough to heal or overheal. Plus he gets a 1 mana 3/4 rush? That's fair. Finally won because I managed to stick a Hedanis on curve and he didn't have an answer. Really frustrating, won't go back.
Battle of the Bands
That's halveria and her Abyssal Bassist. Not a bad outcast deck to be fair. Really dangerous, because she has initiative for days and her deck isn't filled with shit like magnifying glaive. She actually has felerin too, just to thumb her nose at your bs dhunter deck.
If ETC fizzles out against you, then you probably got lucky. Not trying to be disrespectful, but that deck has four powerful reload cards, playing an optimized deck, and your deck is more often than not filled with at least 6 useless cards. Of the many retries Ive made, ETC only fizzled out once, and I still only won because he drew like shit.
Battle of the Bands
ETC always runs out of steam pretty quick.
It's the dude that pulls out the tickatus looking dudes with lifesteal & taunt that overwhelm me
Battle of the Bands
So far, Warlock seems pretty bad too but I made it through using Mage by the skin of my Hero Power.
Battle of the Bands
Pretty nice brawl this. I can confirm that if you lose you dont restart, you can go again, and good thing too, because these decks aren't all that great and Rin is absolutely a monster to fight against.
Edit:
For anyone wondering, the last boss is against ETC playing a really strong warrior menagerie deck.
Oh, and dhunter deck absolutely suck on this one. I dont think they could have built a worse outcast deck even if they tried. Snakebite? Well thats not good but not that bad. Magnifying Glaive though? Like thats taking the piss
Just one more edit:
If you dont want to waste your time to get past this brawl, try druid. HP druid at least has consistency as long as you dont get screwed. A good example of how team5 waters down the power level of your deck: it actually has Amplified Elekk in it. Just so you cant consistently pull out your hp cards with Peaceful Piper. Oh and there's Blood Treant too, a card that absolutely doesn't belong anywhere near this deck. Probably that's why its in it.
What New Games Are Coming Out Today, June 21, 2023 - Trepang2 & Kingsblood
Thanks! Will be buying Kingsblood :D
Pokemon Scarlet & Violet Introduces a New Mystery Gift With Nuggets & Rare Candies!
From what I remember of playing Violet months ago, I was swimming in money pretty early on and rare candies drop like...well, like candy. Could be nice for those starting out, but I don't see it as a reason to hop back into the game.
Introducing Twist, the New Hearthstone Format Replacing Classic Mode - Details Inside!
With this range of sets and no neutrals allowed, Pure Paladin might be very dominant, as it was already good several times in the respective metas and other classes will not have an upside to playing no neutral cards.
Maybe Thief Rogue also gets a boost from not discovering neutral cards, but I don't expect that to be nearly as significant as the Pure Paladin advantages.
MmentoMori
This game was fun and interactive when it came out. However, expansions totally killed its magic. mapquest driving directions
Introducing Twist, the New Hearthstone Format Replacing Classic Mode - Details Inside!
Thanks for the info, anchorm4n! I guess I have some more achievement hunting to do 😂
Introducing Twist, the New Hearthstone Format Replacing Classic Mode - Details Inside!
This looks so exciting for people who have kept all their wild cards. Unfortunately me and many people dust wild cards as they rotate in order to keep up with standard and have most of the cards. Buying decks with gold is great value but I wonder if they will offer dust refunds for sets that rotate out of twist. Because if they don't then this format will have very little attraction to newer players as your cards will get useless for unknown amount of time.
And for the love of God I hope they make all classic cards refundable since 95% of those will become useless. I spent about 30k dust just to craft classic cards as I thought that format will be evergreen and keep on growing.
Introducing Twist, the New Hearthstone Format Replacing Classic Mode - Details Inside!
Previous Battle-ready decks they offered cost like 20$. So it's probably going to be something around 1.5k-2k gold if they stick to the price.
Introducing Twist, the New Hearthstone Format Replacing Classic Mode - Details Inside!
Nope, no info yet as far as I know. It will be really interesting to see how this plays out imo, because I'd expect those decks to be at least somewhat competitive which ususally comes with a certain dust cost. So maybe this is an opportunity to get dust / cards for a better gold ratio than from packs, no matter if you actually want to play Twist.