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I mean...nice meme, but that's not really the case anyways, unless they make it so normals don't give exp.

I'd even say this makes it worse, because it enforces people grinding games faster which means probably doing so in a low risk environment...like normals.

that second one is literally just as much of a scam.

It's basically "hey, craft ALL the cards you want from the current expansion...but only now....not afterwards"

Meaning, as a f2p,, you'll need to gamble to figure out which cards are going to be the most useful because if they become viable later you're losing a huge amount of dust.

As a whale I want the pay rewards on all 150 level.

not only The first 50 level.

If this goes through I'm done forever.

Battle Passes are a huge psychological scam that basically lures you into playing more to max out rewards even if you didn't plan to before. As a result you get a false sense of "I'm really invested in this game, I'm playing so much", which makes you more likely to spen money, because after all "you are spending a lot of time on this game anyways".

Battle Passes are only acceptable when limited to cosmetic content (see Paladins for example) and even then they're garbage because you need to spend lots of money and time if you want a particular skin and get a whole bunch of nothing alongside it that you're neveer gonna need.

In Hearthstone however this is almost exclusively in game progress being locked behind a pay- and timewall. No more "I'll just do my dailies I'm kinda burned out". If you want to keep up you have to put in, I assume, at least 1-2 hours daily, if not more. This in turn puts a lot of pressure on you to actually win games (I'M assuming EXP is based on win/loss) meaning f2p players will be forced to play meta decks instead of memeing around.

Also, notice how this is the result of the whole no-duplicate rule. They can only get away with this because the new system makes it easier to get all the commons and rares in an expansion, therefore lowering the amount of packs you realistically have to buy. I suspected this would lead into more aggressive monetization but I hoped it wouldn't be garbage like this.

Either way, fortunately I'm not that impressed with the current expansion anyways, so if this does go through (and I assume it will seeing how it's all planned out) I'm just gonna quit for good and never come back....unless of course they somehow manage to make the f2p pass similar in time investment to how it works currently (which I doubt, especially since it looks like they're focussing on giving out packs more than gold, which is useless to f2p players because we want to save up for the next expansion and not get a bunch of cards from expansions we already crafted all the necessities)

I mean...I was hoping Runeterra would be a serious competitor to Hearthstone, but I didn't think they'd make them actively commit suicide.

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Thanks for the tips, guys, but after reading Flux's recent article I decided to hoard the accumulated gold for the time being.

Thanks again. I appreciated your feedback.

I thought Blizzard were trying to appeal to a greater audience and draw people in. Not actively encourage them to leave. When is that Reddit AMA again?

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I am no longer a free to play player (haven't been for awhile), ... Even as a paying player I spend at least the $80 on each expansion mega bundle. I could get everything else without spending more money. 

Same here.  I've been getting pre-purchases, usually the larger one, and saving up gold.  I'm currently only a few legendary minions away from having all of Scholomance, and I recently completed Outland.  The rarity protection really helped make that happen as it used to be harder to get a wide variety of epics than it was to get legendaries.  But now I didn't have to spend dust on epics and could make more of the legendaries.

But anyway, if they make this change I personally don't know what I will do.  If they give us ample opportunity to earn gold other than just what's in the battle pass, such as leaving gold rewards in the daily quests, then I'll probably keep going on with what I do now, and maybe throw in $20 more for a battle pass from time to time.  But if they really hamstring our ability to earn and stockpile gold, I'm going to be pissed and likely quit the game.  Or at the very least, stop paying any real money for cards and just playing with my existing collection and whatever I can earn.

I got 4 packs. I didn't need any cards but free dust is always appreciated.

After finishing the free card quests and spending just a bit of credits on card packs (I was considering leaving most of it in case I return at a better time for control players who like to face off against other control decks) ... yeah, this news just makes my planned walking away easier.

In your face grinds aren't fun. 

Stuff that worked and how much based on my play so far

+ Soul Shard Zoo - It's quite decent. You can now play minions while trying to pull scrap imp as there are many more ways that you can re-stock your hand that synergizes with the deck. The soul shards also help offset all the self-damage you can do. I didn't have the zombie giants yet but the deck was working nicely. The raise dead 0 cost spell works great in this deck. It can blow out unrefined decks.

- Soul Shard Agro Demon Hunter - It's not good, but it doesn't gell as the soul shard cards slow its early game too much and it lacks finishing power. 

+ Pure paladin - It was good and it's been boosted. It is versatile and powerful with strong offense, healing, and removal.

+ Buff paladin- If blessings of authority hit unopposed, it's game over. You have to have an answer for this play or you are in deep trouble. This is a scary good deck but might be easy for other decks to target in the meta.

+ Buff Priest - It snowballs like mad if you can't stop it. It has a deeper bench than a paladin, but it also feels like a deck you can target to beat and be successful in denying it because it's a bit limited in its deck building.

+ Spell Druid - It's stronger and more consistent than ever before, but I think people need to adjust their old builds. I've seen many fail to take good advantage of the new card selection.

I think the early meta will center around paladin and priest buff decks along with druid (which variant I'm not sure yet as I don't have the cards for the beast ramp deck).

Control decks will need some time to formulate the best reaction to these decks but I think control could still find a way. Shaman may have the best tooks to but a hard block on priest/paladin. Warrior needs a shift in perspective I think. The defenses from the last meta are not well suited to this meta but I think they have all the tools they need to find a way, it just need to find a way to close out the game while staying alive.

GG WP Blizzard. F2P is dead, when the next expansion hits. Removing Quests and earing gold individually on player's own speed, but force them to get limited rewards sounds like a trap for casuals and whales, who should pay more, if they  want more cards. You will no longer be able to get a great amount of gold with this new system.

So they are making the gold income worse? That's really sucks.... 

Wow, if this comes true, it will really suck. There is only 5240 gold available to acquire through this system in total, and I manage to collect about 20k gold per expansion with current systems in total. This is enough to get some needed legendaries and craft the others. If this system comes live in the presented variant, I'll probably just drop HS. Guess the time comes =)

i got Ysiel! thx twitch!

its cool to get xp and then earn rewards, but the biggest problem is GOLD. community always wanted to get more golds from 3 wins and the new system offers less? that sucks. i like the hole thing except gold rewards.

and btw, "Crafting cost discounts for cards from the current expansion" this is great. crafting costs are so high.

I don't like this. The community is already much smaller than it was before and hell no I'm not gonna be paying for these after I spend 50$ every expansion. 150$ a year is already too much for me for 1 game and I've been collecting 9000-12000 gold between every expansion just so together with the 50-60 preorder packs I can get almost all the cards.

If they do this battle pass thing i can't get my 9000 gold and ofc I'm not paying more than 150$ so blizz can fuck off.

This is horrendous. I manage to save up enough gold to buy about 60 to 70 packs every expansion and that's not really enough. I do get the pre-purchase packs as well, and combined it's usually enough that I only have to craft some of the good cards.

But that's impossible if you only get 40 to 50 packs smeared out over months instead of those 60 packs at the start of the season. It means you can't compete without buying a lot more packs with real money.

I'm just stunned that their response to having competition that's more generous in their rewards is to get stingier. Does Kotick need a fourth swimming pool filled with money or something?

yeah I've thought about that one. Having coin will deal 40 instead of 30 but didn't know what to remove. I'm removing the northshire then :)

The current idea would be to replace gold that you could earn outside of the battle pass.

I'm a little confused... dailies will no longer award gold?  Instead just awarding XP to progress the battle pass?  That's how I read the screenshot about potential changes being dailies rewarding XP for the battle pass progression.  I feel like that could be a bad idea, and may actually make it so F2P players earn LESS gold/packs throughout an expansion cycle.  Hopefully they mean that currently they only reward gold, but they could change they to ALSO reward XP for the pass progression.  A combination of current gold rewards from quests plus a battle pass could actually be very rewarding for all players, and especially for F2P players.

Never mind, I just realized there is a note that this system would remove gold from daily rewards, etc.  I'm not sure I like this idea as the current info presented here makes me feel like the game will be less rewarding overall.  Maybe I'm wrong, but why not maintain gold rewards AND introduce a battle pass rewards system?  That's how MtGA is set up.

With what is shown in this survey it looks like a really bad deal for F2P players. Capping their gold earnings is going to make their life extremely difficult. I managed to farm 3000 gold in one month of diligent play before this expansion came out. That's almost the total value the players could get if this system was implemented this way. Unless they just decide to give their soul to Blizzard and play like 10+ hours per day they aren't going to be able to purchase enough packs for a comfortable start on a new expansion. These numbers need some serious tweaks. Otherwise, i'd say this is most certainly a trap. In my case, i give the paid pass a pass. These cosmetics don't interest me and a non disenchantable legendary isn't a good deal as the card could just suck and rot in the collection without any use. I wish i could disenchant Zayle, Shadow Cloak as i never used that card since the decks it provides just suck. 

Basically, it introduces problems which players can get through by buying the solutions. It's basically a roundabout scam .

You are welcome OldManSanns. I also play it because its fun.

Also simp is a perfectly chosen word for someone who... idk... posts things like: "Ah yes, some random user links a deck on a website that has roughly 50 LoR users and because of him everyone starts playing it in ranked.  Way to go champ, you solved the meta. Take this virtual pat on the back, you've more than earned it."  There are plenty of more colorful but less polite words I could have picked that would also fit.

To all of the people who didn't want casual to award gold for wins because of net decks in casual, you got what you wanted, at the expense of less gold and packs in between each expansion due to the battle pass.

#carefulwhatyouwishfor