And the argument that they start with less total cards than the others only truly matter in wild, and I'm commenting on standard. I think that goes without saying.
Demon Hunter has a grand total of 45 class cards, period. 45 cards for all possible archetypes and deck builds you might want to make.
After rotation, every other class will have about 70 class cards to use in Standard, for all possible archetypes and builds. This is enough for variety, and it allows bad cards to be absorbed without affecting the ability to still build a deck. If a typical percentage of DH cards were average, niche, below average, or just plain weird (every class gets a few of these kinds every expansion), they wouldn't have enough cards leftover for more than 1-2 different archetypes at the absolute best case scenario.
Given they have a bit more than half as many class cards as other classes in standard after rotation, their cards have to have a higher average quality, or the class would be essentially unplayable at its launch.
Basically a bigger Hellfire. I am glad Demon Hunter has a good board clear in the basic set so that a control Demon Hunter always has the possibility of being viable.
I am a bit worried that this class will be very hard to balance for at least a month after it is released. Is everyone playing it because it is super OP? Or just because it is new? And is it bad and nobody knows it because very few people are interested in playing classes other than Demon Hunter?
No matter how powerful the class is, everyone will play it anyway. People might complain that it is oppressive and OP, but until the hype dies down a bit and other classes start seeing more play, it will be kind of hard to tell.
So I've been thinking about it and this might actually be pretty good In Plot twist Warlock.
YOu run Broodmother, Betrug and the new Enhanced Dreadlord as your demons, then sruvive until the Betrug turnand use it with Plot Twist to get out a bunch of stuff to stabilize as well as Kanrethad (the base form) so you get to shuffle at least two Primes in the deck, which will act as your lategame powerplays and will usually res something good (Betrug, taunts or lifesteal demons).
Unfortunately there isn't any way to shuffle more Primes
Why shuffle more primes when you can get it off Expired Merchant instead? if you keep the coin or generated it, you can easily just coin Mortal Coil and play the prime with another prime in hand.
This can actually help control warlock get some value instead of using Dragonqueen Alexstrasza.
If you completed your champions just don't. It gives 600 shards instead but there is still chances that it can be upgraded to champion wildcard tho. I've played mine, got 1200 shards + 1 champion wildcard + shards from my wins which i really don't remember. Since I also finished all of my regional rewards and those experiences only gives me vault level (There is not another reward tree; you can see this thread of me), expeditions gives me nothing but shards now.
So, if you completed regions and champions like me, just save your tokens for future.
Well, I really don't know after new changes, They will activate those season road level or not because it now gives unlimited vault levels so it might be possible to be activated it right now.
I don't know if they've stated something about Expeditions already running when the patch will hit, but if nothing have been said it's far better to even retreat with 0-0 and get a free Champion than keep playing and achieve 7 victories because the rewards will not be so good after Tuesday.
So I've been thinking about it and this might actually be pretty good In Plot twist Warlock.
YOu run Broodmother, Betrug and the new Enhanced Dreadlord as your demons, then sruvive until the Betrug turnand use it with Plot Twist to get out a bunch of stuff to stabilize as well as Kanrethad (the base form) so you get to shuffle at least two Primes in the deck, which will act as your lategame powerplays and will usually res something good (Betrug, taunts or lifesteal demons).
Unfortunately there isn't any way to shuffle more Primes
Kanrethad Ebonlocke is great for Turn-2 swing in Zoolock, with cheap demons at hand (up to 5-6 minions down for 2-mana), with room to grow more and more reliable the more 1-cost efficient Demons they release, especially in Wild. If only we had a Crystology for Warlocks...
Kanrethad Prime is excellent to generate great swing turns in later game, especially for a Midrange Demonlock.
However, for Wild purposes Kanrethad Prime is battlecry, and it might be a problem in Cubelock, especially with Skull of the Man'ari: trying to get it to work without impairing your summons might be too clunky, especially in later turns.
Yeah, good idea. Expedition started before the patch should have the old reward system still, so even if you dont finish it, it is good to start it.
And if you have more than one token, it is probably even worth just going for 0-0, since a random champion is going to be worth more shards than the 7win reward after the patch. I guess they said that they would compensate anyone with an active token, what that means tho, i dont know. Would you get full entry fee value? Would you get just the difference between the old and new one? Not sure.
if I understood well from tuesday expeditions will not grant Champions anymore ! remember to use the expedition today or tomorrow - no champion otherwise !
Yes, i know, but that is another card on top for mere 10 dmg. Yes, it is a thing that can happen and it might even happen in a deck running all these cards from time to time, but i very much doubt that it will be the finisher you strive for. But hey, maybe it will happen, who knows.
"I'll do my best to get to grips with how Demon Hunter's are going to function at a base level, and trust you all only to come back here if I was 100% right to shower me with praise."
Theres like no reason to exploit this since we are all guaranteed to play the prologue anyway. I dont remember an adventure that got me wanting to play it day 1 before moving into standard since KotFT.
You were not guaranteed 60g quests. I play on 3 regions so see 3 quests (or up to 6 with reroll) each day and occasionally got a 50g quest (which I always rerolled to 60g).
But 60g was the most likely - and 50g was rare (for me at least).
Since the patch now I'm primarily getting 50g each day and 50g with reroll. I'm reluctant to assume my experiences (and tiny sample size) applies to everyone and is indicative of a change, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was.
Happy for this to be a bug but I suspect it was actually what it was supposed to be all along.
edit: rereading this post I overused parentheses. I won't do it anymore (I am lying).
Reliquary of Souls Shaman
Wild · Galakrond Shaman · by Doctorpoptarts · 6 years, 6 months ago
You can make this in a non-galakrond version but I love the value that you get from Galakrond.
You use Fist of Ra-Den with 1 mana spells to summon the only 1 cost legendary in the game next expansion, reliquary of souls.
Pretty simple with control support to help you survive.
Our Thoughts on Hearthstone's Upcoming Demon Hunter Basic Set
Demon Hunter has a grand total of 45 class cards, period. 45 cards for all possible archetypes and deck builds you might want to make.
After rotation, every other class will have about 70 class cards to use in Standard, for all possible archetypes and builds. This is enough for variety, and it allows bad cards to be absorbed without affecting the ability to still build a deck. If a typical percentage of DH cards were average, niche, below average, or just plain weird (every class gets a few of these kinds every expansion), they wouldn't have enough cards leftover for more than 1-2 different archetypes at the absolute best case scenario.
Given they have a bit more than half as many class cards as other classes in standard after rotation, their cards have to have a higher average quality, or the class would be essentially unplayable at its launch.
New Demon Hunter Spell - Chaos Nova
Basically a bigger Hellfire. I am glad Demon Hunter has a good board clear in the basic set so that a control Demon Hunter always has the possibility of being viable.
Bug- gettign 50 gold quests
I think it is where I tried to delete it.
Bug- gettign 50 gold quests
I too got a 50 gold quest and rerolled into another 50 gold quest. This has happened at most one time since the last update to daily quests.
I beat Nithogg and now I have 20 demon hunter cards
It does look like they get added straight into your collection.
Our Thoughts on Hearthstone's Upcoming Demon Hunter Basic Set
I am a bit worried that this class will be very hard to balance for at least a month after it is released. Is everyone playing it because it is super OP? Or just because it is new? And is it bad and nobody knows it because very few people are interested in playing classes other than Demon Hunter?
No matter how powerful the class is, everyone will play it anyway. People might complain that it is oppressive and OP, but until the hype dies down a bit and other classes start seeing more play, it will be kind of hard to tell.
New Warlock Minion - Kanrethad Ebonlocke
Why shuffle more primes when you can get it off Expired Merchant instead? if you keep the coin or generated it, you can easily just coin Mortal Coil and play the prime with another prime in hand.
This can actually help control warlock get some value instead of using Dragonqueen Alexstrasza.
Bug- gettign 50 gold quests
I am noting that now new quests are much more likely to be 50g, and rerolling 50g often results in a new 50g quest.
Not addressing rerolling 60g into 50g (which you are right is intended to be 100% chance).
:)
use your expedition tokens!
If you completed your champions just don't. It gives 600 shards instead but there is still chances that it can be upgraded to champion wildcard tho. I've played mine, got 1200 shards + 1 champion wildcard + shards from my wins which i really don't remember. Since I also finished all of my regional rewards and those experiences only gives me vault level (There is not another reward tree; you can see this thread of me), expeditions gives me nothing but shards now.
So, if you completed regions and champions like me, just save your tokens for future.
Well, I really don't know after new changes, They will activate those season road level or not because it now gives unlimited vault levels so it might be possible to be activated it right now.
use your expedition tokens!
I don't know if they've stated something about Expeditions already running when the patch will hit, but if nothing have been said it's far better to even retreat with 0-0 and get a free Champion than keep playing and achieve 7 victories because the rewards will not be so good after Tuesday.
Bug- gettign 50 gold quests
I overuse parentheses (a lot) too, don't worry.
This is a bug you were guaranteed to get a 60 gold quest when you re rolled a 60 gold quest you will always get a 50 one:
https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Patch_15.6.0.35747
I can't find the patch where it was introduced but I strictly remember this change being made!
The Golden Animations of Ashes of Outland & Demon Hunters - Some Great Art!
So, no more golden neutral cards bonus as we level up Illidan to 50-ish?
New Warlock Minion - Kanrethad Ebonlocke
So I've been thinking about it and this might actually be pretty good In Plot twist Warlock.
YOu run Broodmother, Betrug and the new Enhanced Dreadlord as your demons, then sruvive until the Betrug turnand use it with Plot Twist to get out a bunch of stuff to stabilize as well as Kanrethad (the base form) so you get to shuffle at least two Primes in the deck, which will act as your lategame powerplays and will usually res something good (Betrug, taunts or lifesteal demons).
Unfortunately there isn't any way to shuffle more Primes
Our Thoughts on Hearthstone's Upcoming Demon Hunter Basic Set
could easily be twenty damage if you build your deck around it and DH isn't exactly short on draw.
New Warlock Minion - Kanrethad Ebonlocke
Kanrethad Ebonlocke is great for Turn-2 swing in Zoolock, with cheap demons at hand (up to 5-6 minions down for 2-mana), with room to grow more and more reliable the more 1-cost efficient Demons they release, especially in Wild. If only we had a Crystology for Warlocks...
Kanrethad Prime is excellent to generate great swing turns in later game, especially for a Midrange Demonlock.
However, for Wild purposes Kanrethad Prime is battlecry, and it might be a problem in Cubelock, especially with Skull of the Man'ari: trying to get it to work without impairing your summons might be too clunky, especially in later turns.
use your expedition tokens!
Yeah, good idea. Expedition started before the patch should have the old reward system still, so even if you dont finish it, it is good to start it.
And if you have more than one token, it is probably even worth just going for 0-0, since a random champion is going to be worth more shards than the 7win reward after the patch. I guess they said that they would compensate anyone with an active token, what that means tho, i dont know. Would you get full entry fee value? Would you get just the difference between the old and new one? Not sure.
use your expedition tokens!
if I understood well from tuesday expeditions will not grant Champions anymore ! remember to use the expedition today or tomorrow - no champion otherwise !
Our Thoughts on Hearthstone's Upcoming Demon Hunter Basic Set
Yes, i know, but that is another card on top for mere 10 dmg. Yes, it is a thing that can happen and it might even happen in a deck running all these cards from time to time, but i very much doubt that it will be the finisher you strive for. But hey, maybe it will happen, who knows.
Get a Legends of Runeterra Twitch Prime Capsule with Wildcards and an Expedition Token
remember to use the expedition today or tomorrow - no champion otherwise !
Battlefiend
Haha this is true.
Our Thoughts on Hearthstone's Upcoming Demon Hunter Basic Set
"I'll do my best to get to grips with how Demon Hunter's are going to function at a base level, and trust you all only to come back here if I was 100% right to shower me with praise."
I lol'd
I beat Nithogg and now I have 20 demon hunter cards
Theres like no reason to exploit this since we are all guaranteed to play the prologue anyway. I dont remember an adventure that got me wanting to play it day 1 before moving into standard since KotFT.
Bug- gettign 50 gold quests
You were not guaranteed 60g quests. I play on 3 regions so see 3 quests (or up to 6 with reroll) each day and occasionally got a 50g quest (which I always rerolled to 60g).
But 60g was the most likely - and 50g was rare (for me at least).
Since the patch now I'm primarily getting 50g each day and 50g with reroll. I'm reluctant to assume my experiences (and tiny sample size) applies to everyone and is indicative of a change, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was.
Happy for this to be a bug but I suspect it was actually what it was supposed to be all along.
edit: rereading this post I overused parentheses. I won't do it anymore (I am lying).
Bug- gettign 50 gold quests
I rolled like a 50 into another 50. Never had that happen to me for like the past three months. So no idea whats going on.
But hey, at least there's some incentive to reroll every day.