The help text for Quick Attack reads "While attacking, strikes before its blocker."
Oops - teaches me to try quoting from memory instead of checking my facts. Thanks for correcting me. In that case, however, I definitely regard Katarina's interaction with Single Combat as a bug. If she dies as a result of the enemy's strike, she shouldn't be able to recall.
They will most likely not, for example you can get Morgl even today for free
Completely forgot that you get him from that „Recruit a Friend"-Thing.
But, could still be possible though that they'll offer him in the Shop (and maybe rework the „Recruit a Friend"-Rewards?). I mean, Tyrande was a special Event Skin untill they made her available for Everyone. Same goes for Khadgar.
unlikely, they always did the Year of the X announcement a few weeks before the expansion announcement. It would also be a information overload if they have a really big announcement for the year of the Phoenix.
Man I forgot how much of a shitshow lower ranks in wild are. Guess I need to play some aggro decks to plow through this shitshow and get back to rank 5+ to face all the fun secret mages again.
@DescentOfDragonsOp – That card is just Shadowmourne but half the cost since you don’t have to play DK Garrosh AND you can have 2. Raise the cost (6 or 7) or maybe lower the stats to 3/2?
with the forked sword im not planning for a Cave Hydra weapon card i just wanted a card that only hits the adjacent minions of the minion you chose to attack
Karma - I don't think she is overpowered and i can see why her doubling spell doesn't disappear if she dies before spell triggers but well, this is not so healthy in my opinion and it is not just for an archetype.
The problem with trying to change this is that the spell is already on the stack, even if she dies. If her effect was simply that the spell triggers twice, that would be one thing, but she casts it twice, so it ends up on the stack and I think it would be less intuitive if these spells were somehow removed in a way no other spell can be removed from the stack.
Ok they won't leave bodies on the field but changing the rule is better than nerfing all ephemeral units in my opinion. It already punishes you to spend your resources to temporary units. This change will answer most of the broken situations about them, Hecarim/Mark of the Isles/Darkwater Scourge/Death Mark etc. instead of nerfing all of these cards seperately.
Yes, they're generally overstated units, but if they die to any damage source (i.e. can be killed before combat by taking any damage at all), then anyone playing Ephemeral units gets both the punishment of buying temporary units (as you said) and a new extra punishment of often losing those units to extremely cheap removal tools before they could eke any value out of those temporary attackers. This change would certainly answer the most broken Ephemeral problems in the game, but it does it by nerfing Ephemeral into the ground and making it largely unplayable as a strategy.
This change makes elusive units more attack-oriented like how they are used right now. Unbuffed elusives are not an issue already. This change makes players more attentive when they should attack and prevents the game being braindead face game
This just seems like another nerf into the ground. If you lose Elusive when you attack, then your units are bad for most of the time you have them (that is, you've traded one guaranteed nexus strike for a relatively weak unit). You seem to think this would make players more thoughtful with their attacks (e.g. I build up a board of Elusive units before attacking), but really that would mean you have two choices - build a board while doing nothing else for a while, or attack with one unit every other turn and be stuck with weak non-Elusive units afterwards. The former gets beaten down by any other aggro deck, and the latter never builds up enough pressure on board to win against midrange or control. It's lose lose.
Speeding up/Slowing down might bring some other issues. I really don't get it why it is so hard and confusing to understand this. A single-use buff should be single-use. That's so simple. +2 health buff for a round should stay for one round. Shouldn't heal the unit. It doesn't make the unit die suddenly after the turn ends because it will go back to its previous health once the turn ends.
The issue comes up when your buff exceeds the remaining HP of the unit. Let's say I've played a +3|+3 buff on an injured 3/1 unit, made a trade, and now my unit is a 6/2. Does removing the buff kill my unit because -3|-3 would leave it at 3/-1? Does removing the buff only do -3|-1 so that my unit returns to its earlier 3/1 state? If it's the former, a lot of buffs will seem kind of pointless because you're frequently getting a 1-for-2 trade out of your units (i.e. you lose a unit and a buff to make a trade). If it's the latter, then the debuff is going to be no more inconsistent than it is now in terms of how many stats are dropped off.
It was a flavour related suggestion at first tbh. and then i figured that might help for some other broken interactions with Relentless Pursuit and random Shadowshifts/Prismatic Barriers from Karma while you don't have any Lux or Zed in your deck.
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Contrarily to you, I really think that this opens more deckbuilding opportunities rather than limiting it. If you want to use Death Lotus in your Vladimir deck, You should try a Katarina/Vladimir deck instead of throwing 2x Death Lotus without a Katarina in your deck for example.
This feels and seems openning more opportunities for deckbuilding for me. Also seems more logical for that The singature spells are cast by those champions.
I get it from a flavor standpoint, but by the very nature of what your'e suggesting, it's going to limit deckbuilding options. Take your example: if you want to use Death Lotus and Vladimir today, you have several options:
Your version removes one of those three options, and notably it removes the one that helps most with deck diversity because of the rules around Champion inclusions in a deck. In your version, if a particular signature spells is massively OP in a given archetype, then that Champion will be an auto-include even if you'd like to try to build that deck with a different Champion or set of Champions.
Afterall, the Dragon had nothing to do with the themes in RoS.
The exact opposite can be said with the Year of the Raven and The Witchwood and the Year of the Kraken and Whispers of the Old Gods.
If we really want to push this pattern, RoS had nothing to do with Dragons because the whole Year was a single story narrated throughout multiple expansions, so Ros, but not even SoU or DoD we complete by themselves.
I personally don't like the idea to always trying to find some sort of like between themes and expansions (I mean, it's there, but I don't get crazy trying to think about it), so how about we just see what will come? After all, we're never gonna be prepared.
I am not sure the leaked image is so much of a spot-on for the Throne of Elements?
While year of the Phoenix strongly recalls of Al'ar and Outland in general, the given image is so generic that yes, you could be right, but it it could also be literally anything...
Eg. The Rise of Vashj'r (from the bottom of the sea), or The Rage of Proudmoore, or The Maelstrom. Etc.
Afterall, the Dragon had nothing to do with the themes in RoS, so the Phoenix doesn't necessarily lead to Outland/Nagrand.
I wonder if there is a Reason they put alt Skins (Lunara, Medivh and Morgl) in this Picture. Maybe they wanna put them into the Shop after the Announcement?
... Or maybe they thouhgt „Lol, let's just take some Randos and make them team up!"
Edit: Am I seeing this wrong? Have they really turned into Stone?
They will most likely not, for example you can get Morgl even today for fre
I've thought first she needs to survive and played around it always but tried it while i have the attack token (while her Quick attack is active), she turned back to my hand even tho she didn't survive. I'm not so sure that was a bug or intended tho.
Now that you mention is, the description of Quick Attack says that it's active "while attacking," doesn't it? That phrasing could indicate that a Single Combat resolving during combat takes Quick Attack into account. It's ambiguous, though.
The help text for Quick Attack reads "While attacking, strikes before its blocker." In that way, it behaves just like Overwhelm - it only applies during combat, and only with respect to the blocking unit if such a unit exists.
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Or maybe it's like that Stormrage novel where everyone thought about Illidan Stormrage.
But no! It had to be fucking Malfurion.
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nothing becuase it only hits adjacent minions of the minion you target
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Oops - teaches me to try quoting from memory instead of checking my facts. Thanks for correcting me. In that case, however, I definitely regard Katarina's interaction with Single Combat as a bug. If she dies as a result of the enemy's strike, she shouldn't be able to recall.
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Completely forgot that you get him from that „Recruit a Friend"-Thing.
But, could still be possible though that they'll offer him in the Shop (and maybe rework the „Recruit a Friend"-Rewards?). I mean, Tyrande was a special Event Skin untill they made her available for Everyone. Same goes for Khadgar.
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unlikely, they always did the Year of the X announcement a few weeks before the expansion announcement. It would also be a information overload if they have a really big announcement for the year of the Phoenix.
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Man I forgot how much of a shitshow lower ranks in wild are. Guess I need to play some aggro decks to plow through this shitshow and get back to rank 5+ to face all the fun secret mages again.
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What is supposed to happen if your opponent has only one minion on the board and you try to hit it?
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with the forked sword im not planning for a Cave Hydra weapon card i just wanted a card that only hits the adjacent minions of the minion you chose to attack
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The problem with trying to change this is that the spell is already on the stack, even if she dies. If her effect was simply that the spell triggers twice, that would be one thing, but she casts it twice, so it ends up on the stack and I think it would be less intuitive if these spells were somehow removed in a way no other spell can be removed from the stack.
Yes, they're generally overstated units, but if they die to any damage source (i.e. can be killed before combat by taking any damage at all), then anyone playing Ephemeral units gets both the punishment of buying temporary units (as you said) and a new extra punishment of often losing those units to extremely cheap removal tools before they could eke any value out of those temporary attackers. This change would certainly answer the most broken Ephemeral problems in the game, but it does it by nerfing Ephemeral into the ground and making it largely unplayable as a strategy.
This just seems like another nerf into the ground. If you lose Elusive when you attack, then your units are bad for most of the time you have them (that is, you've traded one guaranteed nexus strike for a relatively weak unit). You seem to think this would make players more thoughtful with their attacks (e.g. I build up a board of Elusive units before attacking), but really that would mean you have two choices - build a board while doing nothing else for a while, or attack with one unit every other turn and be stuck with weak non-Elusive units afterwards. The former gets beaten down by any other aggro deck, and the latter never builds up enough pressure on board to win against midrange or control. It's lose lose.
The issue comes up when your buff exceeds the remaining HP of the unit. Let's say I've played a +3|+3 buff on an injured 3/1 unit, made a trade, and now my unit is a 6/2. Does removing the buff kill my unit because -3|-3 would leave it at 3/-1? Does removing the buff only do -3|-1 so that my unit returns to its earlier 3/1 state? If it's the former, a lot of buffs will seem kind of pointless because you're frequently getting a 1-for-2 trade out of your units (i.e. you lose a unit and a buff to make a trade). If it's the latter, then the debuff is going to be no more inconsistent than it is now in terms of how many stats are dropped off.
I get it from a flavor standpoint, but by the very nature of what your'e suggesting, it's going to limit deckbuilding options. Take your example: if you want to use Death Lotus and Vladimir today, you have several options:
Your version removes one of those three options, and notably it removes the one that helps most with deck diversity because of the rules around Champion inclusions in a deck. In your version, if a particular signature spells is massively OP in a given archetype, then that Champion will be an auto-include even if you'd like to try to build that deck with a different Champion or set of Champions.
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Is Hearthstone Going Full Burning Crusade? The Newest Expansion May be in Outland, Home of Illidan Stormrage
In fact, my point was exactly that the image is too unclear, as it is the "storm", and the Phoenix does not necessarily help.
It could be anything so far.
Is Hearthstone Going Full Burning Crusade? The Newest Expansion May be in Outland, Home of Illidan Stormrage
The exact opposite can be said with the Year of the Raven and The Witchwood and the Year of the Kraken and Whispers of the Old Gods.
If we really want to push this pattern, RoS had nothing to do with Dragons because the whole Year was a single story narrated throughout multiple expansions, so Ros, but not even SoU or DoD we complete by themselves.
I personally don't like the idea to always trying to find some sort of like between themes and expansions (I mean, it's there, but I don't get crazy trying to think about it), so how about we just see what will come? After all, we're never gonna be prepared.
Is Hearthstone Going Full Burning Crusade? The Newest Expansion May be in Outland, Home of Illidan Stormrage
I am not sure the leaked image is so much of a spot-on for the Throne of Elements?
While year of the Phoenix strongly recalls of Al'ar and Outland in general, the given image is so generic that yes, you could be right, but it it could also be literally anything...
Eg. The Rise of Vashj'r (from the bottom of the sea), or The Rage of Proudmoore, or The Maelstrom. Etc.
Afterall, the Dragon had nothing to do with the themes in RoS, so the Phoenix doesn't necessarily lead to Outland/Nagrand.
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They sure are prone to "accidents".
Is Hearthstone Going Full Burning Crusade? The Newest Expansion May be in Outland, Home of Illidan Stormrage
They will most likely not, for example you can get Morgl even today for fre
Some Funny Katarina/Ephemeral Interactions
The help text for Quick Attack reads "While attacking, strikes before its blocker." In that way, it behaves just like Overwhelm - it only applies during combat, and only with respect to the blocking unit if such a unit exists.