I legitimately cannot fathom being this adamantly upset about someone else getting a free, fundamentally useless cosmetic. It's not like you paid forit and now others are getting it for free, or other people are getting packs/legendaries that actually have an impact on the game, or whatever. It's a hero skin and a card back - something nobody will see 95% of the time when you're playing any hero besides Priest or anyone who doesn't use this particular card back on the deck you're playing.
To preface my remarks - I don't support the OP, and I think their anger over something entirely cosmetic is totally unwarranted, especially in the context of the unfairly limited release of the Tyrande hero skin back in 2016.
This is getting way into the weeds of how the business model of the internet works, but I think you could make an argument that people who got Tyrande back in 2016 did actually pay for it. For some, it may have meant getting Amazon Prime/Twitch Prime (which costs money)*, and for everyone it meant linking your Amazon, Twitch, and Blizzard accounts, thereby paying Blizzard with information about you and your Twitch viewing preferences. By contrast, this time around Tyrande is being used as a means of simultaneously fixing the unfairness of the original release while also promoting the new in-game store. It requires jumping through zero hoops and sharing zero data with Blizzard that they don't already have.
Your data has value, and so in that sense, if you have Tyrande already you did pay for it (or at least traded for it). Of course, fixing the online commercialization of personal data is way outside the scope of Hearthstone, and in most cases Tyrande was and remains free in the monetary sense of the word.
*Many people probably already had Amazon Prime accounts, or could have gotten a free trial for the Tyrande promotion, but theoretically this costs money that someone might not otherwise spend, and I have seen nothing in the OP's remarks which specify whether that was the case for them.
Mage deck was harder to make, I really want to make elemental synergies work, but it may prove that the new cards, although quite good, are not enough. And as far as the dragon package goes, Arcane Breath and Malygos are just too good to skip, so the list of potential cards is very big.
I agree that Shooting Stars should be better then Frostbolts, repleced that. As for Arcane Int - the idea is that the draw 3 spells quest and Luna should be enough, definitely not sure bout it, will add AI if that is not enough.
As far as the curve goes, I believe this deck should be played like cyclone mage, ie hold some cards for explosive combos, there isn't a really good curve with minions here (Chenvaala is an exeption). And I don't believe another giants can be squeezed into - I don't know what to cut, anything seems to somehow cripple the deck.
As for amalgamations - that's an idea I didn't think about - they are a perfect glue for both synergies, but nothing more really, so if ele and dragon chains won't work, I'll think about adding them. EDIT: it may be a good idea to replace Azure Explorers with them, definitely something to try out - Amalgams with Ele Evo aren't a joke.
True that. I decided to focus on the dragon aspect of the arena, that will be big part of it, but not everything. You identified correctly, that Faceless Corruptor will probably be one of the strongest cards in arena overall, Bonemare level broken ... possibly more? We shall see how often will it get offered.
Thanks for all the constructive criticism. I totally overlooked that Whelp interaction, yes, lol! That makes her a lot worse now.
About the grammar and stuff, yeah, it is more a "i spent several hours putting it all together and was flushed out to see everything", but i agree, i should step it up next time ;-)
Cards like Faceless Corruptor give you such a big advantage if you play a tempo/zoo type of deck, even if you play a midrange one, i think is one of that card which will ruin the day for a lot of players, i will be quiet glad if they ban it, to just allow us enjoy our dragons cards.
Thank you for the lovely list of things to keep note of as we head into the next Arena season, mates.
One thing to tack on to your discussion of Dragonmaw Poacher: The Whelps that Nightbane Templar summons are dragons, so keep that in mind if you want to put it out on turn 3! Don't want those scaly bois to become eggs benedict before they can hatch.
Otherwise, not to let it detract from how much I appreciate this sort of content, but I would love to see articles on this site be more polished than this one. Lowercase I's, several text abbreviations, some misspelled words, and fragmented sentences make this read more like a fan forum post than an official site article. If you'd like help with editing, I would be happy to do so (though I suspect that the errors are more due to time crunch than lack of skill).
Almaniarra: Honestly I'm really asking this not being snide - Is this whole thread a piece of performance art on how many downvotes you can collect with a single unpopular opinion?
I legitimately cannot fathom being this adamantly upset about someone else getting a free, fundamentally useless cosmetic. It's not like you paid forit and now others are getting it for free, or other people are getting packs/legendaries that actually have an impact on the game, or whatever. It's a hero skin and a card back - something nobody will see 95% of the time when you're playing any hero besides Priest or anyone who doesn't use this particular card back on the deck you're playing.
I think the people who already own tyrande shouldn't be upset about other people owning tyrande, and they also shouldn't ask for compensation or ask for sympathy that their skin isn't exclusive anymore or anything else. People shouldn't worry about what other people have, Blizzard told you that if you have amazon prime then you will get the skin, so you signed up for a free trial and got the skin. And now, you still have the skin, and that should be enough for you. It shouldn't matter that other people have the skin now, it should only matter that you still have the skin, just like you were promised.
Here is a story to help illustrate my point:
There was a man who owned a field, and he was looking to hire some people to work in the field. So he went into town at around nine o'clock and found some people not doing anything so he said to them "come work in my field and I will pay you two silver coins". They agreed and they started working in the field. Then he did the same thing at around noon, and three. At five o'clock he found some men not doing anything and he asked them "why are you not working?" they said "because no one has hired us" so he said "go work in my field, and I will pay you two silver coins". So they agreed and went to work in his field. Then at the end of the day the man called in all of the workers from the field so he could give them their pay. He started with the ones who were called last, and ended with the ones who he called first. When the workers who were called first saw that everyone else was being paid two silver coins, they thought they would get more because the worked longer, but they were still paid only two silver. They were angry and said '‘These who were hired last worked only one hour and you have paid them the same as us who have been working all day". He answered them "I am not being unfair to you. Didn’t you agree to work for two silver coins?Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you.Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?".
You agreed to start a free amazon trial and fake your location to get tyrande, and you got exactly what you were promised. Don't be upset that other people got the same thing for less, you got this skin for a fair price, and that should be enough for you.
As you would expect with a combo deck, it gets absolutely destroyed by aggro 80+% of the time, and absolutely destroys control and other combo decks 80+% of the time.
How will you use Chenvaala, will you play it on 3 hoping it sticks to cast three spells on 4, or do you wait for a later turn to combo it in one go with Apprentice, so on a juicy turn 5 you play SA+Chen+(infinite amount of spells)+Evocation+Cyclone+couple of 5-5s and see your opponent conceide on turn 6.
If you add the spell that adds the 2 0-2 taunts you might also use the Sea Giant which then at the end of your train are probably at 0-cost if your opponent also has some minions on the board still. Not very likely due to all your spells cast, but just a thought. They are not elemental nor dragon though, but could be a free 8-8.
Great write up! I'm an all-over-the-place Hearthstone fan, from solo to Arena and everything in between, and it's nice to have some great insight on a mode I enjoy, thanks!
Deep within the forest, there is a great battle. The nearby villagers look out to it on the horizon. It could not be ignored, for the clashes of steel taint the night, and the crisp glow of the arcane paint the shadows. They fear. Not for what is happening, but for what's about to come.
Our heroes are locked in combat against the swarm of the Widow. Their focus cannot be broken as they brave forward. Had it broken the signs would have been clear. The once tranquil forest has become restless. As the leaves have burned and the trees fallen from the conflict, the spirit of the forest rises to defend itself. The earth shakes violently as the forest uproots.
Our heroes are in peril...
Introducing 3 new bosses from the heart of the forest. The Treeant and the Moon Oak have risen up against you. And there is another. It is everywhere, and it is all things around you. Be wary brave heroes, for the forest fights back!
Updated to Game Client v0.1.1
- Introducing 3 new bosses! - The "end turn" button will skip the discard phase if you have no cards in hand. - There is a button to return to the main menu from the victory or defeat screen. - Game client no longer pauses when in the background. - Fixed a bug where battle animations were not spawning at a characters position. - The deck editor respects the character limits for deck name and description.
About Tyrande's coming back and The value Blizzard gives older players( WARNING: SALT THREAD ! )
To preface my remarks - I don't support the OP, and I think their anger over something entirely cosmetic is totally unwarranted, especially in the context of the unfairly limited release of the Tyrande hero skin back in 2016.
This is getting way into the weeds of how the business model of the internet works, but I think you could make an argument that people who got Tyrande back in 2016 did actually pay for it. For some, it may have meant getting Amazon Prime/Twitch Prime (which costs money)*, and for everyone it meant linking your Amazon, Twitch, and Blizzard accounts, thereby paying Blizzard with information about you and your Twitch viewing preferences. By contrast, this time around Tyrande is being used as a means of simultaneously fixing the unfairness of the original release while also promoting the new in-game store. It requires jumping through zero hoops and sharing zero data with Blizzard that they don't already have.
Your data has value, and so in that sense, if you have Tyrande already you did pay for it (or at least traded for it). Of course, fixing the online commercialization of personal data is way outside the scope of Hearthstone, and in most cases Tyrande was and remains free in the monetary sense of the word.
*Many people probably already had Amazon Prime accounts, or could have gotten a free trial for the Tyrande promotion, but theoretically this costs money that someone might not otherwise spend, and I have seen nothing in the OP's remarks which specify whether that was the case for them.
Freeze Mill Mage (Saviors of Uldum edition)
If you think you are getting 500 upvotes you are fooling yourself.
I am not trying to be rude, I just really hate when this "please give me up-votes if you want to know anything about the deck" thing.
If you have the means to make a good guide, then just make the guide.
Elemental shaman and mage decks
Mage deck was harder to make, I really want to make elemental synergies work, but it may prove that the new cards, although quite good, are not enough. And as far as the dragon package goes, Arcane Breath and Malygos are just too good to skip, so the list of potential cards is very big.
I agree that Shooting Stars should be better then Frostbolts, repleced that. As for Arcane Int - the idea is that the draw 3 spells quest and Luna should be enough, definitely not sure bout it, will add AI if that is not enough.
As far as the curve goes, I believe this deck should be played like cyclone mage, ie hold some cards for explosive combos, there isn't a really good curve with minions here (Chenvaala is an exeption). And I don't believe another giants can be squeezed into - I don't know what to cut, anything seems to somehow cripple the deck.
As for amalgamations - that's an idea I didn't think about - they are a perfect glue for both synergies, but nothing more really, so if ele and dragon chains won't work, I'll think about adding them. EDIT: it may be a good idea to replace Azure Explorers with them, definitely something to try out - Amalgams with Ele Evo aren't a joke.
Descent of Dragons - Arena Preview
Well, a hearty "thanks for fightin' the good fight" to you all! It doesn't go unseen. :D
Descent of Dragons - Arena Preview
It's nice to see some Arena players are around, we dont have much traction in the Arena section of the forum sadly :(
Descent of Dragons - Arena Preview
True that. I decided to focus on the dragon aspect of the arena, that will be big part of it, but not everything. You identified correctly, that Faceless Corruptor will probably be one of the strongest cards in arena overall, Bonemare level broken ... possibly more? We shall see how often will it get offered.
About Tyrande's coming back and The value Blizzard gives older players( WARNING: SALT THREAD ! )
I'll give him some protection:
Descent of Dragons - Arena Preview
Thanks for all the constructive criticism. I totally overlooked that Whelp interaction, yes, lol! That makes her a lot worse now.
About the grammar and stuff, yeah, it is more a "i spent several hours putting it all together and was flushed out to see everything", but i agree, i should step it up next time ;-)
Descent of Dragons - Arena Preview
Cards like Faceless Corruptor give you such a big advantage if you play a tempo/zoo type of deck, even if you play a midrange one, i think is one of that card which will ruin the day for a lot of players, i will be quiet glad if they ban it, to just allow us enjoy our dragons cards.
Descent of Dragons
Release time EU
About Tyrande's coming back and The value Blizzard gives older players( WARNING: SALT THREAD ! )
I'd like to drop a little something on this thread. No one attack or silence it please.
Elemental shaman and mage decks
I feel like any deck that runs two tribes benefits massively from Nightmare Amalgam...especially MAge right now
Best Quest
The 1 cost pulled by Desert camel doesn't count toward the quest
Descent of Dragons - Arena Preview
Thank you for the lovely list of things to keep note of as we head into the next Arena season, mates.
One thing to tack on to your discussion of Dragonmaw Poacher: The Whelps that Nightbane Templar summons are dragons, so keep that in mind if you want to put it out on turn 3! Don't want those scaly bois to become eggs benedict before they can hatch.
Otherwise, not to let it detract from how much I appreciate this sort of content, but I would love to see articles on this site be more polished than this one. Lowercase I's, several text abbreviations, some misspelled words, and fragmented sentences make this read more like a fan forum post than an official site article. If you'd like help with editing, I would be happy to do so (though I suspect that the errors are more due to time crunch than lack of skill).
One day 'til expansion release. Yeehaw!
About Tyrande's coming back and The value Blizzard gives older players( WARNING: SALT THREAD ! )
Almaniarra: Honestly I'm really asking this not being snide - Is this whole thread a piece of performance art on how many downvotes you can collect with a single unpopular opinion?
I legitimately cannot fathom being this adamantly upset about someone else getting a free, fundamentally useless cosmetic. It's not like you paid forit and now others are getting it for free, or other people are getting packs/legendaries that actually have an impact on the game, or whatever. It's a hero skin and a card back - something nobody will see 95% of the time when you're playing any hero besides Priest or anyone who doesn't use this particular card back on the deck you're playing.
About Tyrande's coming back and The value Blizzard gives older players( WARNING: SALT THREAD ! )
I think the people who already own tyrande shouldn't be upset about other people owning tyrande, and they also shouldn't ask for compensation or ask for sympathy that their skin isn't exclusive anymore or anything else. People shouldn't worry about what other people have, Blizzard told you that if you have amazon prime then you will get the skin, so you signed up for a free trial and got the skin. And now, you still have the skin, and that should be enough for you. It shouldn't matter that other people have the skin now, it should only matter that you still have the skin, just like you were promised.
Here is a story to help illustrate my point:
There was a man who owned a field, and he was looking to hire some people to work in the field. So he went into town at around nine o'clock and found some people not doing anything so he said to them "come work in my field and I will pay you two silver coins". They agreed and they started working in the field. Then he did the same thing at around noon, and three. At five o'clock he found some men not doing anything and he asked them "why are you not working?" they said "because no one has hired us" so he said "go work in my field, and I will pay you two silver coins". So they agreed and went to work in his field. Then at the end of the day the man called in all of the workers from the field so he could give them their pay. He started with the ones who were called last, and ended with the ones who he called first. When the workers who were called first saw that everyone else was being paid two silver coins, they thought they would get more because the worked longer, but they were still paid only two silver. They were angry and said '‘These who were hired last worked only one hour and you have paid them the same as us who have been working all day". He answered them "I am not being unfair to you. Didn’t you agree to work for two silver coins? Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?".
You agreed to start a free amazon trial and fake your location to get tyrande, and you got exactly what you were promised. Don't be upset that other people got the same thing for less, you got this skin for a fair price, and that should be enough for you.
Freeze Mill Mage (Saviors of Uldum edition)
Thanks for the comment :)
Freeze Mill Mage (Saviors of Uldum edition)
As you would expect with a combo deck, it gets absolutely destroyed by aggro 80+% of the time, and absolutely destroys control and other combo decks 80+% of the time.
Elemental shaman and mage decks
How will you use Chenvaala, will you play it on 3 hoping it sticks to cast three spells on 4, or do you wait for a later turn to combo it in one go with Apprentice, so on a juicy turn 5 you play SA+Chen+(infinite amount of spells)+Evocation+Cyclone+couple of 5-5s and see your opponent conceide on turn 6.
If you add the spell that adds the 2 0-2 taunts you might also use the Sea Giant which then at the end of your train are probably at 0-cost if your opponent also has some minions on the board still. Not very likely due to all your spells cast, but just a thought. They are not elemental nor dragon though, but could be a free 8-8.
Descent of Dragons - Arena Preview
Great write up! I'm an all-over-the-place Hearthstone fan, from solo to Arena and everything in between, and it's nice to have some great insight on a mode I enjoy, thanks!
Ethereal Peddler
You missed your time to shine.
Darkmoon Faire
One of the cleanest, and best in the game.
Descent of Dragons - Arena Preview
I am pretty stoked for this iteration of Arena. The power levels are quite high. Wonder which of the commons will be the Bonemare hero of this cycle.
Descent of Dragons - Arena Preview
Thank you for this, will be useful at the beginning as we learn what to be wary of against each class.
Tales of the Deck - Alpha Testing
(Send me a message to get an alpha key)
Deep within the forest, there is a great battle. The nearby villagers look out to it on the horizon. It could not be ignored, for the clashes of steel taint the night, and the crisp glow of the arcane paint the shadows. They fear. Not for what is happening, but for what's about to come.
Our heroes are locked in combat against the swarm of the Widow. Their focus cannot be broken as they brave forward. Had it broken the signs would have been clear. The once tranquil forest has become restless. As the leaves have burned and the trees fallen from the conflict, the spirit of the forest rises to defend itself. The earth shakes violently as the forest uproots.
Our heroes are in peril...
Introducing 3 new bosses from the heart of the forest. The Treeant and the Moon Oak have risen up against you. And there is another. It is everywhere, and it is all things around you. Be wary brave heroes, for the forest fights back!
Updated to Game Client v0.1.1
- Introducing 3 new bosses!
- The "end turn" button will skip the discard phase if you have no cards in hand.
- There is a button to return to the main menu from the victory or defeat screen.
- Game client no longer pauses when in the background.
- Fixed a bug where battle animations were not spawning at a characters position.
- The deck editor respects the character limits for deck name and description.