I find it funny that every single post upset by the lack of compensation for the people who already owned Tyrande is getting downvoted into oblivion. Here, on Reddit, everywhere. You have to add a 'I'm glad you guys are getting her too' disclaimer to any post that touches this subject or else you're just gonna get spammed with red arrows. I think this shows how small of a minority the Tyrande owners actually are, in which case it really boggles my mind, why not offer a compensation in the first place? When I heard that Tyrande will be free with the arrival of a new $10 hero, I honestly thought Sylvanas will be given for those that don't apply, but hey apparently not.
On one hand I really am glad more people will be able to switch out of Anduin, as I don't give two hoots about exclusivity. But on the other hand, I do feel like I earned her: by being a long-time customer, paying attention to Hearthstone-related news, and spending a full two hours learning and troubleshooting the process of getting her since I was not part of the eligible countries either. Others got Tyrande by buying an overpriced code off eBay and whatever too. It's really, really not that far-fetched to want this effort to be acknowledged, and I'm sure more people would be able to sympathize with this situation if they didn't see any criticism of it as selfishness and entitlement, which in most cases it certainly is not.
Then again at the end of the day we're still all arguing about .jpg's, so what do I know.
The effort was acknowledged, though? You got to use this portrait while others could not. For over 3 years you got to use a skin that wasn't available for others. It is only now that this also becoming available for others again, and again for only a limited time (I assume) so in future there will be people who own the skin and people who don't.
I do understand that people that already own the skin feel like others are getting something for free here while they are not, but I think they are forgetting that they had something for years which others could not optain but maybe really wanted. As it was stated before in this thread blizz apparently never claimed that Tyrande never came back(I never checked that though, only relying on others), so one can't really argue that they lied or tricked people and therefore should compensate with packs, a different version of a existing skin or whatever(maybe a little "I play this game longer than you" button to add to your side of the board? ^^)
On the other hand I would not have a problem if they gave you guys free packs, but we know how blizz feels about giving packs away for free... But that is another topic.
In conclusion I think that people who already own tyrande should try to remember that they had access to a cosmetic that others could not obtain, which is apparently really important for some people, for three years. That is a good thing you guys had. However things always change, the demand for tyrande was high and blizzard decided to give a lot of people what they want but could get before(for different reasons). So nowothers get to enjoy this too, which means that you might feel a little less exclusive about owning that portrait now, but on the other hand a lot of people will be really happy to be able to play with her in the future(like me :D)
Whao is your wincondition? You may edge out a few wins against aggro or combo, with your Albatrosses, but slower control decks will still be able to clear the birds, till you fall into exhaustion. Why not add an Academic Espionage or a Waxadred, to (if it proves necessary) help against exhaustion? You have a lot of draw, so it could work.
Hungry albatrosses that hordes around your ship with "Gaaaaarkk, Gaaarks", while you are trying to observe what kind of enemy you are facing of.
"Are these clouds? No planes !? NO OMG THEY ARE FREAKING ALBATROSSES !!!"
@Farfelee Well, they are more like seagulls since albatrosses hunt alone but that's blizzard's missed call not yours so I am giving the deck +1 which is what I can give most. Damn, even image is a seagull not an albatross. Look that silly bird ...
I must admit that I am interested in this discussion mainly because of its philosophic aspect. I don't give a damn about me or anyone else owning Tyrande. So I've explained the problem to my girlfriend and we tried to solve it from a moralist point of view. Here's what we concluded:
People should focus on themselves. That means, there WAS a "cost" for obtaining the original Tyrande, no matter how big or small. But OP among other players deemed this cost worth the reward at the time. And this is where the discussion should end. The fact that somebody else gets his or her hands on the same reward for less or no cost is irrelevant to your own experience. You can still enjoy your skin. Other people don't directly influence you in a negative way.
My girlfriend related to the Tyrande-issue with a story from school: there was a pupil who was allowed to leave early once a week (don't know why). Another pupil went forth and asked the prinicipal to be allowed to leave early as well - that's just fine, everybody can plead for equal rights. But when the second pupil was rejected (probably because nr. 1 had reasons nr. 2 couldn't provide), nr. 2 then asked to strip nr. 1 from their privilege to reinstate equality. And this is not okay. As long as nr. 2 isn't directly or indirectly harmed by nr. 1s privilege, nr. 2 may try to get it for his/herself, but should refrain from trying to pull down nr. 1.
OP repeated several times he is angry at blizzard and happy for other people getting Tyrande, I didn't miss that. So there's no actively trying to pull someone else down. But, and that's my whole point, as long as there's no downside in the new deal for you, there's no base for a complaint. Tyrande was worth it at the time you paid for her and that's it. I can understand and I do respect your frustration and your decision to not longer support Blizzard with real money because of this, but I've come to a different conclusion for myself. Thanks for raising the issue to my attention in the first place though, I gained something from this discussion, too.
OP and others deemed the cost worth the reward at the time because of the fear of missing out, which is a popular thing in Blizzard games that they love to take advantage of. Just because they didn't outright say Tyrande will never be available again doesn't mean the implication was not there, hence why some feel either manipulated or seen as nothing more than a product because of this decision (yes they did say the opposite, but that was a little bit later to my recollection). Like ShadowsOfSense said, people chose to go through this effort and I agree, but being part of a minority that gets glossed over does make one feel like they are being left out. And it's hilarious how ironic it is.
The thing about philosophy it's that it's a little bit fickle though, because you can just create any story with a tangent that supports your argument no matter how ridiculous it might get: "it doesn't affect you what Epstein did in his off-time, so there's no base for a complaint" and we'd just go around in circles getting nowhere. But for argument's sake, in your girlfriend's example I'd say the reason behind Pupil Nr. 1's privilege would make or break Pupil Nr. 2's case. If that privilege was because of a medical condition that needed weekly check-ups, then it's completely fine and 2 is an asshole for trying to deny that. But if that privilege was because of nepotism so Pupil Nr. 1 can go home and play video games while they're laughing at the peasants who have to "go to school" then Nr. 2 is fully right in trying to deny that, because of fairness. And fairness does have some tangents to this whole argument after all, albeit a bit muddled since both sides consider their side to be the fair one.
I don't get why these new scrubs are downvoting you, because this is so true, blizzard is super shitty for doing stuff like this.... We older players don't apparently mean shit to them, we made the game being kept online possible but no, they just want more and more, greedy shits, that's what they are. New players stop downvoting the truth!
I’ve been playing since GvG and I still think that this argument is kind of ridiculous. Like, I could understand it if it was some collectible you could get for accomplishing something at a certain time (like maybe being one of the first however many people to beat a difficult boss or something), but getting upset at them bringing back monthly cardbacks and other similar things really doesn’t make sense to me.
The thing is, the things that they’re bringing back are little more than participation trophies. For Tyrande you only needed to do a free trial, and for the monthlies you just needed to get to rank 20/win 5 ranked games (depending on when it was). Waving around a participation trophy as proof that you were there is just that, proof that you were there. Not that you actually accomplished anything interesting, just that you decided to play the game that month.
For the most part the people I see getting upset are the same people that are trying to argue that the monthly cardbacks are some kind of achievement, they really aren’t. These people need to just stop trying to act superior to newer players
well, you completely misunderstand or I express things wrongly to make you misunderstand.
I'm not acting superior to newer players. I'm trying to plot a route for them. I feel like I'm being tricked and decided to not support them anymore so I'm trying to explain why I decided to do this with my reasons to people who might buy something from Blizzard just because they are time limited. I just warned them to not make the mistake I do and suggesting to not buy anything just because they are time limited.
Is it really trying to act superior to newer players or giving suggestions to newer players who might be tricked ?
That's why I am saying that people are willingly refuse everything here. I am so friendly towards who doesn't own the skin but they pretend like I am attacking them.
I am saying them "Live long", They are answering me as "DIE INSECT" and the end of the day I am the selfish one while they are "The Man".
I must admit that I am interested in this discussion mainly because of its philosophic aspect. I don't give a damn about me or anyone else owning Tyrande. So I've explained the problem to my girlfriend and we tried to solve it from a moralist point of view. Here's what we concluded:
People should focus on themselves. That means, there WAS a "cost" for obtaining the original Tyrande, no matter how big or small. But OP among other players deemed this cost worth the reward at the time. And this is where the discussion should end. The fact that somebody else gets his or her hands on the same reward for less or no cost is irrelevant to your own experience. You can still enjoy your skin. Other people don't directly influence you in a negative way.
My girlfriend related to the Tyrande-issue with a story from school: there was a pupil who was allowed to leave early once a week (don't know why). Another pupil went forth and asked the prinicipal to be allowed to leave early as well - that's just fine, everybody can plead for equal rights. But when the second pupil was rejected (probably because nr. 1 had reasons nr. 2 couldn't provide), nr. 2 then asked to strip nr. 1 from their privilege to reinstate equality. And this is not okay. As long as nr. 2 isn't directly or indirectly harmed by nr. 1s privilege, nr. 2 may try to get it for his/herself, but should refrain from trying to pull down nr. 1.
OP repeated several times he is angry at blizzard and happy for other people getting Tyrande, I didn't miss that. So there's no actively trying to pull someone else down. But, and that's my whole point, as long as there's no downside in the new deal for you, there's no base for a complaint. Tyrande was worth it at the time you paid for her and that's it. I can understand and I do respect your frustration and your decision to not longer support Blizzard with real money because of this, but I've come to a different conclusion for myself. Thanks for raising the issue to my attention in the first place though, I gained something from this discussion, too.
I'm glad that you can gain something from the discussion.
I will keep suggesting people to not support Hearthstone anyways. I care for people's thoughts who doesn't attack directly I am just being toxic if they attack directly to me while I am addressing Hearthstone/Blizzard team. I have begun the thread as even I didn't support Hearthstone/Blizzard since Ragnaros and won't support anymore after this move. That's the only case here. I have explained myself enough to people that claims I'm selfish. I don't really care their thoughts anymore but comments like this and some others above are really important to me. They might understand this "He absolutely care just people who own the skin." but it isn't like that. People with some emphathy in them are obvious here.
They should evaluate their standards of judgement again. They all think justice and equality are same things. I have even shared an image just because of that.
I've said that in my OP and wanted to repeat again, The thing that you think is easy might not be that easy to anyone. Ok, I didn't give up on something to play on that month or getting to those skin but even it is like that, it won't change the truth; You don't know that I gave up on something to be able to obtain them or not. I might be given up to play other games in order to play hearthstone in that month or might be taken to be arrested by faking my adress etc. (I know that's silly but the point here is not that). You can't know. I also understand that I can't know why you couldn't own the skin with the same way but I am already not attacking anyone who doesn't own the skin. I am adressing Blizzard. Not them.
For whom thinks I use pompous language; bla bla Something Something addressing blizzard here not you something .
I must admit that I am interested in this discussion mainly because of its philosophic aspect. I don't give a damn about me or anyone else owning Tyrande. So I've explained the problem to my girlfriend and we tried to solve it from a moralist point of view. Here's what we concluded:
People should focus on themselves. That means, there WAS a "cost" for obtaining the original Tyrande, no matter how big or small. But OP among other players deemed this cost worth the reward at the time. And this is where the discussion should end. The fact that somebody else gets his or her hands on the same reward for less or no cost is irrelevant to your own experience. You can still enjoy your skin. Other people don't directly influence you in a negative way.
My girlfriend related to the Tyrande-issue with a story from school: there was a pupil who was allowed to leave early once a week (don't know why). Another pupil went forth and asked the prinicipal to be allowed to leave early as well - that's just fine, everybody can plead for equal rights. But when the second pupil was rejected (probably because nr. 1 had reasons nr. 2 couldn't provide), nr. 2 then asked to strip nr. 1 from their privilege to reinstate equality. And this is not okay. As long as nr. 2 isn't directly or indirectly harmed by nr. 1s privilege, nr. 2 may try to get it for his/herself, but should refrain from trying to pull down nr. 1.
OP repeated several times he is angry at blizzard and happy for other people getting Tyrande, I didn't miss that. So there's no actively trying to pull someone else down. But, and that's my whole point, as long as there's no downside in the new deal for you, there's no base for a complaint. Tyrande was worth it at the time you paid for her and that's it. I can understand and I do respect your frustration and your decision to not longer support Blizzard with real money because of this, but I've come to a different conclusion for myself. Thanks for raising the issue to my attention in the first place though, I gained something from this discussion, too.
OP’s base for complaint (which was proven wrong btw, but theoretically speaking) is that the seller (Blizzard) tricked OP by persuading them to buy the product via false advertising (that the product wouldn’t come back for free). It’s a reasonable claim, but as I said, not applicable here.
Wow, even though I voted on every single card, I'm not even one of the hundred runner-ups. So I'm a loser 105 times over, sums up my life pretty well :D
I must admit that I am interested in this discussion mainly because of its philosophic aspect. I don't give a damn about me or anyone else owning Tyrande. So I've explained the problem to my girlfriend and we tried to solve it from a moralist point of view. Here's what we concluded:
People should focus on themselves. That means, there WAS a "cost" for obtaining the original Tyrande, no matter how big or small. But OP among other players deemed this cost worth the reward at the time. And this is where the discussion should end. The fact that somebody else gets his or her hands on the same reward for less or no cost is irrelevant to your own experience. You can still enjoy your skin. Other people don't directly influence you in a negative way.
My girlfriend related to the Tyrande-issue with a story from school: there was a pupil who was allowed to leave early once a week (don't know why). Another pupil went forth and asked the prinicipal to be allowed to leave early as well - that's just fine, everybody can plead for equal rights. But when the second pupil was rejected (probably because nr. 1 had reasons nr. 2 couldn't provide), nr. 2 then asked to strip nr. 1 from their privilege to reinstate equality. And this is not okay. As long as nr. 2 isn't directly or indirectly harmed by nr. 1s privilege, nr. 2 may try to get it for his/herself, but should refrain from trying to pull down nr. 1.
OP repeated several times he is angry at blizzard and happy for other people getting Tyrande, I didn't miss that. So there's no actively trying to pull someone else down. But, and that's my whole point, as long as there's no downside in the new deal for you, there's no base for a complaint. Tyrande was worth it at the time you paid for her and that's it. I can understand and I do respect your frustration and your decision to not longer support Blizzard with real money because of this, but I've come to a different conclusion for myself. Thanks for raising the issue to my attention in the first place though, I gained something from this discussion, too.
Actually a shaman dragon/murloc variant might pop up, you run angler, and slurper anyway in most shaman decks you are already running 4 murlocs, run the dragons and get a decent 5 drop in the deck to buff or generate more murlocs..
Murloc shaman ran some late game anyway sometimes the late game might be the dragons..
I don't get why these new scrubs are downvoting you, because this is so true, blizzard is super shitty for doing stuff like this.... We older players don't apparently mean shit to them, we made the game being kept online possible but no, they just want more and more, greedy shits, that's what they are. New players stop downvoting the truth!
I’ve been playing since GvG and I still think that this argument is kind of ridiculous. Like, I could understand it if it was some collectible you could get for accomplishing something at a certain time (like maybe being one of the first however many people to beat a difficult boss or something), but getting upset at them bringing back monthly cardbacks and other similar things really doesn’t make sense to me.
The thing is, the things that they’re bringing back are little more than participation trophies. For Tyrande you only needed to do a free trial, and for the monthlies you just needed to get to rank 20/win 5 ranked games (depending on when it was). Waving around a participation trophy as proof that you were there is just that, proof that you were there. Not that you actually accomplished anything interesting, just that you decided to play the game that month.
For the most part the people I see getting upset are the same people that are trying to argue that the monthly cardbacks are some kind of achievement, they really aren’t. These people need to just stop trying to act superior to newer players
But the value of veterans or exclusivity is also in how hard something is/was to earn.
Something that just requires you to be in the right place at the right time could FEEL exclusive, but it is NOT VALUABLE at all.
I repeat, while i understand in principle, we should also look at the substance of things. Tyrande was not hard to earn, she was basically free, it has no golden age trait (ie beta players), so her value is little to none.
This is not 1k portraits given for free to everyone.
limited-time means "impossible to earn anymore" no matter how easy it was to obtain so "Impossible to obtain now" makes it valuable. "was" from now.
1k portraits are meaningless. They are at lesser tier after basic ones. Everyone will obtain those in time.
And yes; In my eyes, the most valuable piece of my collection is golden Gelbin Mekkatorque but it is not guaranteed that blizzard won't give it away to keep others in the game after Ragnaros card back and Tyrande Skin. The point is this already.
Also Gelbin Mekkatorque also wasn't hard to obtain but it doesn't change the truth that it is one of the rarest cards of the game with Golden Elite Tauren Chieftain. People might not give value for them but it's valuable for me and I'm sad that I couldn't obtain Elite Tauren Chieftain because Blizzcon 2013 was in a different country but never whined about it.
Your DoD Insta-crafts
My insta-crafts are always the cards that I think will be prevalent in the meta. Which would mean the following for DoD:
1) Kronx Dragonhoof
2) Frizz Kindleroost
3) Dragonqueen Alexstrasza
As for cards that I'm personally interested in which I might craft:
1) Dragonrider Talritha (I'll try to make Dragon Paladin work)
2) Dragonbane (Hero Power Hunter looks interesting)
3) Ancharrr (Pirate Warrior!)
About Tyrande's coming back and The value Blizzard gives older players( WARNING: SALT THREAD ! )
The effort was acknowledged, though? You got to use this portrait while others could not. For over 3 years you got to use a skin that wasn't available for others. It is only now that this also becoming available for others again, and again for only a limited time (I assume) so in future there will be people who own the skin and people who don't.
I do understand that people that already own the skin feel like others are getting something for free here while they are not, but I think they are forgetting that they had something for years which others could not optain but maybe really wanted. As it was stated before in this thread blizz apparently never claimed that Tyrande never came back(I never checked that though, only relying on others), so one can't really argue that they lied or tricked people and therefore should compensate with packs, a different version of a existing skin or whatever(maybe a little "I play this game longer than you" button to add to your side of the board? ^^)
On the other hand I would not have a problem if they gave you guys free packs, but we know how blizz feels about giving packs away for free... But that is another topic.
In conclusion I think that people who already own tyrande should try to remember that they had access to a cosmetic that others could not obtain, which is apparently really important for some people, for three years. That is a good thing you guys had. However things always change, the demand for tyrande was high and blizzard decided to give a lot of people what they want but could get before(for different reasons). So nowothers get to enjoy this too, which means that you might feel a little less exclusive about owning that portrait now, but on the other hand a lot of people will be really happy to be able to play with her in the future(like me :D)
New Priest Spell - Breath of the Infinite
Will run this in any control priest as it's just a good board clear even without the dragon synergy.
ALBATROSS!!!
Whao is your wincondition? You may edge out a few wins against aggro or combo, with your Albatrosses, but slower control decks will still be able to clear the birds, till you fall into exhaustion. Why not add an Academic Espionage or a Waxadred, to (if it proves necessary) help against exhaustion? You have a lot of draw, so it could work.
ALBATROSS!!!
don't worry and don't feel old, feel wise and experienced ;)
ALBATROSS!!!
There goes my hope someone would get the reference. Granted, it's a pretty old one.
Great. Now I feel old myself, again. ;(
The Final Descent of Dragons Reveal Stream - 47 New Cards! LIVE COVERAGE
I feel like they're basically just doing it as a sly nod towards the elusive push, really. Once could be coincidence, twice feels planned.
ALBATROSS!!!
Hungry albatrosses that hordes around your ship with "Gaaaaarkk, Gaaarks", while you are trying to observe what kind of enemy you are facing of.
"Are these clouds? No planes !? NO OMG THEY ARE FREAKING ALBATROSSES !!!"
@Farfelee Well, they are more like seagulls since albatrosses hunt alone but that's blizzard's missed call not yours so I am giving the deck +1 which is what I can give most. Damn, even image is a seagull not an albatross. Look that silly bird ...
New Combo(?)
Uhh guys, shadowy figure only works on deathrattle minions, so can't work with mogu..
About Tyrande's coming back and The value Blizzard gives older players( WARNING: SALT THREAD ! )
OP and others deemed the cost worth the reward at the time because of the fear of missing out, which is a popular thing in Blizzard games that they love to take advantage of. Just because they didn't outright say Tyrande will never be available again doesn't mean the implication was not there, hence why some feel either manipulated or seen as nothing more than a product because of this decision (yes they did say the opposite, but that was a little bit later to my recollection). Like ShadowsOfSense said, people chose to go through this effort and I agree, but being part of a minority that gets glossed over does make one feel like they are being left out. And it's hilarious how ironic it is.
The thing about philosophy it's that it's a little bit fickle though, because you can just create any story with a tangent that supports your argument no matter how ridiculous it might get: "it doesn't affect you what Epstein did in his off-time, so there's no base for a complaint" and we'd just go around in circles getting nowhere. But for argument's sake, in your girlfriend's example I'd say the reason behind Pupil Nr. 1's privilege would make or break Pupil Nr. 2's case. If that privilege was because of a medical condition that needed weekly check-ups, then it's completely fine and 2 is an asshole for trying to deny that. But if that privilege was because of nepotism so Pupil Nr. 1 can go home and play video games while they're laughing at the peasants who have to "go to school" then Nr. 2 is fully right in trying to deny that, because of fairness. And fairness does have some tangents to this whole argument after all, albeit a bit muddled since both sides consider their side to be the fair one.
[Game] Card Treasure Hunt (The Resurrection Attempt)
C'mon guys it is not so hard. I want to guess so answer it :D
New Neutral Minion - Grizzled Wizard
You really need Youthful Brewmaster for that ? I mean, just play both copies at 4 mana :D
Ah and, giving rogue hp to priest might be funny and easier in rogue because of more bounces but best is giving ridiculous totems to anyone :D
About Tyrande's coming back and The value Blizzard gives older players( WARNING: SALT THREAD ! )
well, you completely misunderstand or I express things wrongly to make you misunderstand.
I'm not acting superior to newer players. I'm trying to plot a route for them. I feel like I'm being tricked and decided to not support them anymore so I'm trying to explain why I decided to do this with my reasons to people who might buy something from Blizzard just because they are time limited. I just warned them to not make the mistake I do and suggesting to not buy anything just because they are time limited.
Is it really trying to act superior to newer players or giving suggestions to newer players who might be tricked ?
That's why I am saying that people are willingly refuse everything here. I am so friendly towards who doesn't own the skin but they pretend like I am attacking them.
I am saying them "Live long", They are answering me as "DIE INSECT" and the end of the day I am the selfish one while they are "The Man".
I'm glad that you can gain something from the discussion.
I will keep suggesting people to not support Hearthstone anyways. I care for people's thoughts who doesn't attack directly I am just being toxic if they attack directly to me while I am addressing Hearthstone/Blizzard team. I have begun the thread as even I didn't support Hearthstone/Blizzard since Ragnaros and won't support anymore after this move. That's the only case here. I have explained myself enough to people that claims I'm selfish. I don't really care their thoughts anymore but comments like this and some others above are really important to me. They might understand this "He absolutely care just people who own the skin." but it isn't like that. People with some emphathy in them are obvious here.
They should evaluate their standards of judgement again. They all think justice and equality are same things. I have even shared an image just because of that.
I've said that in my OP and wanted to repeat again, The thing that you think is easy might not be that easy to anyone. Ok, I didn't give up on something to play on that month or getting to those skin but even it is like that, it won't change the truth; You don't know that I gave up on something to be able to obtain them or not. I might be given up to play other games in order to play hearthstone in that month or might be taken to be arrested by faking my adress etc. (I know that's silly but the point here is not that). You can't know. I also understand that I can't know why you couldn't own the skin with the same way but I am already not attacking anyone who doesn't own the skin. I am adressing Blizzard. Not them.
For whom thinks I use pompous language; bla bla Something Something addressing blizzard here not you something .
Card Reveals - Faceless Corruptor & Murozond (Priest Legendary)
Yeah, you right. My bad on that one - I guess I tunnelled on the Priest legendary. Will have to revise my thoughts on it
ALBATROSS!!!
What flavor is it?
About Tyrande's coming back and The value Blizzard gives older players( WARNING: SALT THREAD ! )
OP’s base for complaint (which was proven wrong btw, but theoretically speaking) is that the seller (Blizzard) tricked OP by persuading them to buy the product via false advertising (that the product wouldn’t come back for free). It’s a reasonable claim, but as I said, not applicable here.
Also, pupil nr. 2 sounds like an asshole
Descent of Dragons Giveaway Results
Wow, even though I voted on every single card, I'm not even one of the hundred runner-ups. So I'm a loser 105 times over, sums up my life pretty well :D
New Neutral Minion - Grizzled Wizard
OMG I've just got an idea...
What happens if you play it twice in a turn?
Grizzled Wizard + Youthful Brewmaster into Grizzled Wizard , could be a sick tech
About Tyrande's coming back and The value Blizzard gives older players( WARNING: SALT THREAD ! )
I must admit that I am interested in this discussion mainly because of its philosophic aspect. I don't give a damn about me or anyone else owning Tyrande. So I've explained the problem to my girlfriend and we tried to solve it from a moralist point of view. Here's what we concluded:
People should focus on themselves. That means, there WAS a "cost" for obtaining the original Tyrande, no matter how big or small. But OP among other players deemed this cost worth the reward at the time. And this is where the discussion should end. The fact that somebody else gets his or her hands on the same reward for less or no cost is irrelevant to your own experience. You can still enjoy your skin. Other people don't directly influence you in a negative way.
My girlfriend related to the Tyrande-issue with a story from school: there was a pupil who was allowed to leave early once a week (don't know why). Another pupil went forth and asked the prinicipal to be allowed to leave early as well - that's just fine, everybody can plead for equal rights. But when the second pupil was rejected (probably because nr. 1 had reasons nr. 2 couldn't provide), nr. 2 then asked to strip nr. 1 from their privilege to reinstate equality. And this is not okay. As long as nr. 2 isn't directly or indirectly harmed by nr. 1s privilege, nr. 2 may try to get it for his/herself, but should refrain from trying to pull down nr. 1.
OP repeated several times he is angry at blizzard and happy for other people getting Tyrande, I didn't miss that. So there's no actively trying to pull someone else down. But, and that's my whole point, as long as there's no downside in the new deal for you, there's no base for a complaint. Tyrande was worth it at the time you paid for her and that's it. I can understand and I do respect your frustration and your decision to not longer support Blizzard with real money because of this, but I've come to a different conclusion for myself. Thanks for raising the issue to my attention in the first place though, I gained something from this discussion, too.
Best answers (preferably spells) to wide boards?
We all know hunters struggle to clear wide boards though Unleash the Hounds makes them useful for lethals..
My question is what answers wide boards the best in your opinion?
Assuming a control/reno deck, is Explosive Shot woth it?
Murloc wins (T1 lethal)
Help me understand this: Tip the Scales is an 8mana card, there is no prismatic lens or any other cost reduction, so how do you OTK on turn 1?
New Neutral Minion - Skyfin
Actually a shaman dragon/murloc variant might pop up, you run angler, and slurper anyway in most shaman decks you are already running 4 murlocs, run the dragons and get a decent 5 drop in the deck to buff or generate more murlocs..
Murloc shaman ran some late game anyway sometimes the late game might be the dragons..
About Tyrande's coming back and The value Blizzard gives older players( WARNING: SALT THREAD ! )
I’ve been playing since GvG and I still think that this argument is kind of ridiculous. Like, I could understand it if it was some collectible you could get for accomplishing something at a certain time (like maybe being one of the first however many people to beat a difficult boss or something), but getting upset at them bringing back monthly cardbacks and other similar things really doesn’t make sense to me.
The thing is, the things that they’re bringing back are little more than participation trophies. For Tyrande you only needed to do a free trial, and for the monthlies you just needed to get to rank 20/win 5 ranked games (depending on when it was). Waving around a participation trophy as proof that you were there is just that, proof that you were there. Not that you actually accomplished anything interesting, just that you decided to play the game that month.
For the most part the people I see getting upset are the same people that are trying to argue that the monthly cardbacks are some kind of achievement, they really aren’t. These people need to just stop trying to act superior to newer players
Faceless Corruptor
Zoo has some handbuff tools, but not much. Might focus more on that to abuse the power of this guy.
Imagine you buffed it a little and suddenly you have 2 of 7/6 body with rush for 5 mana, huge tempo swings! I definitely see myself try it out in Zoo.
About Tyrande's coming back and The value Blizzard gives older players( WARNING: SALT THREAD ! )
limited-time means "impossible to earn anymore" no matter how easy it was to obtain so "Impossible to obtain now" makes it valuable. "was" from now.
1k portraits are meaningless. They are at lesser tier after basic ones. Everyone will obtain those in time.
And yes; In my eyes, the most valuable piece of my collection is golden Gelbin Mekkatorque but it is not guaranteed that blizzard won't give it away to keep others in the game after Ragnaros card back and Tyrande Skin. The point is this already.
Also Gelbin Mekkatorque also wasn't hard to obtain but it doesn't change the truth that it is one of the rarest cards of the game with Golden Elite Tauren Chieftain. People might not give value for them but it's valuable for me and I'm sad that I couldn't obtain Elite Tauren Chieftain because Blizzcon 2013 was in a different country but never whined about it.