With Faceless Manipulator I think she is unnecessary. I have played around quite a lot with Maly Hunter, and am going to give this version a go. It looks fun!
I think the problem is that you're going in two different directions. The deck would be stronger if you picked one and ran with it.
But The Storm Bringer is still a weak card even after the buff. Any version of this deck is probably better without it. If you want to take advantage of having a lot of tokens, that's what Bloodlust is for.
I disagree. Bloodlust falls into the same trap that savage roar does (aside from being a worse version of the latter). Which is that it's game plan projects an aggro mentality and thus will encourage players to play more taunts. StormBringer does have the same "token generation feel" that aggro decks do, but only for the purposes of generating a large wide board. It also has the benefit of actually threatening a warrior control meta, where bloodlust-style decks generally don't unless they get super lucky and the warrior doesn't draw any aoe.
For what it's worth, I'm running a version right now that uses both Hagatha's in addition to a few other midrange cards to generate tokens but still keep the opponent on the back foot.
Would you mind sharing your deck with me, please? I only got back into shaman decks quite recently so really just still learning. Everything helps a little.
Also Bloodlust isn't great on it's own, but it can put a lot of damage on the board when used in tandem with electra, it often wins me games at least. I mean if we're talking about warrior, your best chance there is to beat them very fast. Once they start to armour up you've pretty much got no chance of killing them with bloodlust.
Today playing matches on ladder during most of my free time I have won 80 gold. At 3 wins per 10 gold, that means that I have won a total of 24 matches today.
I started playing the game today at rank 9. After winning 24 matches I am still at rank 9.
I think the problem is that you're going in two different directions. The deck would be stronger if you picked one and ran with it.
But The Storm Bringer is still a weak card even after the buff. Any version of this deck is probably better without it. If you want to take advantage of having a lot of tokens, that's what Bloodlust is for.
I disagree. Bloodlust falls into the same trap that savage roar does (aside from being a worse version of the latter). Which is that it's game plan projects an aggro mentality and thus will encourage players to play more taunts. StormBringer does have the same "token generation feel" that aggro decks do, but only for the purposes of generating a large wide board. It also has the benefit of actually threatening a warrior control meta, where bloodlust-style decks generally don't unless they get super lucky and the warrior doesn't draw any aoe.
For what it's worth, I'm running a version right now that uses both Hagatha's in addition to a few other midrange cards to generate tokens but still keep the opponent on the back foot.
These guys provide, by far, the best written articles on the most effective decks out there. If you want to see what the competition is running, and what counters them, check them out.
Very cool skin but it's unfortunate that it is yet another one locked behind a paywall. I would have loved to have seen them do a hero skin like this as one of the rewards from the Dalaran Heist adventure. Seems like a much more exciting reward for completing the whole thing than just getting a cardback and a golden classic pack.
I've edited the OP as well to say a little bit more about the deck and give props to the guy that originally give me the idea to do dual type decks (the first one was a biomech hunter that I still play now)
I think the problem is that you're going in two different directions. The deck would be stronger if you picked one and ran with it.
But The Storm Bringer is still a weak card even after the buff. Any version of this deck is probably better without it. If you want to take advantage of having a lot of tokens, that's what Bloodlust is for.
You might consider 2x Voltaic Burst and only 1x Feral Spirit. I don't see the 2/3 taunts being that relevant, and the price is higher to get them. You could voltaic burst with a thunderhead into a storm bringer as early as turn 7. Whereas feral spirit is basically just some relatively weak defenses. But I'm not an expert, so take this with a grain of salt.
@sto650 Thanks. I will give this a shot. it does make sense really.
If I was going to add anything else though, it would probably be the frogs that draw spells, but I need to test more and see if draw is an issue or not. I just put the Ferals in to test really as they fit the token side of things and have overload, plus sometimes a couple of early game taunts can totally d-rail an aggro deck.
I may end up taking both out, especially if frogs are to be added.
Thing is I feel you need to have the exact spells in your deck to make the frog totems work so you can draw out all your spells reliably to thin the deck.
@FortyDust
(EDIT: I misread your Bloodlust bit. I thought you were asking me what it was for. Ha ha, I like to run both of these spells in the right deck. the bringer is amazing as well. it can low roll on you, but then again this is why it's not like the only win condition in the deck. my deck can win many ways)
The idea was to marry a couple of things together, and I can say that it does work as it's not the first deck it's been done in. I do appreciate what you're saying though and will take it on board. I understand the Bringer is not going to be top tier competitively, but I'm not a competitive player, I prefer to play weird decks that people don't see coming, but can still do some powerful things and win games.
If I wanted it to be high end in that regard I'd have built it totally differently. I should have probably mentioned that I know that it's not gonna be tier 1 or anything.
Also the Bloodlust is to buff the board and kill the opponent. Electra Bloodlust is huge. sometimes you're just left with tokens on board and then you buff them and win. The storm Bringer isn't the win condition, it's more of a wild card and ruse. I can easily transform some tokens and make my opponent waste a ton of resources if it high rolls, if not then it's fine as that's just part of the game really.
But yeah, one of the main themes of the deck is buffing stuff, whether it be through triple zentimo buffs, magnetized big boys or a board of tokens left over that gets double blood lusted with Electra.
Like I say though, the deck is still in it's infancy really, as I usually go for the mech/murloc route as it's just way more powerful really. I am just trying something different with this deck.
I reckon most likely I will end up adding frogs to have some kind of draw, but other than that I don't think I'll end up changing much.
PS: I was running the storm bringer before the buff as well, ha ha. It just suits my playstyle a lot really. I like a bit of mad RNG now and again. ha ha.
I hope maybe I helped you understand the deck a bit more. really though unless you know all the intricacies, it can look like a bit of mess, I can appreciate that.
I do appreciate any critique though as it does help me become a better deck builder. so thanks again.
First of all, getting to rank 8 after a few weeks of play is great! You should really be proud of such an accomplishment. I think you've got a lot of the basics down for playing the game. As another person already said, Trump's basic teachings are really helpful for understanding how to play the game and he gives lots of good advice for just about everything. He goes through all the hero powers and the related cards for each class. He teaches by using real matches with other anonymous players in ranked, which is pretty helpful since the examples couldn't be more "real life."
Some useful websites are:
https://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/
https://www.icy-veins.com/
https://www.metabomb.net/
The first link in the list, Hearthstone Top Decks, is my personal favorite because it has really well-written deck guides for each and every deck archetype and tournament players as well as other experts share their decks there, all categorized by deck archetype, of course! The write-ups are extremely detailed, including what cards can be substituted and with what, possible upgrades, advice about match-ups, etc.
Quote From GerritDeManI'm far from a violent person IRL, but sometimes the salt piles up so much that I just have to hit my desk or a pillow (sometimes multiple times). I wasn't proud when one day I punched my desk so hard that it resulted in clearly visible cracks. Honestly I hate that it can get to me that much in general. I really envy people who can completely keep calm after they are continuously plagued by terrible rng.
I am typically well-behaved, but I can get super salty if I get in a bad run of games and have been wound up enough to punch my desk as well. I have children and they have witnessed it once and I had to act like there was some valid reason to lose my shit while looking at pixels on my phone. Not good. I hate to admit that a bad run can really mess with my mood for a whole day! I need to learn how to take it easy...
Due to HearthPwn shutting down soon, I have moved this guide here on this forum. Out of Cards does not seem to have a Hearthstone Card Back Gallery Page or Guide that I can find on their website. I hope the Admins at Out of Cards will see this post but for now I hope this will help you all on how to get any missing card back in your collection. I do keep this link updated whenever a new card back is revealed. Below is the original post from HearthPwn...
(I don't know why HearthPwn haven't been updating their Card Back Gallery page.)
But if anyone is interested in seeing the "ENTIRE CARD BACK SET" and how to get them, I have a personal collection that everyone can look at, on GoogleDrive, at the following link...
Some are not as rendered as good as HearthPwn does it but the whole card back collection is there, I keep this link up to date.
Entire Card Back Set - Last Updated: June 3rd, 2019
Currently there are 118 card backs ever revealed. The document has a blue number on top of each card back representing the order of when the card back was announced (not the order it was added to the game), then card back image, then name of the card back, then how to get the card back, then the card back flavor text and then lastly if the card back can still be obtainable or not.
Also send an in-game friend request if you like too, my battle tag ID will show up on top. I'm a big card back collector but I'm also a casual player so I do not have every card back because I get stuck at curtain game modes/adventures or has never been to any official Blizzard esport events.
Ummmm if you havent seen them already, search for Hearthstone: Trump's Basic Teachings. Its a really nice intro to the basic mechanics and stuff of hearthstone
Thanks. Is there also a text based source you can recommend?
Yes! There is a way to sort decks by mode. The above link should provide you with only wild decks. You go to the filter standard called "Is standard?" and select "No."
Personally, I think they should change this filter. I talk about that on this on the forum listed below:
A post with all ideas
What about adding a sticky post to this board, so people can see what already has been suggested, is in work or has been rejected?
Also a notification symbol, which tells you if someone has answered to a topic you have been active, or which you're watching.
Cheers
Duwin's Malygos Hunter
With Faceless Manipulator I think she is unnecessary. I have played around quite a lot with Maly Hunter, and am going to give this version a go. It looks fun!
Support Hearthstone Masters Esports, Get a New Shaman Hero, Card Back, and Packs
I prefer 30 packs for 20 euro than 20 packs and a new hero and a new card back
SN1P-SN4P HUNTER MECH
Nice deck, I like it. Thanks man!
Do you pay for HSREPLAY Premium access?
I think about it. But maybe in the future.
Could use a 2nd pair of eyes, please.
Would you mind sharing your deck with me, please? I only got back into shaman decks quite recently so really just still learning. Everything helps a little.
Also Bloodlust isn't great on it's own, but it can put a lot of damage on the board when used in tandem with electra, it often wins me games at least. I mean if we're talking about warrior, your best chance there is to beat them very fast. Once they start to armour up you've pretty much got no chance of killing them with bloodlust.
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Today playing matches on ladder during most of my free time I have won 80 gold. At 3 wins per 10 gold, that means that I have won a total of 24 matches today.
I started playing the game today at rank 9. After winning 24 matches I am still at rank 9.
Didn't get a measly bonus star.
How to Use Amazon Coins to Purchase Cheaper Hearthstone Packs
Damn. I didn't even know there was an Amazon App Store. Thanks a lot, I'm excited.
Support Hearthstone Masters Esports, Get a New Shaman Hero, Card Back, and Packs
That's a pretty good value for 20 cards, a card back and a hero. That hero even looks nice.
Could use a 2nd pair of eyes, please.
I disagree. Bloodlust falls into the same trap that savage roar does (aside from being a worse version of the latter). Which is that it's game plan projects an aggro mentality and thus will encourage players to play more taunts. StormBringer does have the same "token generation feel" that aggro decks do, but only for the purposes of generating a large wide board. It also has the benefit of actually threatening a warrior control meta, where bloodlust-style decks generally don't unless they get super lucky and the warrior doesn't draw any aoe.
For what it's worth, I'm running a version right now that uses both Hagatha's in addition to a few other midrange cards to generate tokens but still keep the opponent on the back foot.
Basics of Hearthstone
https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/
These guys provide, by far, the best written articles on the most effective decks out there. If you want to see what the competition is running, and what counters them, check them out.
Support Hearthstone Masters Esports, Get a New Shaman Hero, Card Back, and Packs
Hope I get to try the new hero, but it would be even better if I could get it by completing something in the actual game... oh well.
MTG TV Series announced!
I can relate
Support Hearthstone Masters Esports, Get a New Shaman Hero, Card Back, and Packs
Very cool skin but it's unfortunate that it is yet another one locked behind a paywall. I would have loved to have seen them do a hero skin like this as one of the rewards from the Dalaran Heist adventure. Seems like a much more exciting reward for completing the whole thing than just getting a cardback and a golden classic pack.
Could use a 2nd pair of eyes, please.
I've edited the OP as well to say a little bit more about the deck and give props to the guy that originally give me the idea to do dual type decks (the first one was a biomech hunter that I still play now)
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The deck incomplete glitch is happening on PC and mobile.
Could use a 2nd pair of eyes, please.
@sto650
Thanks. I will give this a shot. it does make sense really.
If I was going to add anything else though, it would probably be the frogs that draw spells, but I need to test more and see if draw is an issue or not. I just put the Ferals in to test really as they fit the token side of things and have overload, plus sometimes a couple of early game taunts can totally d-rail an aggro deck.
I may end up taking both out, especially if frogs are to be added.
Thing is I feel you need to have the exact spells in your deck to make the frog totems work so you can draw out all your spells reliably to thin the deck.
@FortyDust
(EDIT: I misread your Bloodlust bit. I thought you were asking me what it was for. Ha ha, I like to run both of these spells in the right deck. the bringer is amazing as well. it can low roll on you, but then again this is why it's not like the only win condition in the deck. my deck can win many ways)
The idea was to marry a couple of things together, and I can say that it does work as it's not the first deck it's been done in. I do appreciate what you're saying though and will take it on board. I understand the Bringer is not going to be top tier competitively, but I'm not a competitive player, I prefer to play weird decks that people don't see coming, but can still do some powerful things and win games.
If I wanted it to be high end in that regard I'd have built it totally differently. I should have probably mentioned that I know that it's not gonna be tier 1 or anything.
Also the Bloodlust is to buff the board and kill the opponent. Electra Bloodlust is huge. sometimes you're just left with tokens on board and then you buff them and win. The storm Bringer isn't the win condition, it's more of a wild card and ruse. I can easily transform some tokens and make my opponent waste a ton of resources if it high rolls, if not then it's fine as that's just part of the game really.
But yeah, one of the main themes of the deck is buffing stuff, whether it be through triple zentimo buffs, magnetized big boys or a board of tokens left over that gets double blood lusted with Electra.
Like I say though, the deck is still in it's infancy really, as I usually go for the mech/murloc route as it's just way more powerful really. I am just trying something different with this deck.
I reckon most likely I will end up adding frogs to have some kind of draw, but other than that I don't think I'll end up changing much.
PS: I was running the storm bringer before the buff as well, ha ha. It just suits my playstyle a lot really. I like a bit of mad RNG now and again. ha ha.
I hope maybe I helped you understand the deck a bit more. really though unless you know all the intricacies, it can look like a bit of mess, I can appreciate that.
I do appreciate any critique though as it does help me become a better deck builder. so thanks again.
Basics of Hearthstone
First of all, getting to rank 8 after a few weeks of play is great! You should really be proud of such an accomplishment. I think you've got a lot of the basics down for playing the game. As another person already said, Trump's basic teachings are really helpful for understanding how to play the game and he gives lots of good advice for just about everything. He goes through all the hero powers and the related cards for each class. He teaches by using real matches with other anonymous players in ranked, which is pretty helpful since the examples couldn't be more "real life."
Some useful websites are:
https://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/
https://www.icy-veins.com/
https://www.metabomb.net/
The first link in the list, Hearthstone Top Decks, is my personal favorite because it has really well-written deck guides for each and every deck archetype and tournament players as well as other experts share their decks there, all categorized by deck archetype, of course! The write-ups are extremely detailed, including what cards can be substituted and with what, possible upgrades, advice about match-ups, etc.
I hope this is helpful!
Confess!
I am typically well-behaved, but I can get super salty if I get in a bad run of games and have been wound up enough to punch my desk as well. I have children and they have witnessed it once and I had to act like there was some valid reason to lose my shit while looking at pixels on my phone. Not good. I hate to admit that a bad run can really mess with my mood for a whole day! I need to learn how to take it easy...
Any plans on creating cardback gallery?
Due to HearthPwn shutting down soon, I have moved this guide here on this forum. Out of Cards does not seem to have a Hearthstone Card Back Gallery Page or Guide that I can find on their website. I hope the Admins at Out of Cards will see this post but for now I hope this will help you all on how to get any missing card back in your collection. I do keep this link updated whenever a new card back is revealed. Below is the original post from HearthPwn...
(I don't know why HearthPwn haven't been updating their Card Back Gallery page.)
But if anyone is interested in seeing the "ENTIRE CARD BACK SET" and how to get them, I have a personal collection that everyone can look at, on GoogleDrive, at the following link...
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1zyiCo83uYzkPA8m6qGQfhFBXLyzGKieN_35HC-zxUDo
Some are not as rendered as good as HearthPwn does it but the whole card back collection is there, I keep this link up to date.
Entire Card Back Set - Last Updated: June 3rd, 2019
Currently there are 118 card backs ever revealed. The document has a blue number on top of each card back representing the order of when the card back was announced (not the order it was added to the game), then card back image, then name of the card back, then how to get the card back, then the card back flavor text and then lastly if the card back can still be obtainable or not.
Also send an in-game friend request if you like too, my battle tag ID will show up on top. I'm a big card back collector but I'm also a casual player so I do not have every card back because I get stuck at curtain game modes/adventures or has never been to any official Blizzard esport events.
Can't update to new patch via Amazon App Store
yep, got it now, thanks.
Rolling Thunder | Sn1p-Sn4p Mech Shaman
Soul of the murloc replacement? Since I feel this card does nothing.
Basics of Hearthstone
https://www.reddit.com/r/competitivehs/wiki/resources
These are pretty helpful, kinda outdated but I found them useful
Wild decks?
https://outof.cards/hearthstone/decks/?is_standard=false
Yes! There is a way to sort decks by mode. The above link should provide you with only wild decks. You go to the filter standard called "Is standard?" and select "No."
Personally, I think they should change this filter. I talk about that on this on the forum listed below:
https://outof.cards/forums/out-of-cards/site-feedback-ideas/393-standard-or-wild-tags
Good luck to you.
Jambre's Token Mutate Shaman
I am currently trying it out and this deck is fun. I wonder if Snip Snap would be nice in here.
When Snip Snap gets drawn by Jepetto, will the Echo Copies be at 1 mana too?